Dangers of the Khawarij ideology of violence

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The Kharijite ideology is based upon the following evil tenets:

1. Declaring Muslims to be unbelievers.
2. Rejecting lawful obedience to the rulers.
3. Justifying violence against Muslims and innocent people.

The correct Islamic belief is that no Muslim can become an unbeliever due to his sins alone. A Muslim must explicitly disavow Islam in order to be properly considered an unbeliever.

At-Tahawi said:

وَلَا نُكَفِّرُ أَحَدًا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْقِبْلَةِ بِذَنْبٍ مَا لَمْ يَسْتَحِلَّهُ وَلَا نَقُولُ لَا يَضُرُّ مَعَ الْإِيمَانِ ذَنْبٌ لِمَنْ عَمِلَهُ
We do not excommunicate anyone who prays toward Mecca because of their sins as long as he does not consider them lawful, and we do not say sins do not harm the faith of those who commit them.

And he said:

وَلَا يَخْرُجُ الْعَبْدُ مِنَ الْإِيمَانِ إِلَّا بِجُحُودِ مَا أَدْخَلَهُ فِيهِ
A person does not leave faith except by disavowing what brought him into it.
Source: al-Aqīdah al-Ṭaḥāwiyyah

In contrast, the Kharijites charge other Muslims with unbelief due to their sins or perceived sins in order to justify their merciless and criminal behavior towards them.

Ibn Taymiyyah writes:

وَالْخَوَارِجُ هُمْ أَوَّلُ مَنْ كَفَّرَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ يُكَفِّرُونَ بِالذُّنُوبِ ، وَيُكَفِّرُونَ مَنْ خَالَفَهُمْ فِي بِدْعَتِهِمْ وَيَسْتَحِلُّونَ دَمَهُ وَمَالَهُ وَهَذِهِ حَالُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ يَبْتَدِعُونَ بِدْعَةً وَيُكَفِّرُونَ مَنْ خَالَفَهُمْ فِيهَا وَأَهْلُ السُّنَّةِ وَالْجَمَاعَةِ يَتَّبِعُونَ الْكِتَابَ وَالسُّنَّةَ وَيُطِيعُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ الْحَقَّ وَيَرْحَمُونَ الْخَلْقَ
The Kharijite sect was the first to declare Muslims to be unbelievers because of their sins. They charged as unbelievers whoever disagreed with their innovations and they made lawful the spilling of blood and the taking of wealth. This is the condition of the people of innovation, that they invent some religious innovation and then they excommunicate whoever disagrees with them concerning it. Rather, the people of the Sunnah and the community follow the Book and the Sunnah and they obey Allah and His Messenger and follow the truth. They have mercy upon the creation.
Source: Majmū’ al-Fatāwá 1/278

True Muslims have mercy upon the entire creation, including unbelievers and idolaters, but the Kharaijites have no mercy for those outside their group. They declare other Muslims to be unbelievers by misinterpreting and misapplying the verses of the Quran.

Al-Bukhari reported: Ibn Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, considered the Kharijites to be the worst of Allah’s creation and he said:

إِنَّهُمْ انْطَلَقُوا إِلَى آيَاتٍ نَزَلَتْ فِي الْكُفَّارِ فَجَعَلُوهَا عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ
Verily, they take verses that were revealed about unbelievers and use them against the believers.
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6531, Grade: Sahih

In the early period of Islam, they declared Ali ibn Abi Talib to be an unbeliever when he intended to reconcile with Mu’awiyah.

Ubaidullah ibn Abu Rafi reported: The Kharijites came out against Ali ibn Abi Talib and they said:
@Al hashimi @Omar del Sur @Galool @Qeelbax

لَا حُكْمَ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ
There is no rule (ḥukm) but for Allah. (12:40)

Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, said:

كَلِمَةُ حَقٍّ أُرِيدَ بِهَا بَاطِلٌ
A word of truth by which is intended falsehood.
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1066, Grade: Sahih

The original Kharijites misused the verse “there is no rule but for Allah,” (12:40) by not properly distinguishing between matters upon which Allah has definitively ruled and matters left open to interpretation, consultation, and human decision-making. Ali ibn Abi Talib decisively refuted them with the Quran.

