Does Somaliland leadership actually want recognition?

[Som]

Hear me out.
I'll try to be unbiased. Somaliland has been de facto independent for over 30 years and isn't even close to getting recognition by anyone, not even one country recognizes SL. It's pretty obvious that SL can get ictiraaf only if Somalia agrees to let them go , but Somaliland refuses any kind of talks with Somalia and keeps hoping that recognition will just come randomly. The question we need to ask ourselves is why?
There are two main answer.
-Either Somaliland politicians are just inept and stupid OR they actually don't want recognition and want to keep the status quo which is de facto independence with no ictiraaf. I don't think that Somaliland leaders are that stupid so I think the second answer is the most likely to be correct. If Somaliland leaders really wanted independence they could have talked with Somalia while it had weaker governments who were more open to recognize SL. Sheikh Shariif and Hassan Sheikh would have easily granted SL full recognition if Somaliland seriously proposed something in exchange. We are talking about Somali governments who sold our sea to Kenya, I don't think they would have had any problem with letting SL be recognized.

 

[Som]

Question to Somalilanders who are pro separatism. Since recognition is obviously important for you are you satisfied with the efforts of your country's leadership to secure ictiraaf?

 

[convincation]

They’ll sell their children for lcturaaf before even entertaining the idea of sitting down with the FGS

 

[Bowser]

Hear me out.
I'll try to be unbiased. Somaliland has been de facto independent for over 30 years and isn't even close to getting recognition by anyone, not even one country recognizes SL. It's pretty obvious that SL can get ictiraaf only if Somalia agrees to let them go , but Somaliland refuses any kind of talks with Somalia and keeps hoping that recognition will just come randomly. The question we need to ask ourselves is why?
There are two main answer.
-Either Somaliland politicians are just inept and stupid OR they actually don't want recognition and want to keep the status quo which is de facto independence with no ictiraaf. I don't think that Somaliland leaders are that stupid so I think the second answer is the most likely to be correct. If Somaliland leaders really wanted independence they could have talked with Somalia while it had weaker governments who were more open to recognize SL. Sheikh Shariif and Hassan Sheikh would have easily granted SL full recognition if Somaliland seriously proposed something in exchange. We are talking about Somali governments who sold our sea to Kenya, I don't think they would have had any problem with letting SL be recognized.

Source: trust me bro lol.

You are constructing your entire narrative based on nothing but your own conjured up assumptions.

Saying that Somaliland is not recognised by anyone is a factual statement but that does not mean it has not moved from where it was 30 years ago.

Today, Somaliland's passport is accepted by a number of countries, this was not true 30 years ago. Somaliland is getting huge injections of international investment, something we could not even imagine 30 years ago. Somaliland is also becoming a formidable player in international politics, the relationships with Taiwan and Chinese opposition forced Somaliland on the agendas of super powers like US and UK.

Recognition is just one aspect of development. Somaliland is making tremendous strides on all other fronts, its also the only working democracy in the entire region. Only a xaasid would try and diminish these achievements by clinging to recognition as the end all be all benchmark. And countries like Eritrea fought for over 60 years without a single country recognising them, so putting an arbitrary time limit on it is kind of dumb, almost as dumb as saying: Somalia has been a failed state for 30 years, it should stop seeking stabilise itself and embrace the chaos.

Sheikh Shariif and Hassan Sheikh would have easily granted SL full recognition if Somaliland seriously proposed something in exchange.

What should Somaliland offer in exchange?

This is another dumb statement, Somaliland will not offer anything in exchange for its sovereignty, we paid fully in blood.

 

[Gadhwayne]

-Either Somaliland politicians are just inept and stupid OR they actually don't want recognition and want to keep the status quo which is de facto independence with no ictiraaf. I don't think that Somaliland leaders are that stupid so I think the second answer is the most likely to be correct.

They are ignorant of Somaalia Italiana politics

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Ok ok ok I will say it. Maybe they are dumb. How can you be ictiraafist and do nothing about Somaalia Italiana? Either the FGS is an enemy who wont sign the dissolution of the union so you find opposition allies in Somaalia Italiana to possibly overthrow FGS or you negotiate with FGS. Even if youre ictiraafist you have realize isolationism is dumb

 

[Periplus]

The political leadership and the SL diaspora don’t want recognition. They just want to not be part of Somalia, recognition or not.

