ETHIOPIA’S FRAUDDDDDDDD!!!

[Garaad diinle]

Come on bro, I except better from u than to say stuff like without Euros Ethiopia wouldn't exist.

As for the weapons stuff, it was a minor factor to our loss. Ethiopia simply had better leaders and reactions to European colonialism.

There's way to much cope ab modern Ethiopian empire and our colonialization

I'm afride you'll be even more disappointed because here is where i really disagree with you.
Ethiopia is but a fragile country consisting of many different ethnicitys.The amhara ruling class were a minority. The sayid had many allies among the oromo that would have jumb to help if opportunity ever arouse and he could easily acquire firearms from neighboring contries. If there were no europeans providing arms to the ethiopians somali would have had the edge just like futuh al-habash. Somali gallbeed was not conquerd by the ethiopians rather it was handed by the british to the ethiopians twice.

 

[killerxsmoke]

He also raided HG, were they traitors to Islam?

Nigga u fr

I remember one guy on the internet told me that some sacad were in the darwish or something

 

[Abba Sadacha]

Emperor Tewodros killed himself because the British sent a few soldiers to Ethiopia and he thought he was going to die so wuu is dilay

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To be fair,

Emperor Tewodros killed himself because the British sent a few soldiers to Ethiopia and he thought he was going to die so wuu is dilay

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To be fair, it wasn't looking good for dude. He was in a mountain fortress surrounded by mostly Oromo Muslim warriors who hated him and whom he hated. He also didn't want to be captured by the British so he sent himself to Jahannam with an one way vip ticket. Not that I approve of what he did but it wasn't looking good for him regardless.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

they blockaded the somali ports and went as far as chasing somali merchant ships to prevent them from buying weapons

Where can i read this? Or is it your own conclusion of various stories and sources?

 

[Garaad diinle]

Or is it your own conclusion of various stories and sources?

So you do know that i tend to summarise and deduce various conclusions based on what i read online kkk.

Where can i read this?

I initially learned about this from the sspot wiki"shimbiris"pedia thread on somali boat tradition.

A continuation of the above from the other thread:

I'm really giggling over here at how I've derailed my own thread but I found yet more sources.

Here is one from the start of the 1900s describing Somali Dhows that make their way all the way to Dubai and Sharjah as well as Muscat and generally in the Perso-Arabian Gulf waters:

Here is also another source from around the same period of time describing Somali Dhows off the coast of Cape Guardafui rescuing some 500 passengers and crew and plundering wreckage as well:

This same book mentions quite a lot of interesting cultural stuff around seafaring and fishing among Red Sea and Indian Ocean peoples like Bejas, Tigres, Afars, Somalis, Afars and Arabs. Really recommend giving it a read. One little interesting tidbit from it that calls back to that Pankhurst source on that man's autobiography is that Somalis seem to often refer to dhows as "Dooni" ("Doon" being the Somali word for boat) whilst Afars also use "Doonik/Dhoonik":

The guy it mentions, Henri de Monfreid, is also very interesting because he apparently sailed with Somali sailors during the early 20th century and eventually acquired and manned his own ship:

Even apparently had himself a longtime and faithful Somali boatswain (ship's officer) among them named Abdi. Though this is seemingly an instance of Somalis manning a non-Somali's boat. If you are more interested in Somalis with their own boats then I also found more from that author Alan Villiers' book (Sons of Sinbad). A part where he describes Somali sailors all the way in Zanzibar with their "Sambuks" and he shows us what a "Sambuk" looks like:

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This one is a source I just have excerpts of unlike the others. Really wanna get my hands on the original but can't find digital copies so far. I'm told he even mentions Hafun and I'm not sure but I think he mentions that it's a shipbuilding spot like we know it was in the late 1900s for smaller fishing type vessels.

@Apollo @Som @Periplus How did I find all of this after like a day and a half and this @Grant fellow apparently didn't for years whilst seeming so sure Somalis didn't sail beyond their own shores? In that short time frame I've managed to dig up several sources pointing to there being Somali sailors from the early 1800s to the early 1900s going anywhere from Mocha to Aden to Muscat to Dubai to Sharjah to Zanzibar.

 

[Shimbiris]

also somalia is a muslim nomads vs the 2nd oldest christian state. most of galbeed is wild west territory today. also a reason why galbeed was given my opinion. i think its an overlooked reason.

