Do Salafis Really Follow the Salaf?

[Omar del Sur]

This is not of course Al Qurtubis views he believes rulers should not be fought unless they commit kufr bwah. This is merely him narrating a well known historical event. Btw Al Qurtubis tafseer with the tafseer Al Jalalayn of Suyuti(another) are popular with Salafis and Read on every mosque and university of Madina. So this is a moot point and unexpectedly low quality reply from you

The salafis need to take a harder line when it comes to Asharism and this includes a harder line when it comes to Qurtubi. I do not believe Qurtubi was from ahlus sunnah and I think this is lenient considering what he said in terms of aqeedah.

 

[Omar del Sur]

 

[hanif#]

The salafis need to take a harder line when it comes to Asharism and this includes a harder line when it comes to Qurtubi. I do not believe Qurtubi was from ahlus sunnah and I think this is lenient considering what he said in terms of aqeedah.

What about Nawawi Ibn Hajr and Co?

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

firstly- we need to follow the salaf. following the salaf means following the salaf. and I've said it before-



in this thread, I want to discuss two topics where many modern day Salafis have a different approach than the salaf.

1- Abu Hanifa.

and it's been shown in another thread btw how Abu Hanifa promoted rebellion against Muslim rulers. Imam Hanbal opposed him on this and I believe Abu Hanifa was really seriously wrong on this issue. and I do think it's a khariji view. anyways, I want to show here- look at how the salaf talked about Abu Hanifa and look at how the modern Salafi scholars (many not all) talk about Abu Hanifa

You're making zero sense, Salafis are one regardless of eras wether current day or from 6th hijri century, only those who follow the quran and sunnah upon understanding of salaf are salafi nothing else , if they're upon other than that then they won't be salafi

 

[Omar del Sur]

What about Nawawi Ibn Hajr and Co?

Them too, of course.

 

[hanif#]

This is deflection from the topic. We are not interested in Qurtubes Aqida. He was Ashari. He was not Sunni. So what?

But if you ignore all Asharis you will be left with not scholarship so you need to be lenient towards them for your own benefit

 

[Omar del Sur]

This is deflection from the topic. We are not interested in Qurtubes Aqida. He was Ashari. He was not Sunni. So what?

But if you ignore all Asharis you will be left with not scholarship so you need to be lenient towards them for your own benefit

Deflection from the topic. I will always deflect anarchy and chaos from the Muslim society insha'Allah. Deflecting the destruction of Muslim societies is what's supposed to be done. There is no point in trying to push me to endorse chaos and destruction of Muslim societies; I will dodge all such efforts like I'm Neo insha'Allah

 

[Garaad Awal]

Interesting debate and a good thread from brother @Omar del Sur

 

[hanif#]

Deflection from the topic. I will always deflect anarchy and chaos from the Muslim society insha'Allah. Deflecting the destruction of Muslim societies is what's supposed to be done. There is no point in trying to push me to endorse chaos and destruction of Muslim societies; I will dodge all such efforts like I'm Neo insha'Allah


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[Haragwaafi]

if you want to know what I'm talking about, you simply have to watch the videos. before anyone makes any post attacking this thread or whatever- and if you see such a post- watch the two videos in the first post and the video in this post before you form a conclusion.

ok. Abu Hanifa is the first topic.

second topic- Is Iblis an angel?

this may shock many people but the salaf actually believed that Iblis is an angel. not all of them but to my understanding it was the majority opinion. and this was held by scholars like Ibn Abbas. this is another topic where many modern "salafis" have a different viewpoint than the salaf as the video below shows.

Ibn Baz didn't say that anyone can go and check archival records of him answering questions website and se it for yourself

هل إبليس من الجن أم من الملائكة؟

الجواب: إبليس مثلما قال الله: كَانَ مِنَ الْجِنِّ [الكهف:50] قيل: إنهم طائفة... الجن، وقيل:

binbaz.org.sa

 

[Omar del Sur]

and this was held by scholars like Ibn Abbas.

Ibn Baz didn't say that

I didn't say Ibn Baz, I said Ibn Abbas. Those are two different people.