Also, both look down on trades, manual labor and any hands on work (backbone of every countries).East Africans and gulf Arabs are the laziest people you’ll ever meet
Also, both look down on trades, manual labor and any hands on work (backbone of every countries).East Africans and gulf Arabs are the laziest people you’ll ever meet
That is still ridiculously expensive. Its double the price per kwh of Kenya who is something like 10x as expensive as Ethiopia and they still failed to industrialize.
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This is not even true.Somalias solar investments is useful for old samsungs and lightbulbs but its not large enough, has no transmission between cities, and worst of all has no means of storing the energy.
Our exceptional private market can never bridge the gap between us and our neighbors no matter how incompetent their governments have been.
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Unfortunately, they're lazy, unambitious, and uninspiring people, like 10x more the African and Black standard. Of course their business ideas will reflect that. For example, you would be shocked at the amount of unemployed or underemployed Somalis who have degrees, including master's or STEM degrees, while their thick accented, Black, immigrant, foreign-educated counterparts are more successful than western born Somalis. They can't blame racism. Somalis are allergic to effort which explains the popularity of starting coffee shops and hotels.
Tech start-ups are sprouting across the country, offering innovative solutions to everyday challenges. From mobile money services to online marketplaces, these businesses are not only creating jobs but also fostering a culture of innovation. Moreover, the Somali diaspora is playing a crucial role in this tech boom. Many Somalis who had fled the country during the conflict are now returning, bringing with them skills, experiences, and connections that are invaluable to the country’s development.
That's why the gulf Arabs have American and European engineers and other foreigners working for them in their industries. With all that oil money they could have produced their own engineers and scientists as well as industries. They even need US military protection despite spending tens of billions of dollars purchasing high tech American and other western military tech. Iranian who have been under heavy sanctions for close to 50 years produces it own technology and have great engineers and scientists who can reverse engineer technologies. Gulf Arabs are just useless people who won the lottery with oil. Had it not been for oil they'd been as poor as Yemen.East Africans and gulf Arabs are the laziest people you’ll ever meet
Are we actually comparing Kenyas energy infrastructure to Beco and company? The price reduction isnt the important part its the scale. If I sell 10 kilos of rice in Baydhabo for 3 cents each can I say rice is only 3 cents compared to Philadelphias dollar and thus more food secure?Are we seeing the same numbers? The price has come down substantially and it keeps going down
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Heres a site to calculate your cost of electricity in Kenya per KWH over time.And it's cheaper than Kenya
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You realize this is a 10MW solar plant right? The energy storage is even less. Kenya has blackouts because its electricity is producing 20Billion+ in industry alone and another 50 in services whilst serving 10s of millions. Our access to electricity doesnt matter because it isnt abundant, available, reliable on a large scale, or productive.This is not even true.
Do you guys even attempt to do even a smidget amount of research? before you come to these conclusions. They have storage capacity.
They have built larger-scale solar power plant, storage solar battery facilitates and solar farms. That are designed to power cities, towns , businesses , factories and industries. Not just homes or appliances.
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Somalia Launches Tender for 10 MW Hybrid Solar-Plus-Storage Plant
Discover the innovative project in Somalia to develop a 10 MW hybrid solar-plus-storage plant, helping to drive the country's renewable energy goals.solarquarter.com
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Somalia: New solar energy plant crucial to combatting shortages
A solar energy project with a production capacity of 3.5MW was recently inaugurated in Somalia to meet Puntland's electricity needs.www.esi-africa.com
Not only that a lot of them are hybrid systems that combine it wind energy and bio energy.
Also read your own graph more , its more about recommendation on how to use solar energy throughout the day or store Solar energy or combine it with other alternatives.
