Ending Famine - By ignoring the Western Experts - Malawi Case Study

[Inquisitive_]

The Chicago Tribune headlines it as "Food Success Story in Malawi. No longer extending a begging bowl, African nation now feeding its neighbors." (December 1, 2007).

The news was so different than 5 years ago when BBC News headlined "Malawi’s ‘worst ever famine’" and ‘Southern African Famine: What Went Wrong?" as an estimated 15 million people faced food shortages in the sub-Sahara.

It seems the government under the leadership of President Bingu wa Mutharika changed its agricultural policies from "do as I say, to do as I do." Bingu is no stranger to western policy as compared to western action. He holds a PhD in Development Economics from Pacific Western University in Los Angeles, and a Masters Degree in Economics and a Bachelor’s Degree in Commerce from the University of Delhi, India


When it came to finding ways to pull out of the cycle of continuing famine, Mutharika is reported to have simply taken a page out of the western playbook. While the west was calling for African nations not to use fertilizer on their farm fields, the west continued to use various forms of fertilizer to enhance crop production.

This past year Malawi decided to imitate the west and "do as they do." Fertilizer was offered to the farmers at subsidized rates, and the result was a bumper crop ending famine.

Ending Famine, Simply by Ignoring the Experts
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/world/africa/02malawi.html


Do As I Say, Not As I Do
https://www.malawiproject.org/do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do/


UN Food Expert Asks Malawi to Reconsider Farm Subsidies
https://www.voanews.com/a/u-n-expert-asks-malawi-to-reconsider-farm-subsidies/1723344.html


The evil of these people of course knows no bounds, they are doing everything in their power to stop this despite the fact that all western nations subsidise their own agricultural sectors while protecting them heavily in trade deals.

The reason why they do this is to enforce dependence, while perpetuating poverty, famines and death. The evil of these people cannot be quantified.

If only the rest of the Africans followed the leader of Malawi and simply ignored whatever these buffoon's have to say and actually follow their own actions.

This guy with his PhD was able to take what is good and leave that which is nothing more then brain poison, something which most other PhD quack holders struggle with as they come out of these institutions more brainwashed then when they first went in.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The west is built around making money, at it's core, it's a business culture, u know the saying (LAND OF OPPORTUNITIES), if there is no opportunities anymore it won't be pretty. If they aren't making money, their system will collapse, hence why it's crucial for their well-being to ensure money is being made at all times. Now these famines might be bad for Africa, but it's a business opportunity for westerner farmers, they get nice contracts out of it to keep their farmers loaded up with work overseas.

Is it possible, they support political turmoil or economic turmoil in other nations where they don't get any financial benefit from, it's possible, as that means their medication companies, farmers, and charities and a range of sectors get new growth markets. Now this is all speculation, take it for what it's worth. But what isn't speculation is Africa hasn't fared any better with the western relationship, now that's factual!!!

 

[DR OSMAN]

I personally don't have a qualm with the west or islamists though. In all honesty, they can't force you to do anything. but they can make their way of life appealing to you by saying hey look at us in the west 'were rich and progressing' or hey look at us in saudi 'were rich' now copy this and you will get there. It's you who has to take that initial step to copy, no1 is forcing you too. If we had visionaries in Africa and say 'hang on' will this work considering our context and situation or will it send us into flames, then the situation may have been different. That's my take on it anyways!!!

Get your ass back in here @Inquisitive_ and debate this issue.

 

[Inquisitive_]

I personally don't have a qualm with the west or islamists though. In all honesty, they can't force you to do anything. but they can make their way of life appealing to you by saying hey look at us in the west 'were rich and progressing' or hey look at us in saudi 'were rich' now copy this and you will get there. It's you who has to take that initial step to copy, no1 is forcing you too. If we had visionaries in Africa and say 'hang on' will this work considering our context and situation or will it send us into flames, then the situation may have been different. That's my take on it anyways!!!

Get your ass back in here @Inquisitive_ and debate this issue.

Although your 70% ahead of the sheep your still struggling with that extra 30% home run, you recognise that turmoil/poverty is financially lucrative for them as you admit yourself, but then you stop short with your coincidental possibility theory bull crap giving them a way out, your nothing more then one of their brainwashed apologists.

This is like your neighbour showing a video tape of a man entering the house of your cheating wife while your away and he tells you "he fucked her" while you come out with your "probable" theories, how the dude is the headteacher of your children presenting important reports and everything else is just speculation (because deep down your in self denial)

Of all the leaders we had those that were the closest to Geeljire mindset that had no poisoned western education had the most foresight, all of the corruption in the country comes from these dual citizen qashin spawned from the west or those that have been educated abroad even during the kacaan.

