DEG DEG : Intelligence chiefs extradited ONLF without Farmaajos permission

[Ferrari]

He probably doesn't want to establish a precedent where he has to deny every accusation levelled at him whether true or false. It takes the power away from his government and allows any idiot who opposes his government to establish the narrative.

Too late then becsuse the narrative has already been set, right or wrong. It's been 4 days. It would have been wiser to come out and tell people he had nothing to do with it. The longer he waits, the worse it gets.

 

[Abdalla]

Don't be fooled. Regardless of what they're saying @Abdalla @Cotton Eyed Joe @Inquisitive_ @Gbyallmeans @GABAN @waraabe are all speaking from a position of qabyalaad, they don't care about the truth or what's best for all Somalis here.

Instead of personal attack, why not just give us your analysis? In this thread only you and Inquisititive are attacking people on personal level. Refute our ideas, don't attack us marwo.

 

[Gambar]

Speak for yourself madam. With the exception of waraabe and the bermuda triangle everyone in that list supported Farmaajo including myself until his actions became clearer and clearer for all to see.

You have no idea in regards to the situation in Xamar and how bad it has become, people that moved back a decade ago from the diaspora are for the first time planning to return back or move to Kenya, these are incredibly optimistic people.

His policies have destroyed the city, destroyed the security and destroyed any semblance of trust/peace, he has removed private security that safeguarded each neighbourhoods from shabab/criminals without replacing them with anyone despite collecting tax, as a result, crime has become rampant in ways never seen before.

Unlike you, I speak to several people that are on the ground, I am even on the verge of cancelling my own upcoming annual trip back home because of this, don't let your kheyrlaawe uncle blind you from the realities on the ground, even our greatest allies the Turks are on the verge of throwing them under the bus.

Any time anyone says something that doesn't fit your narrative you engage in qabiil slurs. Your subclan is never wrong.

If @embarassing didnt call you a qabiilist you wouldn't be ranting at her

 

[XamarCade]

Dhabodilifnimo is in their DNA, they can't live without it

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

Too late then becsuse the narrative has already been set, right or wrong. It's been 4 days. It would have been wiser to come out and tell people he had nothing to do with it. The longer he waits, the worse it gets.

I thought so too initially but there's a flaw in that. If he publicly dismisses this and another controversy is created later and he chooses not to respond to it for reason beyond our understanding, his opponents will cite the one time he did publicly dismiss it as evidence of his guilt. "If he came out last time, what's stopping him now?"A government is a large machine he can't be know everyone's actions. But if we speak from his popularity and mandate, what logical reason is there for Farmajo to hand over an high ranking ONLF member to Ethiopia? Why would he destroy what made him popular in the first place? That's why we believe he is being undermined.

 

[Ferrari]

I thought so too initially but there's a flaw in that. If he publicly dismisses this and another controversy is created later and he chooses not to respond to it for reason beyond our understanding, his opponents will cite the one time he did publicly dismiss it as evidence of his guilt. "If he came out last time, what's stopping him now?"A government is a large machine he can't be know everyone's actions. But if we speak from his popularity and mandate, what logical reason is there for Farmajo to hand over an high ranking ONLF member to Ethiopia? Why would he destroy what made him popular in the first place? That's why we believe he is being undermined.

I would think he was forced since he has to comply with Ethiopia just like everyone else. One of those times where you must do ad you are told. I think at best, he ignored the whole event as it was happening. I don't think he was in the dark. It's very strange. Coming out and telling the truth would have been good and if they made up another story, people wouldn't buy it and see it as an attack on him since there was a failed earlier attempt.

 

[Inquisitive_]

Too late then becsuse the narrative has already been set, right or wrong. It's been 4 days. It would have been wiser to come out and tell people he had nothing to do with it. The longer he waits, the worse it gets.

If your being accused of a grievous crime, you come out within minutes to deny this if your innocent, but if your guilty and smart you take your time to come up with a wonderful excuse or scapegoat.

This is the psychology of someone that has a guilty conscious who is also smart/savvy which you expect from a President. The Ethiopians would never release Somalis from prison without getting 10x the deal in return purely because they are dealing the hand that has power.

This looks like an epic miscalculation, the interior minister from Garowe likely advised him it's not a big deal because both Somaliland/Puntland have been handing over people as ONLF to the TPLF with no adverse reactions from most Somali's beyond a few protests in Xamar or it's tabloids that reported this (only reason we know this took place)

He didn't realise the nationalism platform he ran on which included being Anti Ethiopia will absolutely crush him as a result if he followed suit, no other president ran on this platform, hence the expectations of the people were huge.

So what does he do? he goes and not only hands any ordinary ONLF dude the people don't know, but the very top one that happens to be a Somali war veteran as well.

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

If your being accused of a grievous crime, you come out within minutes to deny this if your innocent, but if your guilty and smart you take your time to come up with a wonderful excuse or scapegoat.

This is the psychology of someone that has a guilty conscious who is also smart/savvy which you expect from a President. The Ethiopians would never release Somalis from prison without getting 10x the deal in return purely because they are dealing the hand that has power.

This looks like an epic miscalculation, the interior minister from Garowe likely advised him it's not a big deal because both Somaliland/Puntland have been handing over people as ONLF to the TPLF with no adverse reactions from most Somali's beyond a few protests in Xamar or it's tabloids that reported this (only reason we know this took place)

He didn't realise the nationalism platform he ran on which included being Anti Ethiopia will absolutely crush him as a result if he followed suit, no other president ran on this platform, hence the expectations of the people were huge.