Abdullah ibn Shaddad reported: The Kharijites came out against Ali and they said:

انْسَلَخْتَ مِنْ قَمِيصٍ أَلْبَسَكَهُ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى وَاسْمٍ سَمَّاكَ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى بِهِ ثُمَّ انْطَلَقْتَ فَحَكَّمْتَ فِي دِينِ اللَّهِ فَلَا حُكْمَ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ تَعَالَى
You have replaced the authority Allah the Exalted has given you and the name with which he named you. Then, you have withdrawn and judged with the judgment of men in the religion of Allah while there is no rule but for Allah.

When Ali heard this, he gathered the people and he called for the greatest scripture (muṣḥaf). He started striking it with his hand, saying:

أَيُّهَا الْمُصْحَفُ حَدِّثْ النَّاسَ
O you scripture, speak to the people!

They said, “It is not a person. It is only ink and paper. We are speaking about what is narrated from it.” Ali said:

أَصْحَابُكُمْ هَؤُلَاءِ الَّذِينَ خَرَجُوا بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَهُمْ كِتَابُ اللَّهِ يَقُولُ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى فِي كِتَابِهِ فِي امْرَأَةٍ وَرَجُلٍ وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ شِقَاقَ بَيْنِهِمَا فَابْعَثُوا حَكَمًا مِنْ أَهْلِهِ وَحَكَمًا مِنْ أَهْلِهَا فَأُمَّةُ مُحَمَّدٍ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَعْظَمُ دَمًا وَحُرْمَةً مِنْ امْرَأَةٍ وَرَجُلٍ
The Book of Allah is between myself and these companions of yours who have come out against me. Allah said in his Book regarding the woman and man, ‘If you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator (ḥakam) from his people,’ (4:35) and the nation of Muhammad is greater in sanctity for their lives than the affair of a woman and a man.

Ibn Abbas was sent to debate with the rebels and four thousand of them repented and returned to the side of Ali. Then, Ali said to the remaining rebels:

فَقِفُوا حَيْثُ شِئْتُمْ حَتَّى تَجْتَمِعَ أُمَّةُ مُحَمَّدٍ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ أَنْ لَا تَسْفِكُوا دَمًا حَرَامًا أَوْ تَقْطَعُوا سَبِيلًا أَوْ تَظْلِمُوا ذِمَّةً فَإِنَّكُمْ إِنْ فَعَلْتُمْ فَقَدْ نَبَذْنَا إِلَيْكُمْ الْحَرْبَ عَلَى سَوَاءٍ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْخَائِنِينَ
Remain wherever you wish, for the nation of Muhammad has agreed between us and you that you will not shed sacred blood or obstruct the highways or oppress a protected people. If you do so, then we have issued a notice of war against you on equal footing. Verily, Allah does not love the treacherous.
Source: Musnad Aḥmad 658, Grade: Sahih

Ahmad Shakir declared this narration to be authentic in his verification of Musnad Aḥmad 2/66.

 

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The Kharijites believe their opinions regarding leadership, government, politics, and the Sharia are the only valid opinions in Islam and whoever disagrees with them becomes an unbeliever. However, the truth is that much of these matters are left open to interpretation and consultation among the Muslims.

In fact, the Prophet commanded us to distinguish between the rule of Allah and the rule of people and not to claim our opinions are the rulings of Allah.

Buraida reported: When the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would appoint a commander over the army, he would personally enjoin him to fear Allah and to be good with the Muslims who were with him. The Prophet would say:

وَإِذَا حَاصَرْتَ أَهْلَ حِصْنٍ فَأَرَادُوكَ أَنْ تَجْعَلَ لَهُمْ ذِمَّةَ اللَّهِ وَذِمَّةَ نَبِيِّهِ فَلَا تَجْعَلْ لَهُمْ ذِمَّةَ اللَّهِ وَلَا ذِمَّةَ نَبِيِّهِ وَلَكِنْ اجْعَلْ لَهُمْ ذِمَّتَكَ وَذِمَّةَ أَصْحَابِكَ فَإِنَّكُمْ أَنْ تُخْفِرُوا ذِمَمَكُمْ وَذِمَمَ أَصْحَابِكُمْ أَهْوَنُ مِنْ أَنْ تُخْفِرُوا ذِمَّةَ اللَّهِ وَذِمَّةَ رَسُولِهِ وَإِذَا حَاصَرْتَ أَهْلَ حِصْنٍ فَأَرَادُوكَ أَنْ تُنْزِلَهُمْ عَلَى حُكْمِ اللَّهِ فَلَا تُنْزِلْهُمْ عَلَى حُكْمِ اللَّهِ وَلَكِنْ أَنْزِلْهُمْ عَلَى حُكْمِكَ فَإِنَّكَ لَا تَدْرِي أَتُصِيبُ حُكْمَ اللَّهِ فِيهِمْ أَمْ لَا
When you besiege the people of a fortress and they appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not give them protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet but rather give them protection in the name of you and your companions. Verily, for you to violate the protection of yourself and your companions is a lesser sin than to violate the protection of Allah and His Messenger. When you besiege the people of a fortress and they appeal for you to bring them out according to the rule of Allah, do not bring them our according to the rule of Allah but rather bring them out according to your ruling. Verily, you do not know if you will judge with the ruling of Allah concerning them or not.
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1731, Grade: Sahih

Thus, Muslims must distinguish between the rule of Allah and the rule of people. Yet the Kharijites, who make no such distinction, will charge other Muslims with unbelief who disagree with their views. In fact, the Kharijites do not simply declare Muslims to be unbelievers in a theoretical way, but rather they call for violent rebellion against entire Muslim societies.

Regarding Muslim rulers, the correct Islamic belief is that we must obey them in all lawful matters. We should only disobey them if they command us to commit sins and we may not call for a violent overthrow of their governments as long as they allow the prayer.

Umm Salamah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

سَتَكُونُ أُمَرَاءُ فَتَعْرِفُونَ وَتُنْكِرُونَ فَمَنْ عَرَفَ بَرِئَ وَمَنْ أَنْكَرَ سَلِمَ وَلَكِنْ مَنْ رَضِيَ وَتَابَعَ
There will be rulers from whom you will see both goodness and corruption. One who recognizes their evil and hates it will maintain his innocence, but one who is pleased with it and follows them will be sinful.

It was said, “Shall we not fight them?” The Prophet said:

لَا مَا صَلَّوْا
No, as long as they pray.
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1854, Grade: Sahih

As long as Muslims are allowed to pray and practice the pillars of Islam, then there is no justification for declaring a rebellion against the rulers. In contrast, the Kharijites rebel against the ruler not to protect the religion, but rather for inexcusable worldly reasons.

Abu Hayyan reported: A man from the Kharijites came to Hasan Al-Basri and he said, “What do you say about the rebels?” Hasan said:

هم أصحاب دنيا
They are seekers of the world.

He said, “Why do you say that when one of them goes out with his spear until it breaks and he leaves his family and children?” Hasan said:

حدثني عن السلطان أيمنعك من إقامة الصلاة وإيتاء الزكاة والحج والعمرة
Tell me about the ruler. Does he prevent you from establishing prayer, giving charity, and performing the pilgrimage?

He said no. Hasan said:

فأراه إنما منعك الدنيا فقاتلته عليها
As I see it, he has only prevented you from seeking the world and you have fought him for it.
Source: al-Baṣā’ir wal-Dhakhā’ir 1/34

 

[techsamatar]