As it says
#Overproduction of solar power during the day can be utilized by improving batteries and grid storage capacity"
More info on how commercial businesses and manufacturing plants utilize solar power
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Wallahi facts I’m not joking all the architects that Design those skyscrapers in Dubai and Saudi are American all the financial consultants and investors are from New York etcThat's why the gulf Arabs have American and European engineers and other foreigners working for them in their industries. With all that oil money they could have produced their own engineers and scientists as well as industries. They even need US military protection despite spending tens of billions of dollars purchasing high tech American and other western military tech. Iranian who have been under heavy sanctions for close to 50 years produces it own technology and have great engineers and scientists who can reverse engineer technologies. Gulf Arabs are just useless people who won the lottery with oil. Had it not been for oil they'd been as poor as Yemen.
Somalia if it ever gets rich will either get dutch disease like Nigeria or we’ll be a fake boom bust economy dependent on real estate ,finances and cheap foreign labour like Canada /UKAlso, both look down on trades, manual labor and any hands on work (backbone of every countries).
Are we actually comparing Kenyas energy infrastructure to Beco and company?
The price reduction isnt the important part its the scale.
If I sell 10 kilos of rice in Baydhabo for 3 cents each can I say rice is only 3 cents compared to Philadelphias dollar and thus more food secure?
Somalia has a similar solar capacity to Garissa (atleast as of 23) but a population of 15 million. This is the electrified free market paradise where people in Baadiyo have better access to affordable
and reliable electricity then people
in Nairobi a city with 97% access to electricity and an average price of ~22 cents all around?!
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Heres a site to calculate your cost of electricity in Kenya per KWH over time.
These are articles and videos explaining the cost increase and decreases in Kenyas electricity. The second link is how you can understand the hidden costs and tariffs within it.
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You realize this is a 10MW solar plant right? The energy storage is even less. Kenya has blackouts because its electricity is producing 20Billion+ in industry alone and another 50 in services whilst serving 10s of millions. Our access to electricity doesnt matter because it isnt abundant, available, reliable on a large scale, or productive.
100% of Somalias ‘affordable energy’ is renewables that are significantly less reliable then hydro and geothermal which is what kenya relies on. Meaning if they expand their grid with just Solar and wind the ~2-3 GW of reliable energy will be more then enough to stabilize their grid. Will we be relying on Lithium-ion batteries as a replacement?
These are clearly aid projects meant to keep us above water not infrastructure to build a complex economy.
During the summit, local companies such as Hormuud Telecom, Salaam Somali Bank, Beco, and Buruj participated in panel discussions about investment opportunities in Somalia. They stated that they have invested over $2.5 billion in the country's core infrastructures in the past 20 years, in sectors like Telecom, Energy, Finance, and Construction to name a few contributing significantly to the reconstruction and development of Somalia.
According to Mohamed Sadiq, the Director of International Relations of Beco electricity company, it has invested $170 million to develop the country's electricity network. In addition, he mentioned that the company recently signed a contract worth $220 million to invest in green energy.
The extensive self-investment, paired with a decentralized distribution model, has enabled Somalia’s ESPs to bring energy access to millions of households over a short period.
For example, in 2016 the National Electric Cooperation of Somalia (NECSOM) in Garowe City in northeastern Somalia invested US$6 million on hybrid wind and solar as well as the battery storage capacity needed to deploy them efficiently. According to the company, an additional 2 megawatts (MW) of renewable energy has resulted in an annual increase of 14–24 percent in connections.
Businesses began establishing their own power generation facilities, some of which expanded into slightly larger “mini-grids” that also supplied their surrounding communities with electricity. As those mini-grids became more reliable than government-owned power plants, regional governments sold or handed over their power plants to the private sector.
When these mini-grids first emerged, many of them were operating in the same cities but via separate distribution networks. Realizing how wasteful it was to operate separately in the same locations, mini-grids in major cities decided to merge into metro-grids, also known as Electricity Service Providers (ESPs). Major ESPs such as Banadir Electric Company (BECO) and SomPower emerged from dozens of mini-grids operating in the same areas.