The Geeljire default position is that "Gaalka wa beenloowyaal" and he works from that presupposition in everything, were as the default position of the majority of African's is that Gaalka knows everything and we know nothing and as a result they start off all their work on this false assumption.

Hence why they all listen to these so called 'experts' that place their countries in ruins that never had their best interest at heart, a revolutionary mindset can never be birthed from such a poisoned brain that holds such an inferior default position as you showcased, an example will illustrate this best.

A cousin of mine was given a few weeks to live with stage 4 cancer in the diaspora, his mother back home fought tooth and nail to bring her son to her ( she lives in a village) accusing the infidels of making her son sick (in her own words), all the diaspora people listening thought she was crazy and many tried to block this transfer (wanting more deadly chemo radiation despite stage 4 and western doctors saying nothing else can be done)

He was sent to her eventually, 7 months later the guy returns completely cured and totally unrecognisable, her default position before was "gaalka wa beenloowyaal" and her statement afterwards when her son was cured was "gaalka wux uu ogyahay ma leh" when he was sick she blamed the same culprits for this.

You look at this woman as "crazy" and I don't blame you because you find meaning & solace with everything that comes out of the mouth of the gaalo as a definitive indisputable truth, but her superior knowledge saved him from certain death while the big pharma drug cartels pronounced him a dead man walking.

Now luckily this cousin of mine was a Geeljire that came here at an older age and thus escaped brainwashing hence why he complied with the wishes of his mum, had this been someone like you, you would have not listened and died a miserable death while being disobedient to your parents, because for you "only Gaalka knows"

Then you have to nerve to talk to me about "revolutionary" & "visionary" mindsets or leaderships, you need to free your brain from the colonial shackles first

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Inquisitive_ I definitely feel ya brother. Nor am I disputing what your saying, I think where me and you clash honestly is, I try to look at things from all perspectives, where-as you only look at it from a concluded perspective "gaal waa beenlowyaal" and from that premise you find anything to support that ending. I however am different, I have my suspicions just like you do but I always look at something from all perspectives with benefit of the doubt assumed, rather then coming from a concluded perspective and finding evidence to support it.

Yes I do use the probable speculations because that's what they are or else if they were factual, we wouldn't be discussing anything to begin with would we? If you were certain of your 'factual' information, there wouldn't be a debate to begin with anywhere!!!

 

[Deactivated]

This is why I say it’s wonderful for Somalia to sit on the bench of global development and just watch what’s happening.

It’s a blessing to have a failed state. The world is making trillions in mistakes for us and our Ciyaal Kacaan are itching to repeat others mistakes instead of carving out a unique model that works for them.

This is a by product *Pun Intended, of why Africans are neefs collectively. How the same issues plague 56 countries is mind blowing. The Chinese 600M of thier own out of poverty, and the African leaders across the continent rule out education and nation building.

The free market in Africa is being blessed with technological disruption and the Ciyaal Kacaan don’t want anything to change or be shaken.

 

[kaluumayste]

I lived in Malawi for 5 years i was doing business and also had a farm i was growing vegetables and corn. The locals were self-sustaining they were growing their own food and were healthy and happy. I had never seen a hungry local begging food on the streets. Fresh fish from lake Malawi.

The country was exporting tobacco and corn i was tempted to grow tobacco. The best environment to grow tobacco,it was like gold at that time.

My nomadic impulses kicked in and i left the country and 3 years i kept hearing that Malawi is on the brink of famine people were dying of hunger i couldn't fathom that. A Malawian told me they installed corrupt puppets in the government and pumped foreign aid into the country that made it hard for the locals to grow food and sell them.

 

[Inquisitive_]

@Inquisitive_ I definitely feel ya brother. Nor am I disputing what your saying, I think where me and you clash honestly is, I try to look at things from all perspectives, where-as you only look at it from a concluded perspective "gaal waa beenlowyaal" and from that premise you find anything to support that ending. I however am different, I have my suspicions just like you do but I always look at something from all perspectives with benefit of the doubt assumed, rather then coming from a concluded perspective and finding evidence to support it.

Yes I do use the probable speculations because that's what they are or else if they were factual, we wouldn't be discussing anything to begin with would we? If you were certain of your 'factual' information, there wouldn't be a debate to begin with anywhere!!!

Time is finite, I cannot investigate all the claims that known pathological compulsive liars that have an infinite source of fiat money backing are making on a daily basis, it's absolute insanity to do so.

The sane human being investigates a handful of them (most important ones that have a direct effect on his people) and once he concludes they are nothing more then a pack of lies, everything else that comes out of these people's mouths is by default assumed to be lies

It's no speculation when I categorically state that famines, poverty and wars are manufactured by them, their own whistle blowers like John Perkins who wrote that famous book "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" going on record how he plunged several nations into poverty because that's what the West wanted, he is not the only well known whistle blower, there are a dozen of them.

