Egyptians Laugh As Ana Carabs Have Now Claimed To Be EGYPTIANS

[Shimbiris]

I think Somalis and low land east Cushites in general may have been them medjay niggas the Egyptian used to employ as Negro police officers back in the day. They used to be employed 3000 years ago & that's around the time Somalis lived in the Sudan according to Sheikh @Shimbiris. We wuz police officerz?

"Why do all these Somali live in Aden?" wondered the German visitor von Maltzan in 1870. "It is not easy to say. Some follow ships in, others are boat-people, or fishermen, still others do temporary, mostly light, service. The native police employs a small part of them, for most of Aden's police force is itself Somali. They make an excellent police officer."

THE SOMALI COMMUNITY AT ADEN IN THE NINETEENTH CENTURY on JSTOR

Edward A. Alpers, THE SOMALI COMMUNITY AT ADEN IN THE NINETEENTH CENTURY, Northeast African Studies, Vol. 8, No. 2/3 (1986), pp. 143-168

www.jstor.org

It seems administrators in Cadan noticed the same thing the AEs did? Kkkkkk. But who knows for sure. We'll see with future aDNA results and linguistic inquiry. For now it just seems like our V32 was in and around Egypt and Nubia or the general Beja lands (which included Lower Nubia) around 2000 BCE.

 

[World]

Ah shit so we wuz nobodies in the east Sudan desert in this era wallahi that's tough. Surrounded by civilization but chose the desert life instead

keep your self hate to yourself

 

[Basra]

keep your self hate to yourself

HA HA HA HAHA

 

[Danakiil]

"Why do all these Somali live in Aden?" wondered the German visitor von Maltzan in 1870. "It is not easy to say. Some follow ships in, others are boat-people, or fishermen, still others do temporary, mostly light, service. The native police employs a small part of them, for most of Aden's police force is itself Somali. They make an excellent police officer."

THE SOMALI COMMUNITY AT ADEN IN THE NINETEENTH CENTURY on JSTOR

Edward A. Alpers, THE SOMALI COMMUNITY AT ADEN IN THE NINETEENTH CENTURY, Northeast African Studies, Vol. 8, No. 2/3 (1986), pp. 143-168

www.jstor.org

It seems administrators in Cadan noticed the same thing the AEs did? Kkkkkk. But who knows for sure. We'll see with future aDNA results and linguistic inquiry. For now it just seems like our V32 was in and around Egypt and Nubia or the general Beja lands (which included Lower Nubia) around 2000 BCE.

Damn only V32? Rip to my T-Y16 niggas sacrificing goats to Enil instead of enjoying the percs of being officerz (or desert nobodies).

 

[Basra]

Damn only V32? Rip to my T-Y16 niggas sacrificing goats to Enil instead of enjoying the percs of being officerz (or desert nobodies).



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this thing looks like many farahs and xalliimos i know druggies

 

[Dima&Damo]

Modern Egyptians

VS



Ancient Egyptians

 

[Danakiil]

keep your self hate to yourself

How can it be self hate if it's facts + most of the world was nobodies in this era anyways. We get our shine like a thousand years later scamming Romans and greeks.

 

[Basra]

Since Somali nature is xenophobic- we distrust outsiders. That is how we managed to maintain our unique race and features. We r the legitimate grand children of prophet Adam pbuh without any other race contamination

 

[Shimbiris]

Damn only V32? Rip to my T-Y16 niggas sacrificing goats to Enil instead of enjoying the percs of being officerz (or desert nobodies).



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Somali T1a probably came from ancient South Arabia with things like camel domestication and asiatic (zebu) admixture in our cattle. And, to be honest, there wouldn't have been a shit-load of people living in Beja lands that far back and they'd have all been inter-related and shared an overall dhaqan. The nomads in the eastern desert would have been the kin of the townsfolk along the Lower Nubian Nile the same as the townsfolk in Somali magaalo were the kin of the wandering nomads to their interior. Not that it matters, walaal. Most people back then were either rural or at the lower rungs of "urban" society anyway.

 

[Saciid]

The nomads in the eastern desert would have been the kin of the townsfolk along the Lower Nubian Nile the same as the townsfolk in Somali magaalo were the kin of the wandering nomads to their interior. Not that it matters, walaal.

