Sounds like sheeko xariir, If Hawiye is as united as you are portraying GM and HS wouldn't be in the state they're in today.
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Prince of HS
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What Shabaab? That has nothing to do with hawiye unity. If anything all hawiye are onboard with HSM offensives
If you want to see hawiye unity, just see Banadir boom and growth past 10 years
Typical Jeberti, instead of working on unifying your fake clan you rather transgress on other people.
Rationale, what a wonderful cold and analytical mind you have. Your analysis is spot on. Hawiye whether somaliland secedes or not shall for the foreseeable future be the kings of the South clan wise. I like the way you have wisened up from the false darood narrative of nationalism. Let me forewarn you from their next card that they are now getting ready to bring forth false islamism. Soon you shall see the rise of alitisam starting with the coming conflict between them and deni, be aware of the bashir salaad's amongst you.
The Midlands
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Political Irirism was invented by Isaaq and Hawadle these Abgaals were pro Daarood in the 60s when only Hiiraan voted with the North against the constitutional referendum in 1961
"The constitutional referendum took place in the spring of 1961, and the major opposition turned out to be from Hiran and the central part of the North"
I used to be Iririst few years ago but federalism and Al Shabaab have changed my political views on Somalia.
Beesha Isaaq and Dir are the biggest enemy of Mogadishu and koonfur you will know this if you have security connections. The other day there was Isaaq and dir jaaliyad collecting money for biimaal to arm themselvies against HG in Marka but the money have gone to Al Shabaab man. Security source told me do you know kabxanley rebuilding money gone to Al Shabaab too? Its a way they send money to Shabaab using local dir as means. Right now SL has sent hebelkaa sunni to Hawiye to replace the sick al Shabaab amir
The other thing that changed my mind on Irirism is federalism. Isaaq are antifederalism and pro central govt in koonfur because they dont want more than two regions(North and South)
Somaliland ictiraaf will come to end if D&M and every clan enjoys autonomy so they pro strong central govt in koonfur
Hawiye interestes are in federalism. ABGAAL and Hawiye had no shit under Farmaajo he took their income from the port and they had no other ports and strong FMS to fund their opposition like Deni who was leading the first round.
Farmaajo was telling the Isaaqs im reer koonfur and represent Hawiye i will give you SSC and even the capital and the pm let us unite. Alot of them welcomed it even jeegaanta!
"The constitutional referendum took place in the spring of 1961, and the major opposition turned out to be from Hiran and the central part of the North"
Africa's First Democrats
Abdi Ismail Samatar provides a clear and foundational history of Somalia at the dawn of the country's independence when Africa's first democrats appeared. While many African countries were dominated by authoritarian rulers when they entered the postcolonial era—and scholars have assumed this as...
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The Somali Republic 1961 Presidential Election: A Test of Democracy
On July 1st 1960, The United Nations Trust Territory of Somaliland under Italian Administration and the British Protectorate of Somaliland Joined to form a new nation called the Somali Republic.
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I used to be Iririst few years ago but federalism and Al Shabaab have changed my political views on Somalia.
Beesha Isaaq and Dir are the biggest enemy of Mogadishu and koonfur you will know this if you have security connections. The other day there was Isaaq and dir jaaliyad collecting money for biimaal to arm themselvies against HG in Marka but the money have gone to Al Shabaab man. Security source told me do you know kabxanley rebuilding money gone to Al Shabaab too? Its a way they send money to Shabaab using local dir as means. Right now SL has sent hebelkaa sunni to Hawiye to replace the sick al Shabaab amir
The other thing that changed my mind on Irirism is federalism. Isaaq are antifederalism and pro central govt in koonfur because they dont want more than two regions(North and South)
Somaliland ictiraaf will come to end if D&M and every clan enjoys autonomy so they pro strong central govt in koonfur
Hawiye interestes are in federalism. ABGAAL and Hawiye had no shit under Farmaajo he took their income from the port and they had no other ports and strong FMS to fund their opposition like Deni who was leading the first round.
Farmaajo was telling the Isaaqs im reer koonfur and represent Hawiye i will give you SSC and even the capital and the pm let us unite. Alot of them welcomed it even jeegaanta!