The CIA declassified papers shows exactly the same thing as do all their actions starting with their NGO's. here is a poor Somali mother who farms sesame seeds about to be put out of business by a western NGO deliberately.



I don't know how much more blatant evidence you require until you move away from your "probable" theories. These are things that you don't even need to investigate, the information is out their in the open for all to see.

 

[offensive bias]

mashallah comrade inquisitive,
i see someone has their eyes open,
its a little frightening seeing the world for how it really is,
especially if you used to be a gaal loving confused muslim, growing up,
with stokholm syndrome thown in, loving and believing everything they said.

i started suspecting something was off, because i love history, when you really dive in deep
you discover that history doesnt repeat itself keeps the same rhythm and cycle.
when you see exactly how the financial system works, and the background history.
its a like a viel lifted of your eyes,
followed by intense rage...

ive never been more pissed off as a teen, but with every reveleation i could believe it,
i was in denial, i used to love debunking crazy shit like conspiracies by looking at the fine details and logically dimembering them.
I then used to show off how smart i was by debunking all that, and when i came across something i couldnt debunk, i would say to my self, no you made a mistake it cant be..


to discover that you are a slave, a house to be more specific,
and that most of the world is , including most muslims..

 

[offensive bias]

instead of calaacal lets change the topic to solutions...

Did you know that organic farming using no fertilizers or pesticides or GMO seeds
can match and even exceed modern farming.

It requires long term planning, thinking and a financial system reoriented towards it.

for example in organic farming you will start with low yields and slowly build up to the yields over a decade at least.
after a slow burn 10 years or so of climbing yields, and lowering costs you will have recouped your investment..


or if you are using modern farming methodes , due to the financial system around you
you are forced to think short term.

lets dump pesticides and fertilizer , potentially kill the land and destroy the environment in a year
and make as much profit as possible.

when the ;and is totally fucked in 10 years of so, move on and forget about it,
let the next person deal with it..


thats in essense "Modern" thinking..

 

[Ras]

instead of calaacal lets change the topic to solutions...

Did you know that organic farming using no fertilizers or pesticides or GMO seeds
can match and even exceed modern farming.

It requires long term planning, thinking and a financial system reoriented towards it.

for example in organic farming you will start with low yields and slowly build up to the yields over a decade at least.
after a slow burn 10 years or so of climbing yields, and lowering costs you will have recouped your investment..


or if you are using modern farming methodes , due to the financial system around you
you are forced to think short term.

lets dump pesticides and fertilizer , potentially kill the land and destroy the environment in a year
and make as much profit as possible.

when the ;and is totally fucked in 10 years of so, move on and forget about it,
let the next person deal with it..


thats in essense "Modern" thinking..

I'll take GMO's if it fed my people.

The caveat being it's GMO we created or seeds we are fully in control of.

We can't just reject something because others have used it in the wrong way.

However, the best option for Somalia is mass outdoor solar hydroponics.

Only way to cover for the little surface water we have available and it requires a lot less pesticides and maybe even less expensive fertilizers depending on the design.

Only drawback is higher initial costs of building the beds, pipes and automation.

However when you consider the cost required to improve our soil and the 10x water requirements of conventional farming then the costs starts making sense.

Food is the bedrock of a country's economic system.

Your currency isn't worth anything if you can't buy food with it domestically.

Only once you have fed people can you get some productivity and hopefully tax out of them.

I really hope that this becomes a major priority for the next government inshallah.

 

[offensive bias]

I'll take GMO's if it fed my people.

The caveat being it's GMO we created or seeds we are fully in control of.

We can't just reject something because others have used it in the wrong way.

However, the best option for Somalia is mass outdoor solar hydroponics.

Only way to cover for the little surface water we have available and it requires a lot less pesticides and maybe even less expensive fertilizers depending on the design.

Only drawback is higher initial costs of building the beds, pipes and automation.

However when you consider the cost required to improve our soil and the 10x water requirements of conventional farming then the costs starts making sense.

Food is the bedrock of a country's economic system.

Your currency isn't worth anything if you can't buy food with it domestically.

Only once you have fed people can you get some productivity and hopefully tax out of them.

I really hope that this becomes a major priority for the next government inshallah.

Thats the capital and energy intensive approach that allot of people have and think it is modern and thus efficient.

Theoretically if you have cheap power from nuclear at wast whats available for sale today as in gen3 plants you feed a billion people from only half of somalias agricultural land.
Thats is if we focused on huge hydroponic/aquaponic projects.

It would be a usefull approach for building in space or antartic colonies,
or future skyscraper farm building that would feed dozens of city blocks worth of people from a single tower.