Not necessarily true, that wasn't the case in Marka, only a bit in Mog and true in Baraawe. This isn't just the case with urban centers, many farming villiages were dominated by madowweyn while the Somalis lived outside as nomads. This is the case amongst Garre's Webi part, where Nun, Yumbis, Shan, etc. was dominated by "freedmen" with barely any Garre. Hawiye took a step further and didn't even settled the caro madow of Webi, with all of Webi towns except Buulo Barde (Baadicadde) and Balcad (Hilibi-Dauud) being of Madowweyn control until recent.

Different lifestyle which protected it from nomad-led population change in the adjacent rural area and penetration into the settlements. Also, I believe cultural apprehension against settlement life, which gets even mpre clear with comparison with agro-pastoral Sab (Tunni, Geledi, Begedi) vs pastoral Samaale (Garre, Biimaal, Abgaal). Whereas Tunni settled into Baraawe after their late Ajuraan migration (and possibly assimilating the original Reer Baraawe Garre as represented in Aw Cali history) and Geledi and Begedi into Webi settled life, Abgaal, Biimaal and Garre only partially settled into that same lifestyle. Even Wacdan's only river settlement (Afgooye) was a waqf of Geledi and they still were barely settled farmers

 

[Shimbiris]

Not necessarily true, that wasn't the case in Marka, only a bit in Mog and true in Baraawe. This isn't just the case with urban centers, many farming villiages were dominated by madowweyn while the Somalis lived outside as nomads. This is the case amongst Garre's Webi part, where Nun, Yumbis, Shan, etc. was dominated by "freedmen" with barely any Garre. Hawiye took a step further and didn't even settled the caro madow of Webi, with all of Webi towns except Buulo Barde (Baadicadde) and Balcad (Hilibi-Dauud) being of Madowweyn control until recent.

Untrue. All the actual Gibil-Madow tribes who were half of Marko and its ruling class had extensions in the Miyi. I urge you to prove otherwise. The same goes entirely for Xamar and Baraaawe. Are you trying to imply there historically were no Bimaals, Abgaals, Ajuuraan (i.e. what the Moorshe are), Murursade or whatever else running around in the interior? Don't be ridiculous. As for the farming villages, don't be absurd there either. My own great ayeeyo's folk were settled farmer villagers. She was Macalin Weyn Raxanweyn and there were more Hawiye settled farmers than most of you reer qurbo seem to know. Saaxiib, out 3.5 million people in Somalia in 1960, only about 85K were madoweyne. They ballooned up only recently, they were near irrelevant in number before that. And I was mostly referencing the north to begin with where indeed any coastal towns' inhabitants always had relatives in the Miyi and many people often went back and forth.

What was even the point in this tangent for the main subject at hand? Are you trying to imply there were Nilotes living in Lower Nubia along the Nile and our admixed ancestors were only in the Eastern desert? Cos that is certainly not backed up by whatever ancient DNA we have, linguistics and basic history.

 

[Danakiil]

Somali T1a probably came from ancient South Arabia with things like camel domestication and asiatic (zebu) admixture in our cattle. And, to be honest, there wouldn't have been a shit-load of people living in Beja lands that far back and they'd have all been inter-related and shared an overall dhaqan. The nomads in the eastern desert would have been the kin of the townsfolk along the Lower Nubian Nile the same as the townsfolk in Somali magaalo were the kin of the wandering nomads to their interior. Not that it matters, walaal. Most people back then were either rural or at the lower rungs of "urban" society anyway.

Wonder where all the T south Arabians vanished to tho. Whenever I see those haplogroup T-M184 maps I only ever see Somalis, Djibouti Afars, and random East Indian carry that haplogroup at high percentages. Never some yemeni or Omani nigga

 

[Shimbiris]

Wonder where all the T south Arabians vanished to tho. Whenever I see those haplogroup T-M184 maps I only ever see Somalis, Djibouti Afars, and random East Indian carry that haplogroup at high percentages. Never some yemeni or Omani nigga

There are plenty of Arabian T carriers, walaal. Just go onto Yfull:

T YTree

www.yfull.com

There are probably more Khaleej samples from just one of the Khaleej countries like Saudi than the whole Horn. But this, to be fair, is cos Arabians are over-repped on Yfull. They have lacag and are patrilineal like us whilst also being somewhat exposed to genetics (I hear it's a norm to do genetic screenings of future spouses) so LOTs of guys get tested compared to many other places. Genetics is even more so a niche interest in the Somali community and Somalis aren't as well-off all around.