@Galool @Qeelbax @Omar del Sur @Al hashimi

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

مَنْ خَرَجَ مِنَ الطَّاعَةِ وَفَارَقَ الْجَمَاعَةَ فَمَاتَ مَاتَ مِيتَةً جَاهِلِيَّةً وَمَنْ قَاتَلَ تَحْتَ رَايَةٍ عُمِّيَّةٍ يَغْضَبُ لِعَصَبَةٍ أَوْ يَدْعُو إِلَى عَصَبَةٍ أَوْ يَنْصُرُ عَصَبَةً فَقُتِلَ فَقِتْلَةٌ جَاهِلِيَّةٌ وَمَنْ خَرَجَ عَلَى أُمَّتِي يَضْرِبُ بَرَّهَا وَفَاجِرَهَا وَلاَ يَتَحَاشَ مِنْ مُؤْمِنِهَا وَلاَ يَفِي لِذِي عَهْدٍ عَهْدَهُ فَلَيْسَ مِنِّي وَلَسْتُ مِنْهُ
Whoever rejects obedience to the leader and divides the community and dies will have died upon ignorance. Whoever fights under the banner of one who is blind, raging for the sake of tribalism, or calling to tribalism, or supporting tribalism, and is killed will have died upon ignorance. Whoever rebels against my nation, striking the righteous and wicked alike and sparing not even the believers and does not fulfill the pledge of security, then he has nothing to do with me and I have nothing to do with him.
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1848, Grade: Sahih

 

[Al hashimi]

The Qur'an states that whoever Judges by other than what Allah has revealed then he is a disbeliever.

 

[Galool]

No one will take lessons on Islam by a guy who started out here claiming to proudly work for Israelis in their war on Muslim Palestinians.

In fact you are a clear example of the Madkhali Zionists and how far they are from Islam and Muslims.

techsamatar said:
I am employed by a billion-dollar, stock-traded software company headquartered in Israel, founded and owned by Israelis. I work at their UK subsidiary, where we receive technology support from the headquarters and pay them a percentage of the revenue we generate. The company specializes in providing workforce management software and security solutions to all businesses Israel they probably do software to monitor Palestinians who knows.

Ironically, my CEO is about to visit the headquarters to discuss a list of demands for our UK branch. However, the situation took a surprising turn when Hamas invaded Israel, i think it will cause significant disruptions, especially in the procurement of software and hardware.

Do I feel guilt for working with Israelis? Nah. Is it Haram? Don't think so.

If I am on the path to becoming a future Dictator and uniting Somalia, sacrifices will need to be made, and I must elevate to power, and get closer to ones who control the globe behind the curtains.

 

[techsamatar]

The Qur'an states that whoever Judges by other than what Allah has revealed then he is a disbeliever.

Are you mentally exhausted, or have you forgotten to take your medications? How about you read the post? My jaw is absolutely on the floor as I read this because this is exactly what the Khawariji accused to Ali ibn Talib.

In the early period of Islam, they declared Ali ibn Abi Talib to be an unbeliever when he intended to reconcile with Mu’awiyah.

Ubaidullah ibn Abu Rafi reported: The Kharijites came out against Ali ibn Abi Talib and they said:
@Al hashimi @Omar del Sur @Galool @Qeelbax

لَا حُكْمَ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ
There is no rule (ḥukm) but for Allah. (12:40)

Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, said:

كَلِمَةُ حَقٍّ أُرِيدَ بِهَا بَاطِلٌ
A word of truth by which is intended falsehood.
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1066, Grade: Sahih

The original Kharijites misused the verse “there is no rule but for Allah,” (12:40) by not properly distinguishing between matters upon which Allah has definitively ruled and matters left open to interpretation, consultation, and human decision-making. Ali ibn Abi Talib decisively refuted them with the Quran.

Abdullah ibn Shaddad reported: The Kharijites came out against Ali and they said:

انْسَلَخْتَ مِنْ قَمِيصٍ أَلْبَسَكَهُ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى وَاسْمٍ سَمَّاكَ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى بِهِ ثُمَّ انْطَلَقْتَ فَحَكَّمْتَ فِي دِينِ اللَّهِ فَلَا حُكْمَ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ تَعَالَى
You have replaced the authority Allah the Exalted has given you and the name with which he named you. Then, you have withdrawn and judged with the judgment of men in the religion of Allah while there is no rule but for Allah.

When Ali heard this, he gathered the people and he called for the greatest scripture (muṣḥaf). He started striking it with his hand, saying:

أَيُّهَا الْمُصْحَفُ حَدِّثْ النَّاسَ
O you scripture, speak to the people!