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bidenkulaha
GalYare
Huh when’s the last time there was even a war in Galmudug? It’s under development is due to a lack of good governance (Ahlu sunnah) and security problems (Shabaab). It’s biggest problem waa sheikhs running for office.
Abgaal, HG and Murusade haven’t fought in GM lol
Political Irirism was invented by Isaaq and Hawadle these Abgaals were pro Daarood in the 60s when only Hiiraan voted with the North against the constitutional referendum in 1961
"The constitutional referendum took place in the spring of 1961, and the major opposition turned out to be from Hiran and the central part of the North"
Africa's First Democrats
Abdi Ismail Samatar provides a clear and foundational history of Somalia at the dawn of the country's independence when Africa's first democrats appeared. While many African countries were dominated by authoritarian rulers when they entered the postcolonial era—and scholars have assumed this as...books.google.co.uk
The Somali Republic 1961 Presidential Election: A Test of Democracy
On July 1st 1960, The United Nations Trust Territory of Somaliland under Italian Administration and the British Protectorate of Somaliland Joined to form a new nation called the Somali Republic.www.hiiraan.com
I used to be Iririst few years ago but federalism and Al Shabaab have changed my political views on Somalia.
Beesha Isaaq and Dir are the biggest enemy of Mogadishu and koonfur you will know this if you have security connections. The other day there was Isaaq and dir jaaliyad collecting money for biimaal to arm themselvies against HG in Marka but the money have gone to Al Shabaab man. Security source told me do you know kabxanley rebuilding money gone to Al Shabaab too? Its a way they send money to Shabaab using local dir as means. Right now SL has sent hebelkaa sunni to Hawiye to replace the sick al Shabaab amir
The other thing that changed my mind on Irirism is federalism. Isaaq are antifederalism and pro central govt in koonfur because they dont want more than two regions(North and South)
Somaliland ictiraaf will come to end if D&M and every clan enjoys autonomy so they pro strong central govt in koonfur
Hawiye interestes are in federalism. ABGAAL and Hawiye had no shit under Farmaajo he took their income from the port and they had no other ports and strong FMS to fund their opposition like Deni who was leading the first round.
Farmaajo was telling the Isaaqs im reer koonfur and represent Hawiye i will give you SSC and even the capital and the pm let us unite. Alot of them welcomed it even jeegaanta!
the last paragraph kills me how can cheese man give something we already have. Farmaajo had Mahdi guled from Ethiopia that’s it his only isaaq politican and ally of note was educated in Addis and spoke fluent Amharic. There was never an alliance with Farmaajo he was very clearly anti SL and even stopped aid money coming to SL until the international community pressured him.
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end of the day, i still view hawiye as my fellow somalis. i would marry them and would let my family marry them. i feel welcome among them. but i don’t think any somali should marry from isaaq due to the hatred they have. they will corrupt your children with their devil propaganda. If they had their way, they would abandon the somali language if they could. that’s why they welcome ajnabis to their land, and deport somalis. and why they sponsor al shabab and make up most of the leadership.
Hamzza
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2020 and 2021 between Saleban and Ceyr in Xananbuure. Hawiye unity is a myth, no one believes it in real life except maybe the 16-year-old kids on this forum.
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bidenkulaha
GalYare
Some clashes between two HG subs years ago doesn’t say anything about hawiye bigger picture lol. HG is a sub and all subs have political or baadiyo clashes once in a while given we live in the same cities and have to power share between just us.
HAG however hasn’t got any problems right now. Best it’s been for a long while. Thanks to HSM they’re moving in one direction politically. It’s in all HAG benefit to build a strong FGS with a strong GM+HS+Banadir state.
I probably would say the least HAG sub is Murusade. Those guys currently defo are lacking political representation given they’re split between Hiraab in Xamar and are under Shabaab in GM, which they won’t be president of anyway.
Hamzza
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But intra-HG political problems are inevitable with Qoorqoors term coming to an end this year. Sacads have lost patience and will not tolerate Salebans childish tendencies anymore, they are coming for Qoorqoors position. Ceyr leftirkooda are waiting for Galmudug's presidency they want both the capital and the president. When Qoorqoor is removed I expect Saleebaan to put Isbaaro in Cadaado and Galmudug to return to its Pre-Farmajo state.
