Do Somalis even deserve to have a state or country?

[Steamdevolopment]

Thats where you can negotiate for free health care free education no taxes social welfare etc.

Never. I rather die with my dignity than be the slave of an Ethiopian.

 

[iui]

Never. I rather die with my dignity than be the slave of an Ethiopian.

A well fed slave

 

[Steamdevolopment]

A well fed slave

The ghost of @cannuck you know what you most do

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Perhaps we need to abandon Somali nationalism? Never in history have we formed a state based on Somalinimo, that much can be true. But on the other hand, we formed states with Hararis, Arabs, Afars based on our ties in Islam and our common threat of Christians.

The Soviet Union used us and made us fight Ethiopia, they supplied us and gave us weapons and knew that it would be used to fight Ethiopia. All so they can get a foothold in Ethiopia. We were fooled. The war was disastrous.

 

[iui]

Perhaps we need to abandon Somali nationalism? Never in history have we formed a state based on Somalinimo, that much can be true. But on the other hand, we formed states with Hararis, Arabs, Afars based on our ties in Islam and our common threat of Christians.

If there is no nationalism then what is the point then . Isn't nationalism the corner stone of a nation .

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

If there is no nationalism then what is the point then . Isn't nationalism the corner stone of a nation .

Nationalism is a European concept, it didn't exist in most of the world.

 

[iui]

The ghost of @cannuck you know what you most do

Am new to the site so don't get the reference

 

[McLovin]

Tfw Ajuran was a hydraulic empire but geeljires today can barely dig a well without european help and are still using kacaan era wells

 

[iui]

Nationalism is a European concept, it didn't exist in most of the world.

Yes but we are the only ones failing at it . And now it exists in all of the world .

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Am new to the site so don't get the reference

She hates Ethiopians more than Trump hates bad press, she'll eat you right up boy

 

[iui]

She hates Ethiopians more than Trump hates bad press, she'll eat you right up boy

Ooo I remebered her lol the meat lady

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Ooo I remebered her lol the meat lady

All ladies are meat ladies......but some like the occasional fish

 

[iui]

All ladies are meat ladies......but some like the occasional fish

well more power to them .

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Perhaps we need to abandon Somali nationalism? Never in history have we formed a state based on Somalinimo, that much can be true. But on the other hand, we formed states with Hararis, Arabs, Afars based on our ties in Islam and our common threat of Christians.

The Soviet Union used us and made us fight Ethiopia, they supplied us and gave us weapons and knew that it would be used to fight Ethiopia. All so they can get a foothold in Ethiopia. We were fooled. The war was disastrous.

You could argue the Somali "Dervish" state was based on Somalinimo. Even though they lasted for a short period of time.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Yes but we are the only ones failing at it . And now it exist in all of the world .

I don't think so. The Dervish state was based on Islam, the Sayyid saw the mercenaries converting Somalis into Christianity and he also was angry that these Christians were taxing people in Berbera port.

The Adal empire was based on Islam, and had many ethnic groups though it was dominated and led by Somalis.

The Ajuuran empire was based on Islam, and had many ethnic groups thought it was dominated and led by Somalis.

This overzealous sense of nationalism and loving your ethnic group is a European concept. We were defeating the Portuguese in naval battles, the only hydraulic empire in Africa, but now we are a failed state getting colonized by third world countries.

 

[waraabe]

No offence but you can't have a united country when some of the citizens look after their own interests while others look after the interest of everyone

 

[Steamdevolopment]

No offence but you can't have a united country when some of the citizens look after their own interests while others look after the interest of everyone

For the first time in a long time, you're speaking the truth

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

"Goan Bogame is situated in the Las Anod District, near Gubyaley. It contains the ruins of a large ancient city with around two hundred buildings. The structures were built in an architectural style similar to that of the edifices in Mogadishu's old Hamar Weine and Shangani districts."

I just want to know what caused us to abandon civilization in favour of camel herding.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

I don't think so. The Dervish state was based on Islam, the Sayyid saw the mercenaries converting Somalis into Christianity and he also was angry that these Christians were taxing people in Berbera port.

The Adal empire was based on Islam, and had many ethnic groups though it was dominated and led by Somalis.

The Ajuuran empire was based on Islam, and had many ethnic groups thought it was dominated and led by Somalis.

This overzealous sense of nationalism and loving your ethnic group is a European concept. We were defeating the Portuguese in naval battles, the only hydraulic empire in Africa, but now we are a failed state getting colonized by third world countries.

I agree with the earlier kingdoms being united primarily by Islam. However, there was an element of nationalism in the Dervish movement, since he was fighting only for Somali muslims & used Islam as a unifier to mold all the different qabiils into one fighting force.

As for nationalism itself, i'd agrue its not a purely European concept. Many other races & cultures that have a history of being a nation-state, such as Iran, China, Abysinnia e.g. have utilised nationalism to maintain their independence & wage wars against foreigners. The Europeans just perfected the art of nationalism when they began modernising in the 19th century.

 

[Apollo]

Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, and a should just merge into a pan-Cushitic Empire.

+100 million stronk.