EGYPTIAN MAGAZINE INTERVIEWS SIAD BARRE

[tyrannicalmanager]

they were probably from their qabiil (the rebels who allied with christians/atheist to attack and subsequently destroy a muslim nation) so they wont takfir them.

The rebels called themselves mujahideen despite forming an alliance with an agressive gaal nation and having christians among their ranks.

 

[Basra]

[ROSE AL-YUSUF Editor Muhammad Awdah's interview with Somali President, Mohammed Siad Barre]

Question: But our spiritual, cultural and national heritage is an Islamic heritage. Does that not conflict with the choice of Marxism?

Answer: The Somalis are Muslim Arabs. They fully understand the meaning of Arabism as a nationality, and Islam as a religion which came to establish justice and equality among the people. Our history is a history of struggle for the sake of our personality, nationalism and religion. The Somali people are a Muslim people fully believing in Islam. On several occasions, the entire Somali people rose to defend Islam and to repulse all the threats and invasions directed against the religion and the homeland.

Socialism, of course, is not a divine mission like Islam. It is purely a system to regulate relations between people, and to use the means of Production for the good of everyone. Therefore, there can be no contradiction between our effort to regulate our resources and national production on the one hand and Islam on the other.

God created man and gave him the blessing of the mind to distinguish between good and evil, virtue and vice. We have chosen Scientific Socialism because it is the best means to liberate the Somali Muslim, and to provide him with the ingredients of a dignified, honourable life so that he can eat, work, become educated, know the regulations of his religion and perform his religious rites. Nevertheless, a group of reactionaries attempted. to create a gap between Socialism and Islam, because Socialism is not in harmony with their ambitions and interests. Therefore, they wanted to ban it and disguise their greed and exploitation in a robe of holiness. They went out of their way to twist God 's words and to distort the essence of religion.

Question: Was this the point when the campaign in the name of religion began?

Answer: Yes. The exploitation of religion has now become Imperialism's first, last and most important weapon. Reactionaries and imperialists have now become the protectors and guards of religion against its enemies. Imagine who are these “enemies?” They are those who seek to rid the peoples of injustice – banned by God – and to eliminate people’s persecution and repression, which religion came to alleviate.

At the beginning, we thought that it was a reactionary outburst which would eventually end. However, we were surprised by a coordinated, loud, noisy and very violent orchestra playing uninterruptedly against us. I, one, who has lived as a faithful Muslim and will die so, became an atheist according to them. They threatened to murder me. Somalia, which has been, throughout its entire history, Islam’s fortress and shield in East Africa, from where Islam was introduced and spread in Africa, became according to them, a communist and debased state.


Question: Can I ask, then, why the clash took place with the men of religion regarding the civil status law? And what led to executing 10 of them?

President Barre became excited and said immediately:

Answer: These were not ulemas or men of religion. They were not executed because they were so or because of the civil status law. During the trial, we found out that eight of them could not read or write. We asked one of them to recite one verse of the Qur'an, but he could not. We asked one of them to perform ablutions, and he began by washing his left foot. One of them was not a Somali, etc.

There were two sheikhs among them and the rest were ordinary agents and subversives. We discovered that it was a wide-scale plan perpetrated abroad in accordance with specific moves and steps to take place after contacts with other bodies and organizations. There were attempts to infiltrate the armed forces and arouse its members. It was a general movement intended to topple the entire regime under the disguise of religion. It began from the mosques and moved to the streets. Its aim was to attract all forces in order to achieve its final goal.

Therefore, we struck mercilessly so that no one would dare to tamper with religion, and in order to prevent the rise of counterrevolutionary forces. The civil status law was a mere pretext. Any provision in the law could have been deleted or changed if demands were made to this effect.

But it could not be a reason for declaring the Revolution and the State atheist, and calling for the execution of its leader as well as calling on the people to take to the streets to cut our throats as a religious duty.

It was a counterrevolution disguising itself under the name of religion. The aim of this counterrevolution was to distort our image among the Arabs and Muslims. Those who made this clamour were part of the conspiracy from the beginning. We could have exposed them, we kept silent for stronger reasons and preferred to act patiently, because facts were to be revealed soon and our brethren and sincere friends would know that the issue was not one of religion or men of religion.

What has happened since the beginning is that on the occasion of the International Woman’s Day, we wanted to honour the Somali woman and restore to her all her rights and consideration, because the Somali woman was a major pillar in our old and contemporary struggle. Without her, it was impossible for Somalia to become free. Among the highest statues in Mogadishu is the statue of a woman who was martyred in the demonstrations and battles against the Italians. It is a symbol of the Somali woman. Since our society has chosen Scientific Socialism, it must provide the woman with her full rights and equality with men.

Baare is the epitome of a Somali mind. Beady eyed, one step ahead in spin and denial, and overall self aware of his environment, looking where exit signs are incase he needs it!