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bidenkulaha
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Yh no, we’ll move to 1m1v next election. And Cayr as the biggest clan (more than Saleebaan and Sacad put together) will win. Either Mahad Salad or AAW imo.
Every time ‘hawiye’ is mentioned , that era is always referred back by the two of you every time. It seems very personal for you guys 
Youre talking about fugitives. Somalia Itlaina should extradite those fugitive MPs and the fugitive shabaabists who dont represent JSL
The other guy said reer Boorame were karbaashed into submitting under JSL and I said reer Boorame mujaahidiin liberated Boorame. Who is wrong and why didnt your repsond to him
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Im actually unionist so I wont argue with you about why JSL should reunite with Somali Italiana but I have address your dangerous attitude against your own people
I think you suffer from an inferiority complex. The XSM government is entirely funded by beesha dhexe Somaalia Italiana. JL/PL contribute nothing his coffers. No body can oust XSM. He controls the security. He can fire PM tonight. The only way he gets removed is with a super majority. About 1/5 of parliament seats belong to his people. Another 1/5 belong to JSL fugitives. He only needs about half the JSL fugitives to survive impeachment. XSM is unstoppable.
But youre not really against XSM impeachment. Youre believe that XSM has to appease people who dont pay taxes and regions his government ministers are banned from whenever the regional governor cuts ties with the FGS and that actually happened alot in XSM 1st presdiency. You suffer from an inferiority complex
@The Midlands believes his Hiiraan allies are the peripheral communities of Somalia Italiana. He thinks XSM and anyone from beesha dhexe will deny him Hiirshabeele rights even though the guy who demoted reer Beledweyne was Somalia Italiana's previous president MrCheese
Muqdisho shared interest is key
Its why the other group is not a a community/clan but a confederation of clans/communities with some that are centralist like Formaggio some are clan confederalist some are usinb Kiinya to bomg Gedo and Gedo is using Xabashistan, and then we have the patriotic pro JSL folks in Laas Caanood facing off against rioters from southern Xuddun.
If we wanted to compare confederations then beesha dhexe Somalia Italiana are part of the Samaale/Irir confederation who make up a majority of Somaliweyn Samaale does not include beesha dhexe Soomaliland
You want everyone to act like it never happened because deep down you are ashamed of your demonic USC elders, but people like me and @repo will make sure people never forget about what you guys did.
You want to whitewash history and act like miskeen wadanis.
USC certainly made mistakes especially in Gaalkacyo but what happened in Muqdisho was mostly Afweyne's fault .i.e gradual breakdown of law and order in his last few years then he turned the multi clan/confederation liberation war ugly by crying tollaahayey and that eventually led to minorities from all clans ran ran away from Muqdisho's mayhem
I.e. they are not a community/clan they are a confederationor or isbahaysi with variegated interests where as beesha dhexe Somalia Italiana have a common interest in Muqdisho as their metropolis and the eternal capital of their nation
Im unionist so I wont argue for JSL seperaton from Somaalia Italiana but I want to again note your penchant for opposing the interests of beesha dhexe Somalia Italiana
What you now have in Somaalia Italiana is asymmetric federalism/confederalism. Your previous president Mr Cheese ran HS/GM/KG paper states where as PL/JL were de facto independent states.
Youre not saying anything about de facto independence and/or Kiinya/Xabashistaan occupation of 2 FMS but youre vehemently against Somaalia Italiana recognizing the de facto dissolution of the 1960 union
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Its more of a reality than the Jabarti unity that Afweyne wanted. They all have a common interest in Muqdisho. But on the brightside Jabarti/Daarood unity is as much of a myth as Samaale/Irir unity which is actually a good thing for you because they would outnumber your people many times in case another Afweyne like figure cries tollaahayey
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We know which tribe raises their kids with unadultered tribalism and hates all other somalis.