So what does he do? he goes and not only hands any ordinary ONLF dude the people don't know, but the very top one that happens to be a Somali war veteran as well.

Look at this moryaan a Minister from Garowe said hand them over it's no big deal? He'll connect anything to Puntland

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

I would think he was forced since he has to comply with Ethiopia just like everyone else. One of those times where you must do ad you are told. I think at best, he ignored the whole event as it was happening. I don't think he was in the dark. It's very strange. Coming out and telling the truth would have been good and if they made up another story, people wouldn't buy it and see it as an attack on him since there was a failed earlier attempt.

So a minister from Garowe told Farmajo hand over an ONLF senior member to Ethiopia to serve them and it's no big deal is a more plausible theory to you than Farmajo would not undermine his own platform?

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Rookie mistake from farmaajo, nigga needs to completely control the intelligence svs. It still looks bad for him. Why bring back that qasaro sanboloshe? you need loyal niggas. @Abdalla mentioned this yesterday, why bring him all the way back to xamar while they could have easily took him straight to ethiopia from Galnus? The same Galnus who wanted to hand the mujahid over but Nisa snatched him from them.






lol @ the crocodile tears from the usual pack

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

Instead of personal attack, why not just give us your analysis? In this thread only you and Inquisititive are attacking people on personal level. Refute our ideas, don't attack us marwo.

You expect too much

 

[embarassing]

Instead of personal attack, why not just give us your analysis? In this thread only you and Inquisititive are attacking people on personal level. Refute our ideas, don't attack us marwo.

Where did I personally attack anyone? I did not. I said you're all speaking from a place of qabyalad regardless of what you're saying. That's the truth not an attack. There's nothing to refute when people are making claims without any basis, that's not how it works we have to wait for more evidence.

 

[Ferrari]

If your being accused of a grievous crime, you come out within minutes to deny this if your innocent, but if your guilty and smart you take your time to come up with a wonderful excuse or scapegoat.

This is the psychology of someone that has a guilty conscious who is also smart/savvy which you expect from a President. The Ethiopians would never release Somalis from prison without getting 10x the deal in return purely because they are dealing the hand that has power.

This looks like an epic miscalculation, the interior minister from Garowe likely advised him it's not a big deal because both Somaliland/Puntland have been handing over people as ONLF to the TPLF with no adverse reactions from most Somali's beyond a few protests in Xamar or it's tabloids that reported this (only reason we know this took place)

He didn't realise the nationalism platform he ran on which included being Anti Ethiopia will absolutely crush him as a result, no other president ran on this platform, hence the expectations of the people were huge.

I agree with your first statement which is if you are accused of a crime as bad as treason in this point, you would come out quickly to distance yourself and blame the involved party. Is it possible that he was instructed to not say a word just to create and maintain chaos? only god knows but to me it's more likely that he knew, at the very least, if he wasn't personally involved.

 

[Abdalla]

Where did I personally attack anyone? I did not. I said you're all speaking from a place of qabyalad regardless of what you're saying. That's the truth not an attack. There's nothing to refute when people are making claims without any basis, that's not how it works we have to wait for more evidence.

What qabyaalad? Me and @Cadmus hold the same opinion, what makes mine intentions qabyalad motivated and his not?

You expect too much

She refused you your biyo and now she wants to silence me

 

[Abdalla]

I agree with your first statement which is if you are accused of a crime as bad as treason in this point, you would come out quickly to distance yourself and blame the involved party. Is it possible that he was instructed to not say a word just to create and maintain chaos? only god knows but to me it's more likely that he knew, at the very least, if he wasn't personally involved.

So the entire president should come out and say 'yaakhey walahi bilahi talahi ma ogeen?'

 

[embarassing]

What qabyaalad? Me and @Cadmus hold the same opinion, what makes mine intentions qabyalad motivated and his not?



She refused you your biyo and now she wants to silence me

Lol is that a serious question? @Cadmus is a nationalist whose against qabyalad and never engages in such discussion while you're a 'proud' qabilist who says hutu every other post usually.

 

[Ferrari]

So a minister from Garowe told Farmajo hand over an ONLF senior member to Ethiopia to serve them and it's no big deal is a more plausible theory to you than Farmajo would not undermine his own platform?

I have my own theories which I have already posted on here. We were talking about why he would be quiet this long and your best argument was that maybe he doesn't want others to set the narrative for his government? But that's exactly what happened due to him being quiet.

 

[Ferrari]

So the entire president should come out and say 'yaakhey walahi bilahi talahi ma ogeen?'

If he wasn't involved, yes. The worst that will do is expose some incomptence but it's nothing compared to be accused of treason, and working for Ethiopia.
Why would he not? What would you do if you were him?

 

[Cadmus]

I agree with your first statement which is if you are accused of a crime as bad as treason in this point, you would come out quickly to distance yourself and blame the involved party. Is it possible that he was instructed to not say a word just to create and maintain chaos? only god knows but to me it's more likely that he knew, at the very least, if he wasn't personally involved.

Bingo. Whoever told them to be quiet is a big suspect right now.

 

[Abdalla]

Lol is that a serious question? @Cadmus is a nationalist whose against qabyalad and never engages in such discussion while you're a 'proud' qabilist who says hutu every other post usually.

You can criticise my actions, but never try to question my motivates. You simply can't see my intentions, only God can see that. Engage in the topic at hand or keep it moving. No need to police people. If God did not send his prophet as a guardian over the people, He sure as hell didn't you send you as one.