They said, “It is not a person. It is only ink and paper. We are speaking about what is narrated from it.” Ali said:

أَصْحَابُكُمْ هَؤُلَاءِ الَّذِينَ خَرَجُوا بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَهُمْ كِتَابُ اللَّهِ يَقُولُ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى فِي كِتَابِهِ فِي امْرَأَةٍ وَرَجُلٍ وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ شِقَاقَ بَيْنِهِمَا فَابْعَثُوا حَكَمًا مِنْ أَهْلِهِ وَحَكَمًا مِنْ أَهْلِهَا فَأُمَّةُ مُحَمَّدٍ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَعْظَمُ دَمًا وَحُرْمَةً مِنْ امْرَأَةٍ وَرَجُلٍ
The Book of Allah is between myself and these companions of yours who have come out against me. Allah said in his Book regarding the woman and man, ‘If you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator (ḥakam) from his people,’ (4:35) and the nation of Muhammad is greater in sanctity for their lives than the affair of a woman and a man.

Ibn Abbas was sent to debate with the rebels and four thousand of them repented and returned to the side of Ali. Then, Ali said to the remaining rebels:

فَقِفُوا حَيْثُ شِئْتُمْ حَتَّى تَجْتَمِعَ أُمَّةُ مُحَمَّدٍ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ أَنْ لَا تَسْفِكُوا دَمًا حَرَامًا أَوْ تَقْطَعُوا سَبِيلًا أَوْ تَظْلِمُوا ذِمَّةً فَإِنَّكُمْ إِنْ فَعَلْتُمْ فَقَدْ نَبَذْنَا إِلَيْكُمْ الْحَرْبَ عَلَى سَوَاءٍ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْخَائِنِينَ
Remain wherever you wish, for the nation of Muhammad has agreed between us and you that you will not shed sacred blood or obstruct the highways or oppress a protected people. If you do so, then we have issued a notice of war against you on equal footing. Verily, Allah does not love the treacherous.
Source: Musnad Aḥmad 658, Grade: Sahih

Ahmad Shakir declared this narration to be authentic in his verification of Musnad Aḥmad 2/66.

 

[Galool]

Are you mentally exhausted, or have you forgotten to take your medications? How about you read the post? My jaw is absolutely on the floor as I read this because this is exactly what the Khawariji accused to Ali ibn Talib.

In the early period of Islam, they declared Ali ibn Abi Talib to be an unbeliever when he intended to reconcile with Mu’awiyah.

Ubaidullah ibn Abu Rafi reported: The Kharijites came out against Ali ibn Abi Talib and they said:
@Al hashimi @Omar del Sur @Galool @Qeelbax

Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, said:


The original Kharijites misused the verse “there is no rule but for Allah,” (12:40) by not properly distinguishing between matters upon which Allah has definitively ruled and matters left open to interpretation, consultation, and human decision-making. Ali ibn Abi Talib decisively refuted them with the Quran.

Abdullah ibn Shaddad reported: The Kharijites came out against Ali and they said:


When Ali heard this, he gathered the people and he called for the greatest scripture (muṣḥaf). He started striking it with his hand, saying:


They said, “It is not a person. It is only ink and paper. We are speaking about what is narrated from it.” Ali said:


Ibn Abbas was sent to debate with the rebels and four thousand of them repented and returned to the side of Ali. Then, Ali said to the remaining rebels:


Ahmad Shakir declared this narration to be authentic in his verification of Musnad Aḥmad 2/66.

Ali RA was the rightful caliph and bayah was given to him. None of the teachings in Islam about obeying the ruler applies to modern propped up secular rulers of nation states.

Only the caliph.

Sorry Zionist.

 

[techsamatar]

The Kharijites believe their opinions regarding leadership, government, politics, and the Sharia are the only valid opinions in Islam and whoever disagrees with them becomes an unbeliever. However, the truth is that much of these matters are left open to interpretation and consultation among the Muslims.

In fact, the Prophet commanded us to distinguish between the rule of Allah and the rule of people and not to claim our opinions are the rulings of Allah.