We also know which tribe openly invites foreigners to occupy Somalia
And we know who signed off somali regions to the foreigners
And last but not least, after losing to SNM and USC. The darood met with Meles Zenawi who vowed to get revenge on the hawiye on behalf of the darood. Which is why your cousins in this thread keeps mentioning 1991, as pointed out by @Prince of HS .We know Abdullahi Yusuf bringing the ethiopians to kill over 20,000 hawiyes was the revenge that Melese Zenawi promised to the darood
The Midlands
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You don't understand Somali politics its based on 4.5 there is nothing called "beesha dhexe ee Somalia"
Ciise with 8 seats in the parliament have more influence than Murusade who has 7 seats!
Infact like you stated yourself hawiye paper states are the weakest link and Xamar is under Amisom if they don't change the security in their first term they will be throwing out by Amisom and SL is the biggest obstacle to improve the security how can you expect us to give you ictiraaf when you are behind Shabaab?
No one gives you a ictiraaf at the expense of his interests such as the political stability and elections. You must strive for that and be part of the SFG and ally with Hawiye and D&M in Parliament plus your Dir seats who are the same size of Daarood to pass your project from within the SFG. To do this you don't even need to be an FMS. Through negotiations with the SFG you can reach an agreement to be part of Somalia for a transitional period of five years or 11 years like South Sudan did after which an independent referendum will be held for SL.. a coalition between the SFG under the current Govt and SL will cooperate in the Parliament to implement this agreemet. It will be a comprehensive and constitutional agreement if the parliament approves so they can't withhold confidence from the government. Why Hassan Sh has to antagonize Daarood and risk on something he has no interest in it? this is what we are against it. Stop looking for ictiraaf sadaqo ah
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Sharing Muqdisho common interest makes them an entity called beesha dhexe compared. But the macawiisleey have not compleeted the process of turning them 1 beel compared to the variery of interests/beelnimo that exists between the confederation made up of pro Kiinya Kismaayo, pro Xabashi western Gedo, and clan confederalist/independent PL
Fugitives. How many times do I have to say deport/extrafite/punish the fugitives both the shabaabists and the fugitive MPs and stop blaming JSL when those fugituves help the enemies of beesha dhexe Somalia Italiana
No one gives you a ictiraaf at the expense of his interests such as the political stability and elections. You must strive for that and be part of the SFG and ally with Hawiye and D&M in Parliament plus your Dir seats who are the same size of Daarood to pass your project from within the SFG. To do this you don't even need to be an FMS. Through negotiations with the SFG you can reach an agreement to be part of Somalia for a transitional period of five years or 11 years like South Sudan did after which an independent referendum will be held for SL.. a coalition between the SFG under the current Govt and SL will cooperate in the Parliament to implement this agreemet. It will be a comprehensive and constitutional agreement if the parliament approves so they can't withhold confidence from the government. Why Hassan Sh has to antagonize Daarood and risk on something he has no interest in it? this is what we are against it. Stop looking for ictiraaf sadaqo ah
Im actually unionist
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But again as I told you the Qoslaaye government's stability depends entire on beesha dhexe. The 1st thing he has to do is pass Benaadir statehood. Its intolerable that beesha dhexe Somalia Italiana i.e. beesha HS/Bebaadie/GM have about 1/5 of the Somalia Itsliana Senate compared to the 1/3 for the main confederation/communities of PL/JL
He has to pass Benaadir statehood and give beesha dhexe plurality in the senate. In
Pax Somaliana Italiana. Beesha dhexe peace
You’re basically saying as a unionist isaaq you want Hawiye to politically sideline daarood and Dm and then divide the power between isaaq controlled north and southern controlled Hawiye?
like our ustaad the midlands would say, you have to work for it there’s no free sadaqo.
You’re basically saying as a unionist isaaq you want Hawiye to politically sideline daarood and Dm and then divide the power between isaaq controlled north and southern controlled Hawiye?
like our ustaad the midlands would say, you have to work for it there’s no free sadaqo.
I never called for that neither. I just said it was shameful @The Midlands wanted to give away the capital I asked him maxaad ugu nacamlaynaysa agoontaJaalle Afweyne oo yidhi beesha dhexe waa dugaag oo caasimadda ha la bedalo and then I demonstrated that the Somaalia Italiana government taxes/controls only beesha dhexe so why shouldnt representation reciprocate taxation. If youre from 1 of the Somalia Italiana peripheral communities JL/PL or youre a JSL fugitive there is nothing you can do about it
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