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

Do you guys know during the Kacaan the Islam we practice now which is Salafism spread like wildfire, during the 21 years of Kacaan more masjids and Islamic education facilities were build than the entirety of Somali people existence prior to the Kacaan combined.

The Kacaan was socialist to the core but the people benefited from development and free education, on average Somalis became more educated about the Diin than any other Muslim nation.

This is why I always say the most basic thing any government has to do is provide stability, the rest Somalis will achieve on their own.

 

[hanif#]

f he murdered a dozen so-called ulema before the 1972-1973 failed coup and when Somalis were at peace but the conspiracy began to unfold, then yes, his motives were against the deen of Allah, which he explicitly stated to Egyptian Muslim interview states was not the reason but agents who shrouded their betrayal of a Muslim people in holiness.

What 1972-1973 failed coup are you talking about? Never heard of it. Pls, enlighten us more about this relatively unknown coup.

So Siad Barre has the licence to overthrow governments, but the moment he is given a test of his own medicine the opposition are Khawarij and traitors who work for foreign powers. Don't you see the contradiction in the nonsense you spew?

If those so-called scholars, where 8 out of the 10 couldn't even perform basic acts and lacked literacy, with one not even being Somali, I can understand why any ruler would be paranoid about such a conspiracy

لعنة الله عليك و على سياد بري
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Surely the flesh of the scholars especially those who stood for haqq in front of tyrannical rulers are poisonous. I compare those Ulemas that were executed by Murtad Siad Barre to azhabul Kuhf

Quran 18:14 And We made firm their hearts when they stood up and said, "Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. Never will we invoke besides Him any deity. We would have certainly spoken, then, an excessive transgression.

 

[techsamatar]

What 1972-1973 failed coup are you talking about? Never heard of it. Pls, enlighten us more about this relatively unknown coup.

So Siad Barre has the licence to overthrow governments, but the moment he is given a test of his own medicine the opposition are Khawarij and traitors who work for foreign powers. Don't you see the contradiction in the nonsense you spew?

لعنة الله عليك و على سياد بري
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Surely the flesh of the scholars especially those who stood for haqq in front of tyrannical rulers are poisonous. I compare those Ulemas that were executed by Murtad Siad Barre to azhabul Kuhf

Quran 18:14 And We made firm their hearts when they stood up and said, "Our Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. Never will we invoke besides Him any deity. We would have certainly spoken, then, an excessive transgression.

"The 1969 Somali coup d'état was the bloodless takeover of Somalia's government on 21 October 1969 by military officers of the Supreme Revolutionary Council led by Siad Barre. Somali troops supported by tanks under the command of Barre stormed Mogadishu and seized key government buildings and ordered the resignation of the country's leaders. The coup deposed President Sheikh Mukhtar Mohamed Hussein and Prime Minister Mohammad Egal and led to the twenty-one year long military rule by Barre and the imposition of an authoritarian government in Somalia until 1991.[1]"

This is nothing more than a bloodless and willingly submitted takeover. It should never be compared to the numerous failed, barbaric, and bloodthirsty Khawarij Judea-Western backed rebels who aimed to achieve their goals through violence and succeeded.

The coup attempt began on July 21, 1972, when the rebel officers seized control of key government installations in Mogadishu. They declared themselves the "Free Somali Movement" However, the coup was quickly crushed by loyal security forces. Barre and his supporters were able to regain control of the country, and the rebel officers were forced to flee to Ethiopia.

Here are some of the key events of the coup attempt:

• July 21, 1972: Rebel officers seize control of key government installations in Mogadishu.
• July 22, 1972: Barre declares a state of emergency and calls for the rebel officers to surrender.
• July 23, 1972: Loyal security forces crush the coup attempt.
• July 24, 1972: Barre orders the arrest of thousands of suspected opponents.
• 1973: The rebel officers flee to Ethiopia.

The failed coup attempt of 1972-1973 was a major turning point in Somalia's history. It weakened the country's stability and paved the way for the civil war that would engulf Somalia in the 1990s. @Omar del Sur

@hanif#, I've already caught you in 4k in the Uthman ibn Affan topic thread, and your unmistakable Khawarij traits are laid bare. You're a keyboard warrior, a bandit from the comfort of your sofa in the West.

 

[techsamatar]

@hanif# @Omar del Sur

Al-Imām Abul-Hasan Al-Ash’ari (may Allah’s mercy be upon him, died 324H) stated: “Ijmā’ number 45: Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamā’ah have agreed upon hearing and obeying the rulers of the Muslims. And whoever gains authority over the people [in a country] whether with their pleasure or by overpowering, then obedience is given to them, whether they are righteous or sinful. It is not allowed to revolt against them regardless if they are tyrannical or just.” (Risālah ilā Ahlith-Thaghar, p. 168)

Hence, Siad Barre's coup fell in the middle ground, avoiding both overpowering and yielding to their satisfaction. Peace was not disrupted, politicians stepped down, and people accepted the regime, resulting in a period of significantly improved peace and enhancements to people's lives.