Buraida reported: When the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would appoint a commander over the army, he would personally enjoin him to fear Allah and to be good with the Muslims who were with him. The Prophet would say:


Thus, Muslims must distinguish between the rule of Allah and the rule of people. Yet the Kharijites, who make no such distinction, will charge other Muslims with unbelief who disagree with their views. In fact, the Kharijites do not simply declare Muslims to be unbelievers in a theoretical way, but rather they call for violent rebellion against entire Muslim societies.

Regarding Muslim rulers, the correct Islamic belief is that we must obey them in all lawful matters. We should only disobey them if they command us to commit sins and we may not call for a violent overthrow of their governments as long as they allow the prayer.

Umm Salamah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:


It was said, “Shall we not fight them?” The Prophet said:


As long as Muslims are allowed to pray and practice the pillars of Islam, then there is no justification for declaring a rebellion against the rulers. In contrast, the Kharijites rebel against the ruler not to protect the religion, but rather for inexcusable worldly reasons.

Abu Hayyan reported: A man from the Kharijites came to Hasan Al-Basri and he said, “What do you say about the rebels?” Hasan said:


He said, “Why do you say that when one of them goes out with his spear until it breaks and he leaves his family and children?” Hasan said:


He said no. Hasan said:

@Galool Okay Keyboard khawarij am guessing this part went over your head as usual.

 

[techsamatar]

@Galool @Omar del Sur @Al hashimi No more spending time with you people, I stated and said enough could truly care about keyboard warriors just tell me when you act upon this ideology and do something about it instead of gossiping lol. Silence is my final answer and reply.

 

[Al hashimi]

Are you mentally exhausted, or have you forgotten to take your medications? How about you read the post? My jaw is absolutely on the floor as I read this because this is exactly what the Khawariji accused to Ali ibn Talib.

In the early period of Islam, they declared Ali ibn Abi Talib to be an unbeliever when he intended to reconcile with Mu’awiyah.

Ubaidullah ibn Abu Rafi reported: The Kharijites came out against Ali ibn Abi Talib and they said:
@Al hashimi @Omar del Sur @Galool @Qeelbax

Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, said:


The original Kharijites misused the verse “there is no rule but for Allah,” (12:40) by not properly distinguishing between matters upon which Allah has definitively ruled and matters left open to interpretation, consultation, and human decision-making. Ali ibn Abi Talib decisively refuted them with the Quran.

Abdullah ibn Shaddad reported: The Kharijites came out against Ali and they said:


When Ali heard this, he gathered the people and he called for the greatest scripture (muṣḥaf). He started striking it with his hand, saying:


They said, “It is not a person. It is only ink and paper. We are speaking about what is narrated from it.” Ali said:


Ibn Abbas was sent to debate with the rebels and four thousand of them repented and returned to the side of Ali. Then, Ali said to the remaining rebels:


Ahmad Shakir declared this narration to be authentic in his verification of Musnad Aḥmad 2/66.

Nigga They Takfired Ali RA for reconciliation I never said that is kufr

 

[Al hashimi]

@Galool @Omar del Sur @Al hashimi No more spending time with you people, I stated and said enough could truly care about keyboard warriors just tell me when you act upon this ideology and do something about it instead of gossiping lol. Silence is my final answer and reply.

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Murji'ah Tawagheet kisser lost the debate lol

 

[techsamatar]

Nigga They Takfired Ali RA for reconciliation I never said that is kufr

Did you ignore this part you retarded spastic i would not be surprised if you was 14yr old khawarij keyboard incel.

Ubaidullah ibn Abu Rafi reported: The Kharijites came out against Ali ibn Abi Talib and they said:

لَا حُكْمَ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ
There is no rule (ḥukm) but for Allah. (12:40)

 

[Al hashimi]

But Ali (RA) WAS ruling by Allah's Law. Are you saying Ali RA wasn't ruling by other than Allah's Law

 

[Haragwaafi]

They exist in Oman called Ibadis but Ironocally the clergy there calls its followers to follow the commands of their rulers breaking a major part of their sect that calls for disobedience if the ruler is corrupt or despotic

 

[techsamatar]

But Ali (RA) WAS ruling by Allah's Law. Are you saying Ali RA wasn't ruling by other than Allah's Law

The Kharijites misused the verse “there is no rule but for Allah,” (12:40) by not properly distinguishing between matters upon which Allah has definitively ruled and matters left open to interpretation, consultation, and human decision-making. Ali ibn Abi Talib decisively refuted them with the Quran.

