do you believe somalis originated in the north or the south?

[Timo Jareer and proud]

From the Iranian amazon my Persian kang

Vetnam, vetnam, vetnam!

 

[4head]

Autosomally/maternally, you guys took the same route, but your T sub-sub-clade may be from a two thousand year old Yemenite who did a YemenExit.

So Isaaq niggaz can say WE WUZ KANGS?
@CaliTedesse my nigga, you wuz right, ya akhy

 

[Pastoralite]

Where da bantu and north african wymen at then if we took over most of Africa?
Those bantu ladies

We’ll turn the north african women into concubines and deport all the bantu women to Detroit

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Autosomally/maternally, you guys took the same route, but paternally your T sub-sub-clade forefather may be from a two thousand year old Yemenite who did a YemenExit.

Holy shit @CaliTedesse we iz actually Arabs and shiet!

 

[Apollo]

Holy shit @CaliTedesse we iz actually Arabs and shiet!

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Arabic is from Jordan/North Saudi Arabia. They are the true true Arabs.

Yemenites were cucks who got Arabized and lost their original South Semitic language. So @CaliTedesse (the Arabic-phile) your two thousand year old T ancestor likely did not speak Arabic, but an extinct South Semite dialect.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

@CaliTedesse @4head https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himyarite_Kingdom

We Wuz Middle Eastern Jewz bismillah.

 

[Cauli]

Arabic is from Jordan/North Saudi Arabia. They are the true true Arabs.

Yemenites were cucks who got Arabized and lost their original South Semitic language. So @CaliTedesse (the Arabic-phile) your two thousand year old T ancestor likely did not speak Arabic, but an extinct South Semite dialect.

Haplogroup T in the Horn of Africa existed before the Cushitic identity was formed. It is IMPOSSIBLE that we were Semitic.

 

[Apollo]

Haplogroup T in the Horn of Africa existed before the Cushitic identity was formed. It is IMPOSSIBLE that we were Semitic.

I was for that theory for a very long time, until @anonimo (a Somali T guy who posts here) convinced me it is South Semitic. He made a good case for it.

Honestly I am not sure whether it took the Egypt-Sudan-Horn route or the Levant-Arabia-Horn route.

 

[Cauli]

I was of that theory for a very long time, until @anonimo convinced me it is South Semitic. He made a good case of it.

Honestly, I am not sure whether it took the Egypt-Sudan-Horn route or Levant-Arabia-Horn route.

Haplogroup T is non existent in South Arabia today. Haplogroup T in Yemen is 0%. Whereas T existed in North East Africa for thousands of years.

T = South Arabia is suugo science. Trying to claim tat Arab ancestor crap.

 

[Apollo]

Haplogroup T is non existent in South Arabia today. Haplogroup T in Yemen is 0%. Whereas T existed in North East Africa for thousands of years.

T = South Arabia is suugo science. Trying to claim tat Arab ancestor crap.

There is an extreme lack of samples on the T tree. We will have to wait and see. But @anonimo thinks it is South Semitic. Specifically about T-Y45591.

Not my theory, I was originally on team Egypt-North Sudan for it.

 

[CaliTedesse]

Arabic is from Jordan/North Saudi Arabia. They are the true true Arabs.

Yemenites were cucks who got Arabized and lost their original South Semitic language. So @CaliTedesse (the Arabic-phile) your two thousand year old T ancestor likely did not speak Arabic, but an extinct South Semite dialect.

LMFAOOOOOOOO @Arabicphile

 

[Cauli]

There is an extreme lack of samples on the T tree. We will have to wait and see. But @anonimo thinks it is South Semitic. Specifically about T-Y45591.

He needs to bring the evidence because its FAKE NEWS. He probably wants an Arab ancestry.

 

[CaliTedesse]

@CaliTedesse @4head https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himyarite_Kingdom

We Wuz Middle Eastern Jewz bismillah.

I love Himyarite history bro walle bille. akhi

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

He needs to bring the evidence because its FAKE NEWS. He probably wants an Arab ancestry.

Hey, I know it's hard to believe but......

Your a Jew decedent.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Noah saw docked in hadhromout yemen, somalis are hamites, hence from yemen. All afroasiates originated from Noah.

 

[Manafesto]

Somalis originated from northern part of Somalia specifically Bari and Sanaag regions, we even have the graves of most prominent ancestors of Darood in Bari, this proves the theory of where we originally inhabited and we later immigrated to the south.

When the Europeans first invade the US they first settled the north parts of the country and moved down south and into California after 100 years of their arrival.

 

[towerheist]

@Apollo does this mean that af-may is the old af-soomaali. Because af-may is close to borana and other Eastern-Oromo dialects. It must be closer to purest form of af-Soomaali. Am I right in assuming this?

 

[anonimo]

I was for that theory for a very long time, until @anonimo (a Somali T guy who posts here) convinced me it is South Semitic. He made a good case for it.

Honestly I am not sure whether it took the Egypt-Sudan-Horn route or the Levant-Arabia-Horn route.

FOR THE RECORD.

Never made such a claim.

The only thing I feel relatively confident about is that we might not have been present in Africa roughly 7000 ybp.

As for our ancient Semitic/Eurasian origin, my guess is that Y16897 in general is more North Semitic in origin as it becomes more diverse the further North you go.

T-Y45591 requires a couple more Somali samples. However, I am pretty confident that the TMRCA of our subclade will be younger that the T-Y45591 subclade that we share with the Saudi sample from Mecca.

The main reason why I suggested that a more recent Middle Eastern ancestry should not be completely discounted is that as a youngish founder effect, there is every possibility that our lineage was brought to the shores of Northern Somalia via the Red Sea. If older T-Y45591 samples are discovered in other parts of Africa, this line of thought will obviously be obsolete.

 

[Apollo]

@Apollo does this mean that af-may is the old af-soomaali. Because af-may is close to borana and other Eastern-Oromo dialects. It must be closer to purest form of af-Soomaali. Am I right in assuming this?

The time frame I am hypothesizing in is before the existence of the Maay or Maxa language.

FOR THE RECORD.
Never made such a claim.

The only thing I feel relatively confident about is that we might not have been present in Africa roughly 7000 ybp.

As for our ancient Semitic/Eurasian origin, my guess is that Y16897 in general is more North Semitic in origin as it becomes more diverse the further North you go.

T-Y45591 requires a couple more Somali samples. However, I am pretty confident that the TMRCA of our subclade will be younger that the T-Y45591 subclade that we share with the Saudi sample from Mecca.

The main reason why I suggested that a more recent Middle Eastern ancestry should not be completely discounted is that as a youngish founder effect, there is every possibility that our lineage was brought to the shores of Northern Somalia via the Red Sea. If older T-Y45591 samples are discovered in other parts of Africa, this line of thought will obviously be obsolete.

Welcome back,

I meant to say you thought it was generally Semitic, which by this post is still the opinion.

South Semites descend from North Semites. So it could still be South Semitic. They were the only population present in Yemen around 2,000 years ago prior to the language shift to Arabic.

 

[towerheist]

The time frame I am hypothesizing in is before the existence of the Maay or Maxa language.



Welcome back,

I meant to say you thought it was generally Semitic, which by this post is still the opinion.

South Semites descend from North Semites. So it could still be South Semitic. They were the only population present in Yemen around 2,000 years ago prior to the language shift to Arabic.

I see, let me ask you like this. Which one is closer to proto Somali af-maay or central and northern dialects. Or isnt there enough to make a suugo theory.