The problem is that the SL public, similar to most Somalis back home, are unaware of political mechanics. Therefore, the SL public think that SL is actually striving for recognition.

 

[bidenkulaha]

The political leadership and the SL diaspora don’t want recognition. They just want to not be part of Somalia, recognition or not.

The problem is that the SL public, similar to most Somalis back home, are unaware of political mechanics. Therefore, the SL public think that SL is actually striving for recognition.

The status quo is good for everyone. Both sets of politicians get to keep their hold on power of their regions and corrupt money.

I can’t believe people get so excited about this facade.

 

[0117]

Hear me out.
I'll try to be unbiased. Somaliland has been de facto independent for over 30 years and isn't even close to getting recognition by anyone, not even one country recognizes SL. It's pretty obvious that SL can get ictiraaf only if Somalia agrees to let them go , but Somaliland refuses any kind of talks with Somalia and keeps hoping that recognition will just come randomly. The question we need to ask ourselves is why?
There are two main answer.
-Either Somaliland politicians are just inept and stupid OR they actually don't want recognition and want to keep the status quo which is de facto independence with no ictiraaf. I don't think that Somaliland leaders are that stupid so I think the second answer is the most likely to be correct. If Somaliland leaders really wanted independence they could have talked with Somalia while it had weaker governments who were more open to recognize SL. Sheikh Shariif and Hassan Sheikh would have easily granted SL full recognition if Somaliland seriously proposed something in exchange. We are talking about Somali governments who sold our sea to Kenya, I don't think they would have had any problem with letting SL be recognized.

New year same threads

The recent developments must have you nervous

 

[PuntPlayer]

Source: trust me bro lol.

You are constructing your entire narrative based on nothing but your own conjured up assumptions.

Saying that Somaliland is not recognised by anyone is a factual statement but that does not mean it has not moved from where it was 30 years ago.

Today, Somaliland's passport is accepted by a number of countries, this was not true 30 years ago. Somaliland is getting huge injections of international investment, something we could not even imagine 30 years ago. Somaliland is also becoming a formidable player in international politics, the relationships with Taiwan and Chinese opposition forced Somaliland on the agendas of super powers like US and UK.

Recognition is just one aspect of development. Somaliland is making tremendous strides on all other fronts, its also the only working democracy in the entire region. Only a xaasid would try and diminish these achievements by clinging to recognition as the end all be all benchmark. And countries like Eritrea fought for over 60 years without a single country recognising them, so putting an arbitrary time limit on it is kind of dumb, almost as dumb as saying: Somalia has been a failed state for 30 years, it should stop seeking stabilise itself and embrace the chaos.



What should Somaliland offer in exchange?

This is another dumb statement, Somaliland will not offer anything in exchange for its sovereignty, we paid fully in blood.

“Somaliland is also becoming a formidable player in international politics”

Somaliland's passport is accepted by a number of countries”
I must say you give off north Korea propaganda delusions

 

[Bowser]

“Somaliland is also becoming a formidable player in international politics”

Somaliland's passport is accepted by a number of countries”
I must say you give off north Korea propaganda delusions

You cant wish facts away:

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

Somaliland politicians do not want recognition the same way Farmaajo doesn't want to defeat Al Shabab. If they get recognition, the people will actually want more in terms of development. The only promise that the SL government gives to it's people is independence and this delusion has made many of it's people act more peaceful and more civilized than the south. Once they gain independence, it might turn into another South Sudan; a frontier for resource. Companies will be paying clans in different regions a fortune for mining on their land whilst undermining the government. When international actors come to the North you will see how unstable it can get. My advice for Somaliland is to strengthen their army and police force. You can develop just like Kurdistan has during the unstable days of Iraq.

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

In SL we long realized that ictiraaf is not coming anytime soon.We are now looking to be economically developed and attract direct foreign investment. We will ofcourse continue our diplomatic efforts to make friends across the West, Arab world and Africa.

There's one thing I guarantee, hell will freeze over before SL peacefully joins Somalia.

 

[Som]

New year same threads

The recent developments must have you nervous

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I'm very interested in your country's politics. That's all. No malicious intent from me

 

[Som]

In SL we long realized that ictiraaf is not coming anytime soon.We are now looking to be economically developed and attract direct foreign investment. We will ofcourse continue our diplomatic efforts to make friends across the West, Arab world and Africa.

There's one thing I guarantee, hell will freeze over before SL peacefully joins Somalia.