Abdullah ibn Shaddad reported: The Kharijites came out against Ali and they said:

انْسَلَخْتَ مِنْ قَمِيصٍ أَلْبَسَكَهُ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى وَاسْمٍ سَمَّاكَ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى بِهِ ثُمَّ انْطَلَقْتَ فَحَكَّمْتَ فِي دِينِ اللَّهِ فَلَا حُكْمَ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ تَعَالَى
You have replaced the authority Allah the Exalted has given you and the name with which he named you. Then, you have withdrawn and judged with the judgment of men in the religion of Allah while there is no rule but for Allah.

When Ali heard this, he gathered the people and he called for the greatest scripture (muṣḥaf). He started striking it with his hand, saying:

أَيُّهَا الْمُصْحَفُ حَدِّثْ النَّاسَ
O you scripture, speak to the people!

They said, “It is not a person. It is only ink and paper. We are speaking about what is narrated from it.” Ali said:

أَصْحَابُكُمْ هَؤُلَاءِ الَّذِينَ خَرَجُوا بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَهُمْ كِتَابُ اللَّهِ يَقُولُ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى فِي كِتَابِهِ فِي امْرَأَةٍ وَرَجُلٍ وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ شِقَاقَ بَيْنِهِمَا فَابْعَثُوا حَكَمًا مِنْ أَهْلِهِ وَحَكَمًا مِنْ أَهْلِهَا فَأُمَّةُ مُحَمَّدٍ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَعْظَمُ دَمًا وَحُرْمَةً مِنْ امْرَأَةٍ وَرَجُلٍ
The Book of Allah is between myself and these companions of yours who have come out against me. Allah said in his Book regarding the woman and man, ‘If you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator (ḥakam) from his people,’ (4:35) and the nation of Muhammad is greater in sanctity for their lives than the affair of a woman and a man.

You, keyboard Kharijites, engage in takfir, labelling rulers as kafirs for sins other than shirk. You twist verses to assert that only the rule and law of Allah are 100% valid, rejecting any form of man-made interference or interpretation. Ironically, this echoes the same accusations levelled against Ali, who adeptly refuted such claims with factual evidence.

 

[Garaad Hirabu]

Very informative indeed.

 

[techsamatar]

@Al hashimi @Omar del Sur @Galool So let me guess the prophet according to your khawarji thinking was a Kafir and a madkhali since he told his commander to not bring them out according to the rule of Allah but rather bring them out according to your ruling?

In fact, the Prophet commanded us to distinguish between the rule of Allah and the rule of people.

Buraida reported: When the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would appoint a commander over the army, he would personally enjoin him to fear Allah and to be good with the Muslims who were with him. The Prophet would say:

وَإِذَا حَاصَرْتَ أَهْلَ حِصْنٍ فَأَرَادُوكَ أَنْ تَجْعَلَ لَهُمْ ذِمَّةَ اللَّهِ وَذِمَّةَ نَبِيِّهِ فَلَا تَجْعَلْ لَهُمْ ذِمَّةَ اللَّهِ وَلَا ذِمَّةَ نَبِيِّهِ وَلَكِنْ اجْعَلْ لَهُمْ ذِمَّتَكَ وَذِمَّةَ أَصْحَابِكَ فَإِنَّكُمْ أَنْ تُخْفِرُوا ذِمَمَكُمْ وَذِمَمَ أَصْحَابِكُمْ أَهْوَنُ مِنْ أَنْ تُخْفِرُوا ذِمَّةَ اللَّهِ وَذِمَّةَ رَسُولِهِ وَإِذَا حَاصَرْتَ أَهْلَ حِصْنٍ فَأَرَادُوكَ أَنْ تُنْزِلَهُمْ عَلَى حُكْمِ اللَّهِ فَلَا تُنْزِلْهُمْ عَلَى حُكْمِ اللَّهِ وَلَكِنْ أَنْزِلْهُمْ عَلَى حُكْمِكَ فَإِنَّكَ لَا تَدْرِي أَتُصِيبُ حُكْمَ اللَّهِ فِيهِمْ أَمْ لَا
When you besiege the people of a fortress and they appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not give them protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet but rather give them protection in the name of you and your companions. Verily, for you to violate the protection of yourself and your companions is a lesser sin than to violate the protection of Allah and His Messenger. When you besiege the people of a fortress and they appeal for you to bring them out according to the rule of Allah, do not bring them our according to the rule of Allah but rather bring them out according to your ruling. Verily, you do not know if you will judge with the ruling of Allah concerning them or not.
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1731, Grade: Sahih