Yeah, Somalis clearly "look down" on trades and manual work , that's why trade schools across Somalia are exploding with enrollments, why local youths are flocking to technical training, and why the construction industry is one of the biggest economic drivers in the country.Also, both look down on trades, manual labor and any hands on work (backbone of every countries).
They are not mostly madow weyne which i assume is some weird racist code word Somali bantus.
Somali construction workers in Mogadishu
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Strengthening vocational education and training in Somalia
The project focuses on improving the public vocational education and training system in terms of its governance, quality and access.www.giz.de
Somali construction workers in Garowe/Puntland
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You can literally see this for yourself, and visit various construction company websites where they show videos and galleries of their laborers and team in action.
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Gallery - Albashid Constructions
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Buruuj Construction and Real Estate – Buruuj Construction and Real Estate
Buruuj Construction and Real Estateburuuj.so
It's just local Somalis of all stripes doing the work for the most part and the ones who actually opt for unskilled labour low wage work the most is actually Somalis of poorer less well off backgrounds that are desperate for employment opportunities to support themselves with, while the construction managers, technician builders and civil engineers managing those sites come from more educated skilled backgrounds and in many cases graduates of universities or vocational schools.
Somalia if it ever gets rich will either get dutch disease like Nigeria or we’ll be a fake boom bust economy dependent on real estate ,finances and cheap foreign labour like Canada /UK
Don't bother. A lot of the self hating diasporas won't care. They love shitting on somaliaPeople who have not gone back home, barely participate in Somali society, and can't even speak Somali stating that we don't value manual labour and trades this is so embarrassing. Maybe your regions don't value it but I see so many regions that value these jobs. Who else was building up our cities when it got bombed? When they destroyed our homes? Well it was Somalis rebuilding the roads, the houses, the schools etc. If you guys even stayed back home longer than a 4 months you would clearly see. I lived there 2 years and I saw how they worked hard. I also saw how rich people love to exploit cheap slave labour and undercut funding to projects. This is the same case in Canada. People want to work and are working but they are getting replaced by people who are willing to do less than their rate. How can a miskeen Aabo feed his family if the laborious job he does pays pennies and destroys his health at the same time?
This thread is so annoying. Let Somalis have their little niche
Yeah but it's clear this a market somalis have specialised in to cater to demands of SomalisThere is no niche, hotels and coffee shops are common business everyone globally engages in. It is driven by a demand.
and it's not the sole business Somali engages in and i shown plenty examples throughout the thread.
Yeah but it's clear this a market somalis have specialised in to cater to demands of Somalis
No, Somalia does not boast greater accessibility or affordability.Nobody claimed Somalia's current grid is larger than Kenya’s. You are confusing national energy scale with local access and efficiency.
What was being argued is affordable, scalable, decentralized energy growth. Somalia’s private sector is solving access and affordability faster WITHOUT heavy government infrastructure.
That apples to oranges is what im talking about.Garissa solar plant (Kenya) serves one specific region. Somalia’s solar rollout is decentralized , with hundreds of private operators spreading access across towns and rural areas.
Comparing a centralized plant to a network of distributed grids is apples and oranges. Somalia’s decentralized system is exactly why even remote areas have affordable electricity now.
Lithium batteries lose 2-3% of their capacity every year even when unused.They are building many multiple 3MW, 5MW, 10MW, , 14MW, 20MW projects spread across the place, , creating a distributed grid model
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You single out one specific project when there is multiple ones
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Better 10MW×50 decentralized than 500MW centralized prone to collapse.
What proof do you have they are less reliable? They have new battery tech, hybrid systems, and modular expansion make it scalable and future-proof.
Hybrid solar projects are increasingly paired with storage batteries and backup diesel or biomass, ensuring 24/7 coverage
Somalia’s hybrid renewable systems are modular, combining solar, wind, storage, and backup.
As battery technology improves and costs fall, Somalia’s grid will actually become MORE reliable than old hydro.
Microgrids are useful for residential use. That is the demand they are filling but thats not whats being discussed.Also, Kenya’s hydro is unreliable too it fails during droughts (like in 2019 and 2022).