Thank you for your answer.
Don't you think though that being unrecognized is going to reduce potential economical development and investments? Up until now you had lot's of freedom to do whatever you want, but if Somalia becomes Just a little bit stronger it may have an effect on SL ability to have an independent foreign policy.

 

[Apollo]

It will turn politically/administratively into a mixture of Djibouti and Eritrea.

Still poor as hell and the liberal democratic farce will end the moment it gets recognized and it will become more authoritarian.

I don't care what happens to it either way. It can become independent and recognized and I would not mind.

 

[Som]

Source: trust me bro lol.

You are constructing your entire narrative based on nothing but your own conjured up assumptions.

Saying that Somaliland is not recognised by anyone is a factual statement but that does not mean it has not moved from where it was 30 years ago.

Today, Somaliland's passport is accepted by a number of countries, this was not true 30 years ago. Somaliland is getting huge injections of international investment, something we could not even imagine 30 years ago. Somaliland is also becoming a formidable player in international politics, the relationships with Taiwan and Chinese opposition forced Somaliland on the agendas of super powers like US and UK.

Recognition is just one aspect of development. Somaliland is making tremendous strides on all other fronts, its also the only working democracy in the entire region. Only a xaasid would try and diminish these achievements by clinging to recognition as the end all be all benchmark. And countries like Eritrea fought for over 60 years without a single country recognising them, so putting an arbitrary time limit on it is kind of dumb, almost as dumb as saying: Somalia has been a failed state for 30 years, it should stop seeking stabilise itself and embrace the chaos.



What should Somaliland offer in exchange?

This is another dumb statement, Somaliland will not offer anything in exchange for its sovereignty, we paid fully in blood.

1)I do agree that Somaliland has an independent foreign policy and direct diplomatic relations with other countries but as you admitted yourself no nation officially recognizes SL. It doesn't matter that a few countries recognize your passport, of course it's an important thing but it doesn't change the fact SL has no ictiraaf.

2) bro this statement is dictated by emotion. I believe you are smart enough certain things need negotiations. Even if you consider us your mortal enemy we still have to negotiate. Somaliland already has sovereignty obtained with war, but when it comes to ictiraaf it's an entire diplomatic thing and you get it through negotiations. My point is very simple : If Somaliland never seriously tried to convince Somalia to give you recognition it means someone in Somaliland isn't serious about getting ictiraaf.

 

[Gadhwayne]

@Som the problem is not that ictiraafists are unserious. They dont understand Somaalia Italiana clan politics

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The only way to end the ictiraafist/unionist stalemate is for JSL to engage SFG and/or Somaalia Italiana rebels/opposition. Either the SFG is an enemy of Soomaliland so the ictiraafists should be allying with pro Soomaliland elements in Somalia Italiana or you negotiate with the SFG. There is no room for isolationism its either attempt regime change against the SFG enemy or engage with SFG as well as the opposition/rebels. The best outcome from isolationism is the SFG becomes a functional government and then the SFG interference in easternSool/Badhan becomes even worse Puntland's current attacks on easternSool/Badhan

If youre an isolationist who though PL attacks on JSL were bad imagine how much worse it can be if JSL haters run a functional government in Muqdisho, a government that JSL ignored as haters took over Muqdisho

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

Thank you for your answer.
Don't you think though that being unrecognized is going to reduce potential economical development and investments? Up until now you had lot's of freedom to do whatever you want, but if Somalia becomes Just a little bit stronger it may have an effect on SL ability to have an independent foreign policy.

It does reduce our economic potential but it's the price we pay for stability and freedom but a lot can still be done as long as the nation is managed well.Bixii has been doing a good job and so has certain mayors in SL like the mayors of Berbera & Gabiley.Corruption and tribal nepotism and patronage is still rampant but the new generation are getting less tribalist.In the recent election it was a big win for the Gabooye community and SL as a whole, a Madhibaan man got the deputy mayor position of Hargeisa via election.Many people voted him despite his clan background

 

[wheel]

It will turn politically/administratively into a mixture of Djibouti and Eritrea.

Still poor as hell and the liberal democratic farce will end the moment it gets recognized and it will become more authoritarian.

I don't care what happens to it either way. It can become independent and recognized and I would not mind.

You dont care what happens to your harti cousins?

 

[Apollo]

You dont care what happens to your harti cousins?

What's the difference from being ruled by Mogadishu without Somaliland?