Thus, Muslims must distinguish between the rule of Allah and the rule of people. Yet the Kharijites, who make no such distinction, will charge other Muslims with unbelief who disagree with their views. In fact, the Kharijites do not simply declare Muslims to be unbelievers in a theoretical way, but rather they call for violent rebellion against entire Muslim societies.

 

[hanif#]

@Al hashimi @Omar del Sur @Galool So let me guess the prophet according to your khawarji thinking was a Kafir and a madkhali since he told his commander to not bring them out according to the rule of Allah but rather bring them out according to your ruling?

In fact, the Prophet commanded us to distinguish between the rule of Allah and the rule of people.

Buraida reported: When the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would appoint a commander over the army, he would personally enjoin him to fear Allah and to be good with the Muslims who were with him. The Prophet would say:


Thus, Muslims must distinguish between the rule of Allah and the rule of people. Yet the Kharijites, who make no such distinction, will charge other Muslims with unbelief who disagree with their views. The Kharijites do not simply declare Muslims to be unbelievers in a theoretical way, but rather they call for violent rebellion against entire Muslim societies.

Who are the Kharijites? Why are you tagging these people like they are Khawarij? Or is anyone who opposes Madkhalis a Khariji by default whether he holds those Khawarij beliefs or not?

 

[techsamatar]

Who are the Kharijites? Why are you tagging these people like they are Khawarij? Or is anyone who opposes Madkhalis a Khariji by default whether he holds those Khawarij beliefs or not?

The individual Al-Hashimi is a clear Kharijite, openly declaring Islamic rulers as kafirs. Others support and align with him, functioning more as passive observers than active participants in uprisings. These individuals, often characterized as keyboard warriors, reside in the West under non-Muslim rule, paying taxes to non-Muslim authorities while inciting distrust and disobedience towards Muslim rulers. This, unfortunately, plays into the hands of a divide-and-conquer strategy, potentially fuelling revolts and civil wars that inadvertently contribute to destabilization and align with Israel's divide-and-conquer agenda.

refer to this thread of mine to see where you stand: https://www.somalispot.com/threads/khawarji-dogs-of-the-hellfire.157775/#post-3837142

Finally, you, trend-riding Muslims, casually toss around the term 'Madkhali' as a form of slander against those who adhere to the Quran and Sunnah and follow the understanding of the Salaf. It's important to note that 'Madkhali' refers to a tribe, and Sheikh Rabīʿ bin Hādī ʿUmayr al-Madkhalī, associated with this tribe, has received praise from scholars for his contributions to Islamic knowledge.

 

[hanif#]

refer to this thread of mine to see where you stand: https://www.somalispot.com/threads/khawarji-dogs-of-the-hellfire.157775/#post-3837142. (1) outwardly proclaims rebellion against the Muslim rulers or

Rebelling against tyrant Muslim rulers is a Khilafi issue that the salaf have differed on. So no, no one will become Khawarij by simply proclaiming rebellion against a Muslim ruler. Sayidduna Hussein, Aisha Talha, Muawiyya, Zubeir (ra) and the countless Tabi'i fuqaha who rebelled against Abdulmalik bin Marwan are Khawarij according to your logic.