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Drought affects hydroelectricity generation in Kenya
Kenyan Cabinet Secretary Charles Keter says Kenya will soon have to reduce its dependency on hydroelectricity generation because of low water levels.www.esi-africa.com
Also Somalia has a smaller population than kenya 18 million vs 55 million. Somalia does not need a massive 3-5 GW centralized system. Decentralized micro-grids fit Somalia’s needs better for now and can scale as demand grows
Somalia’s decentralized model is building toward productivity , small factories, cold chains, internet expansion, etc.
It’s not "only survival"; it's building a sustainable base like other early-stage industrial economies.
Hydropower globally is being questioned because of climate change variability , even rich countries are diversifying because of the drought risk.
Decentralized energy is also the future globally, not just for Somalia (even the EU and USA are promoting microgrids now).
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Beyond the Grid: The Case for Decentralized Energy Systems - EIS
Discover how decentralized energy systems enhance resilience and energy security, drive sustainability, and empower local communities.eiscouncil.org
Technologically speaking , Somalia is leapfrogging to flexible energy in many ways adapting to the future.
DEBT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOOD!!!Most Somali renewable energy investments are private-sector funded, not aid-based. Some projects are donor-supported initially (like everywhere!)
Companies like BECO, SomPower, BlueSky, NESCOM and others charge customers directly , not funded by NGOs.
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You know what's ironic about this aid claim, is that you don't realize that Kenya’s energy sector has been heavily funded by foreign loans (Chinese loans, World Bank, AfDB).
Not only does various foreign corparations own large shares in Kenya's energy sector, but it owes debt, large amounts of debt to foreign Energy firms
This is why energy company in Kenya rather than reducing or cutting cost hike up prices
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Kenya Power Warns of 30% Increase in Electricity Prices Amid Mounting Wayleave Charges and Debt Crisis - Serrari Group
Kenya Power warns a 30% tariff rise if county wayleave charges apply, risking higher costs for industries and consumersserrarigroup.com
Not a critique its just not relevant. The context of this conversation is why Somalis dont diversify their businesses into other sectors.So criticizing Somalia for accepting small private-public funding partnerships is hypocritical, especially when most of the money/funding actually comes from diverse group of local private companies that invest in eachother and the country's infrastructure.
More on the extensive self-investment in energy sector
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Private Sector Power Players: Somalia’s Energy Sector is Ready for Investment
Learn why the future is bright for investment in Somalia’s energy sector and how USAID and the Power Africa East Africa Energy Program are making it possible. Read more.www.rti.org
More or less what i said already: It actually shows how innovative Somalis are.
No, Somalia does not boast greater accessibility or affordability.
That apples to oranges is what im talking about.
Lithium batteries lose 2-3% of their capacity every year even when unused.
There is a reason the world is desperately trying to innovate grid energy storage solutions for renewables. Nothing about Lithium-ion is new or reliable. They are consistently in need of replacement.
Microgrids are useful for residential use. That is the demand they are filling but thats not whats being discussed.
Hydro/Geothermal are reliable Kenya just has poor planning. They have those problems because they used that foundation of hydro/geothermal as the sole generator for years so when consumption grew and a drought came they had issues.
DEBT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOOD!!!
DEBT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOOD!!!
PLEASE GIVE ME DEBT!!!
Not a critique its just not relevant. The context of this conversation is why Somalis dont diversify their businesses into other sectors.
The point is no government, no energy, no industry. Somalia has lower access, affordability overall, and installed capacity. We are the opposite of Ethiopias problem of a dead private sector we have a dead public sector.
You in a roundabout way agreed that we do not produce nearly enough and you probably are aware we cant increase fast enough through quasi anarcho-capitalism. I don’t know whats even being argued at this point. Is it for privatized utilities? Is it for decentralized mini-solar farms? Is it to praise Somalia? Is it for lithium-ion batteries as storage?