This approach is amazing and cool, i love tech
i used to be an engineer and my love of tech and the mindset of finding the most effective solutions that require the least amount of resources as possible and getting the job done conflct.


You can get yields as high as modern industrial farms without using GMO, fertilizer of pesticides.
its a holistic approach and modern farmers and agricultural experts are unable to grasp it.

It goes against everything they were thought, its like thinking backwards.

this is not a technical issue, its all been done several times around the world, you have all the data available and you can go on some of these farms and evern get an apprenticship where they show you everything...


The issue is how do you wrap your mind around it?

 

[Ras]

Thats the capital and energy intensive approach that allot of people have and think it is modern and thus efficient.

Theoretically if you have cheap power from nuclear at wast whats available for sale today as in gen3 plants you feed a billion people from only half of somalias agricultural land.
Thats is if we focused on huge hydroponic/aquaponic projects.

It would be a usefull approach for building in space or antartic colonies,
or future skyscraper farm building that would feed dozens of city blocks worth of people from a single tower.


This approach is amazing and cool, i love tech
i used to be an engineer and my love of tech and the mindset of finding the most effective solutions that require the least amount of resources as possible and getting the job done conflct.


You can get yields as high as modern industrial farms without using GMO, fertilizer of pesticides.
its a holistic approach and modern farmers and agricultural experts are unable to grasp it.

It goes against everything they were thought, its like thinking backwards.

this is not a technical issue, its all been done several times around the world, you have all the data available and you can go on some of these farms and evern get an apprenticship where they show you everything...


The issue is how do you wrap your mind around it?

It isn't as energy intensive as you think. It is if you use artificial lighting but that's why I added outdoor solar hydroponics.

Essentially it'll be like conventional farming outside but instead of planting in the soil we could build some simple beds that hold the growth medium and water tanks.

The most energy intensive part of all of this is manufacturing those components.

For that we could use the almost unlimited wind resources available on our coasts.

A single 5 MW turbine could probably provide us with enough energy to manufacture enough for thousands of hecatres per year. No fuel (other than lubrication oils) or forex required.

Other than that we'll need some automation to cover for the lack of skilled people we have.

The technical know how isn't that difficult to procure btw. We can either design the system ourselves using free resources online or license systems from abroad for a couple dollars per ha/yr.

The only issue here is land rights since I have no doubt there would be a queue of investors if that was resolved.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

We have been lied to. The mass famines are caused by the West. Reason? They don't want competition. The land of opportunities shall always be the West untill all non Europeans wake up to the bullshit they call life. Go to Hargeisa and look at the clothes people are selling if you believe the white man is miskeen. All the "donated clothes" that are meant for the "poor Africans" are bought then soled off to locals. Somalis back home are smart, we have always been expert business men since the 1st century AD we can smell the bullshit from a mile away. Not the case for the Congolese. These donated clothes for the "poor Africans" has ruined the clothing market of the country. Who in their right mind will buy a $4.50 pair of pants and a shirt when they can get the same shit for free? This, has unsurprisingly put the clothe sellers in the Congo out of business, no one can compete with that. The clothing sellers closing then eventually affects the economy making the people poorer, then the same thing repeats over and over again. This was just a example. Other countries across the world suffer similar fates for the same reason the OP stated. The governments here in the West are not all sun shine and rainbow's like they want to picture themselves, they are arguably worse then even the Somali government.

 

[0117]

We have been lied to. The mass famines are caused by the West. Reason? They don't want competition. The land of opportunities shall always be the West untill all non Europeans wake up to the bullshit they call life. Go to Hargeisa and look at the clothes people are selling if you believe the white man is miskeen. All the "donated clothes" that are meant for the "poor Africans" are bought then soled off to locals. Somalis back home are smart, we have always been expert business men since the 1st century AD we can smell the bullshit from a mile away. Not the case for the Congolese. These donated clothes for the "poor Africans" has ruined the clothing market of the country. Who in their right mind will buy a $4.50 pair of pants and a shirt when they can get the same shit for free? This, has unsurprisingly put the clothe sellers in the Congo out of business, no one can compete with that. The clothing sellers closing then eventually affects the economy making the people poorer, then the same thing repeats over and over again. This was just a example. Other countries across the world suffer similar fates for the same reason the OP stated. The governments here in the West are not all sun shine and rainbow's like they want to picture themselves, they are arguably worse then even the Somali government.

An example of a country who is fighting back 2nd hand clothes from the West is Rwanda
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-44252655

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

An example of a country who is fighting back 2nd hand clothes from the West is Rwanda
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-44252655

Rwanda has gone so far over the pass 25 years. I am so proud of them inshallah they continue this streak for more success down the line.