You're making the Abyssinians out to be much more than they were. Despite being a mostly pastoral nomadic arid region people like Peninsular Arabs, Somalis seriously had more towns/urban-centers throughout the Middle-Ages and much of the Early Modern era than Abyssinia which was effectively "a civilization without cities":

Peasantries and Elites without Urbanism: The Civilization of Ethiopia on JSTOR

Frederick C. Gamst, Peasantries and Elites without Urbanism: The Civilization of Ethiopia, Comparative Studies in Society and History, Vol. 12, No. 4 (Oct., 1970), pp. 373-392

www.jstor.org

Sci-Hub | Peasantries and Elites without Urbanism: The Civilization of Ethiopia | 10.2307/178114

They had pretty much no major towns or cities and the Solomonic Emperors, for much of their rule, travelled in a nomadic tent court that moved from province to province across their domains throughout the year:

The Wandering Capitals of Ethiopia on JSTOR

Ronald J. Horvath, The Wandering Capitals of Ethiopia, The Journal of African History, Vol. 10, No. 2 (1969), pp. 205-219

www.jstor.org

Sci-Hub | The Wandering Capitals of Ethiopia | 10.2307/179511

It's ironic that people who were settled farmers were being ruled by an effectively "nomadic" Emperor whilst Somalis often did hole their Garaads/Amirs/Imams/Suldaans up in coastal towns and interior towns like Bardhere:

One of the few times they became quite settled-ish and built a somewhat impressive court at Gondar it was basically designed and built by the Portuguese and is plainly just Portuguese architecture:

A Story in Stones

This newly updated and revised second edition of "A Story in Stones" explores the relationship between Portugal and Ethiopia during the XVI and XVII centuries from the unique perspective of stonework. Through research and many years of working in the field, J.J. Hespeler-Boultbee examines the...

books.google.ae

They were not really successors to Aksum, man. Aksum collapsed centuries before the founding of the Solomonic dynasty in the 13th century and was centered in northern Ethiopia and northern Eritrea. Soil erosion seems to have likely been a major reason as one friend pointed out to me and the north fell into chaos and got divvied up between different entities like Medri Bahri and the Zagwes, an Agaw dynasty.

The south was fertile and not remotely as degraded overtime by intensive agriculture so the center of gravity in Ethiopia slowly shifted there:

They concocted a fantasy book (Kebre Negast) about being direct descendants and thus successors of the previous Aksumite Kings whom they reimagine as having been Jewish before being Christian even though we know via archaeological and historical records that they were plainly pagans. The people centered in Shewa above were also more "southern" Ethiosemitic speakers (i.e. Amharas) whose languages were more distant from Ge'ez than the much closer Tigrinya and Tigre languages and they were pretty much ruralite feudalist types. Whenever they ventured to build their own courts it pretty much looked like this:

And whether in the Futuh al-Habasha where both the Somalis and Christians were donning chainmail, iron helmets, bows and arrows and swords or in the early modern era where everyone was running around with spears, maro iyo rifles they were never honestly militarily somehow inherently superior to even nomadic Somali tribes by the looks of it:

A mob of peasant levvies; their greatest indigenous asset being their vast numbers rather than any native weapons industry or a large trained force or anything like that, as far as I know. And whenever they actually ventured to fight something more than the sparsely populated central and southern Galbeed and challenge an actual Somali polity without gaal help they got whipped pretty bad:

"The British, Italians, and Ethiopians partitioned Greater Somalia into spheres of influence, cutting into the previous nomadic grazing system and Somali civilizational network that connected port cities with those of the interior. The Ethiopian Emperor Menelik's Somali expedition, consisting of an army of 15,000 men, made a deep push into the vicinity of Luuq in Somalia. However, his troops were soundly defeated by the Sultanate of the Geledi, with only 200 soldiers returning alive and at the same time his survived soldiers were heavily traumatized. The Ethiopians subsequently refrained from further expeditions into the interior of Somalia but continued to attack the people in the Ogaden by plundering the nomads of their livestock numbering in the hundreds of thousands."

Source: Divine madness: Moḥammed ʻAbdulle Ḥassan (1856-1920) page 69.