But sampling bias or not, Arabia is actually very Y-DNA diverse. J1 might be king but you'd be surprised how many different lineages pop up.

 

[Danakiil]

There are plenty of Arabian T carriers, walaal. Just go onto Yfull:

T YTree

www.yfull.com

There are probably more Khaleej samples from just one of the Khaleej countries like Saudi than the whole Horn. But this, to be fair, is cos Arabians are over-repped on Yfull. They have lacag and are patrilineal like us whilst also being somewhat exposed to genetics (I hear it's norm to do genetic screenings of future spouses) so LOTs of guys get tested compared to many other places. Genetics is even more so a niche interest in the Somali community and Somalis aren't as well-off all around.

But sampling bias or not, Arabia is actually very Y-DNA diverse. J1 might be king but you'd be surprised how many different lineages pop up.

damn. So my likely ancestors really were actually Arabians gahdamn. Can't claim the chad east desert nomadic niggas noooo my guys were burying their daughters alive. What an L. I hope I'm a langaab V32 carrier among these ooga booga T-Y16's in Djibouti.

 

[Shimbiris]

damn. So my likely ancestors really were actually Arabians gahdamn. Can't claim the chad east desert nomadic niggas noooo my guys were burying their daughters life. What an L. I hope I'm a langaab V32 carrier among these ooga booga T-Y16's in Djibouti.

Your autosomal DNA is probably 100% Somali, though. Your mtDNA too. Wherever Somali T came from its bringers clearly intermixed so much with our ancestors that the only "foreign" thing left is the Y-DNA. There's T1a among other Horners too and until we get more high-res results for the whole region (with loads of samples) it's still weirdly possible that this was Xabashi mediated instead, though I doubt it. Not to mention all the Somali IBD sharing. I'm V32 but it's hilarious how many of my closest relatives in Sanaag are T carriers. You a Somali all the same, niyahow.

 

[Danakiil]

Your autosomal DNA is probably 100% Somali, though. Your mtDNA too. Wherever Somali T came from its bringers clearly intermixed so much with our ancestors that the only "foreign" thing left is the Y-DNA. There's T1a among other Horners too and until we get more high-res results for the whole region (with loads of samples) it's still weirdly possible that this was Xabashi mediated instead, though I doubt it. Not to mention all the Somali IBD sharing. I'm V32 but it's hilarious how many of my closest relatives in Sanaag are T carriers. You a Somali all the same, niyahow.

Well I'm half teeth sharpener so that kinda complicated things. Either way I'm still sad knowing at one least nigga on my paternal line thought it was splendid idea to bury their new born.

 

[Shimbiris]

Well I'm half teeth sharpener so that kinda complicated things. Either way I'm still sad knowing at one least nigga on my paternal line thought it was splendid idea to bury their new born.

I was wondering why the "Danakiil". Kkkkkkkk. Hooyo is Canfar? You should get her sampled, bro. (23andme) Be interesting to see an Canfar outside of these studies and possibly answer for me and @The alchemist once and for all if these common study samples are legit. Well, maybe not once and for all since it's one sample but it would be a cool start.

 

[Saciid]

Untrue. All the actual Gibil-Madow tribes who were half of Marko and its ruling class had extensions in the Miyi. I urge you to prove otherwise. The same goes entirely for Xamar and Baraaawe.

Lol at Kafari, Shukureer, Aw Hassan, Junji and Reer Manyo having reer Miyi extension. Marka adjacent rural area was completely dominant by Biimaal and it's settled villages dominated by lowcasts separate from Biimaal.

Are you trying to imply there historically were no Bimaals, Abgaals, Ajuuraan (i.e. what the Moorshe are), Murursade or whatever else running around in the interior? Don't be ridiculous.

Small Abgaal and Murursase presence and not related to thee Abgaals outside the wall. No significant Biimaal settlement in Old Marka and Ajuraan don't live in the rural area of either 3 cities so idc ab them.

As for the farming villages, don't be absurd there either. My own great ayeeyo's folk were settled farmer villagers. She was Macalin Weyn Raxanweyn and there were more Hawiye settled farmers than most of you reer qurbo seem to know. Saaxiib, out 3.5 million people in Somalia in 1960, only about 85K were madoweyne. They ballooned up only recently, they were near irrelevant in number before that.