 

[Nilotic]

You're making the Abyssinians out to be much more than they were. Despite being a mostly pastoral nomadic arid region people like Peninsular Arabs, Somalis seriously had more towns/urban-centers throughout the Middle-Ages and much of the Early Modern era than Abyssinia which was effectively "a civilization without cities":

Peasantries and Elites without Urbanism: The Civilization of Ethiopia on JSTOR

Frederick C. Gamst, Peasantries and Elites without Urbanism: The Civilization of Ethiopia, Comparative Studies in Society and History, Vol. 12, No. 4 (Oct., 1970), pp. 373-392

www.jstor.org

Sci-Hub | Peasantries and Elites without Urbanism: The Civilization of Ethiopia | 10.2307/178114

They had pretty much no major towns or cities and the Solomonic Emperors, for much of their rule, travelled in a nomadic tent court that moved from province to province across their domains throughout the year:

The Wandering Capitals of Ethiopia on JSTOR

Ronald J. Horvath, The Wandering Capitals of Ethiopia, The Journal of African History, Vol. 10, No. 2 (1969), pp. 205-219

www.jstor.org

Sci-Hub | The Wandering Capitals of Ethiopia | 10.2307/179511

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It's ironic that people who were settled farmers were being ruled by an effectively "nomadic" Emperor whilst Somalis often did hole their Garaads/Amirs/Imams/Suldaans up in coastal towns and interior towns like Bardhere:

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One of the few times they became quite settled-ish and built a somewhat impressive court at Gondar it was basically designed and built by the Portuguese and is plainly just Portuguese architecture:

A Story in Stones

This newly updated and revised second edition of "A Story in Stones" explores the relationship between Portugal and Ethiopia during the XVI and XVII centuries from the unique perspective of stonework. Through research and many years of working in the field, J.J. Hespeler-Boultbee examines the...

books.google.ae

They were not really successors to Aksum, man. Aksum collapsed centuries before the founding of the Solomonic dynasty in the 13th century and was centered in northern Ethiopia and northern Eritrea. Soil erosion seems to have likely been a major reason as one friend pointed out to me and the north fell into chaos and got divvied up between different entities like Medri Bahri and the Zagwes, an Agaw dynasty.

The south was fertile and not remotely as degraded overtime by intensive agriculture so the center of gravity in Ethiopia slowly shifted there:

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They concocted a fantasy book (Kebre Negast) about being direct descendants and thus successors of the previous Aksumite Kings whom they reimagine as having been Jewish before being Christian even though we know via archaeological and historical records that they were plainly pagans. The people centered in Shewa above were also more "southern" Ethiosemitic speakers (i.e. Amharas) whose languages were more distant from Ge'ez than the much closer Tigrinya and Tigre languages and they were pretty much ruralite feudalist types. Whenever they ventured to build their own courts it pretty much looked like this:

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And whether in the Futuh al-Habasha where both the Somalis and Christians were donning chainmail, iron helmets, bows and arrows and swords or in the early modern era where everyone was running around with spears, maro iyo rifles they were never honestly militarily somehow inherently superior to even nomadic Somali tribes by the looks of it:

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A mob of peasant levvies. And whenever they actually ventured to fight something more than the sparsely populated central and southern Galbeed and challenge an actual Somali polity without gaal help they got whipped pretty bad:

"The British, Italians, and Ethiopians partitioned Greater Somalia into spheres of influence, cutting into the previous nomadic grazing system and Somali civilizational network that connected port cities with those of the interior. The Ethiopian Emperor Menelik's Somali expedition, consisting of an army of 15,000 men, made a deep push into the vicinity of Luuq in Somalia. However, his troops were soundly defeated by the Sultanate of the Geledi, with only 200 soldiers returning alive and at the same time his survived soldiers were heavily traumatized. The Ethiopians subsequently refrained from further expeditions into the interior of Somalia but continued to attack the people in the Ogaden by plundering the nomads of their livestock numbering in the hundreds of thousands."

Source: Divine madness: Moḥammed ʻAbdulle Ḥassan (1856-1920) page 69.

I must tip my proverbial hat off to you, mate; you certainly know your stuff.

 

[Shimbiris]

I must tip my proverbial hat off to you, mate; you certainly know your stuff.

Kekekeke. Thanks. Not knocking the Xabashis, doe. I find the nomadic capitals thing kinda cool, honestly. All those people just moving around throughout the year. A whole "city" popping up somewhere for a few months then packing up, Must've been quite the sight. But yeah, this was not some large industrialized civilization.

Not entirely their faults. They were sorta cut-off from the coast and for like a thousand years surrounded by a world dominated by Muslims. The Red Sea, the Gulf of Aden... they belonged to Islamic civilization for a thousand years at least. You can quickly see how much they pickup steam when they begin to find strong Christian allies as the colonials come into play.