I was talking ab Webi settlements, so Mosr Reewings are irrelevant and Hawiye farmers were mostly in Banaano, an area of mixed pastoral and arable land away from the Webi

Btw, I meant Madowweyn and lowcasts, Madowweyn are a part of lowcasts population, just the ones who mixed with (freedmen) bantus). And their numbers were hidden by being part of D&M clans. Pretty sure the Madowweyn of Reer Doholi of Begedi or the Reer Aytiire of Geledi were classified as Somali when they are Madowweyn. If u include the ethnic Somali Lowcasts than their numbers should be much bigger

And I was mostly referencing the north to begin with where indeed any coastal towns' inhabitants always had relatives in the Miyi and many people often went back and forth.

If that's the case then my bad, but tbf those settlement weren't urban except Saylac which is an excpetion to the rest of the north

 

[Shimbiris]

Lol at Kafari, Shukureer, Aw Hassan, Junji and Reer Manyo having reer Miyi extension. Marka adjacent rural area was completely dominant by Biimaal and it's settled villages dominated by lowcasts separate from Biimaal.

Saaxiib, where do you think these tribes originally came from? The sea? Even the ones that didn't have large or noticeable presences in the Miyi came from there. It's literally in their origin stories and, well, it takes only common sense to know where they came from. This was partly my point. That even the ones who were full-time settled Somali tribes were originally from the Miyi anyway.

Small Abgaal and Murursase presence and not related to thee Abgaals outside the wall. No significant Biimaal settlement in Old Marka and Ajuraan don't live in the rural area of either 3 cities so idc ab them.

Read my reply to the last snippet and even if they the ones left behind in the Miyi were not the same laf of Abgaal you're just shifting goal-posts. Those Abgaals and other tribes came from the interior in the first place and still did have kin in the surrounding Miyi. And the Ajuuraan did have a presence in the local Miyi until it seems they were slowly but surely pushed out by other migrations. How else did they ever even end up in those towns? Use logic.

I was talking ab Webi settlements, so Maalingwiing are irrelevant and Hawiye farmers were mostly in Banaano, an area of mixed pastoral and arable land.

They were historically along the river too. In fact, even in the Middle-Ages the Arab sources claim the Hawiye in particular lived all along the banks of the Shebelle. As much as 50 villages in the land of "Barbara" north of Bilad al-Zanj and south of Ard al-Xabash. And look up what I said. Madowweyne were numerically pretty insignificant until the population booms after 1960.

Btw, I meant Madowweyn and lowcasts, Madowweyn are a part of lowcasts population, just the ones who mixed with (freedmen) bantus). And their numbers were hidden by being part of D&M clans. Pretty sure the Madowweyn of Reer Doholi of Begedi or the Reer Aytiire of Geledi were classified as Somali when they are Madowweyn. If u include the ethnic Somali Lowcasts than their numbers should be much bigger

This just feels like mental gymnastics to me, walaal. Believe what you will but I highly doubt any Somali or Gaal census was counting people who look "madow" as Somali regardless of what they verbally claimed. Have you seen them back home? You pick them out from normal Somalis in a millisecond. The difference is that stark. And Somalis did commonly live in those villages with them and essentially keep them as slaves or as essentially serfs:

If that's the case then my bad, but tbf those settlement weren't urban except Saylac which is an excpetion to the rest of the north

I've already touched on this and most of the coastal towns, even during a period of decline like the early modern era (archaeology and historical accounts imply the middle-ages was more populous), definitely seemed to always have had permanent inhabitants and were not fully nomadic. Please find me a source, for example, that mentions a time of year when Berbera and Bandar Qassim were completely abandoned. But yes, sure, a lot of them were a lot like Dubai, Abu Dhabi or Sharjah were with the changing of seasons even the local ruler might go to the Miyi for a time and return at a different time. Even many of the Koonfur towns were partly like this, saaxiib. As was Harar to some extent. If that somehow disqualifies their "urban-ness" then you might as well consider most of the towns in Arabia and Somaliweyn not "urban". Waa semantics, walaal. But yeah, that's what I was largely thinking of; the north. But it does apply to Koonfur too. All those tribes originally came from the interior and many did have kin, distant or otherwise, still in the miyi.

Let's conclude this here, walaal. I don't want another long tangent.

 

[killerxsmoke]

Wallahi am just tired, when would these kinds of faraxs be extinct. These guys seriously embarrassing us on the daily, man said he shed a tear

If I catch him outside its over wallahi