Ethiopia troops kill 20 Somali civilians in Garasyani Somalia

[DrippinglyWet]

Al Shabab, the Terrorists?? They pose a risk to everyone in that region, including us.
Also, probably western funding.

Why does al shabaab attack Kenya/Xamar almost daily but never Ethiopia ? It makes no sense considering Ethiopia occupies more former Shabaab territory than Kenya.














Its blindingly obvious that Ethiopia and Shabaab are in the same league with each other.

 

[Lord Flacko]

I was talking about my family's personal businesses you Hutu refugee

Does your family also give a small percentage of revenue to their Ethiopian customers?

 

[Ferrari]

Al Shabab, the Terrorists?? They pose a risk to everyone in that region, including us.
Also, probably western funding.

I'll believe when Kenyans say that because Alshabab actually attacked Kenya many times. They haven't attacked Ethiopia once. so tell me, how are they a threat to you?

 

[TheWeekday]

Does your family also give a small percentage of revenue to their Ethiopian customers?

No we don't do that and neither do we kill and rape innocent civilians like the subhuman hutus

 

[Lord Flacko]

No we don't do that and neither do we kill and rape innocent civilians like the subhuman hutus

Damn you're really easy to instigate





Wallahi you could see the number 19 randomly somewhere and you would instantly blurt out "hutu" "rape and killings" and "amisom rape" like some retarded tourettes-syndrom having kid

 

[TooMacaan]

Why does al shabaab attack Kenya/Xamar almost daily but never Ethiopia ? It makes no sense considering Ethiopia occupies more former Shabaab territory than Kenya.


Its blindingly obvious that Ethiopia and Shabaab are in the same league with each other.

Kenya and Ethiopia are working together to fight terrorism...so why would Kenya agree to let Al Shabaab attack them but not Ethiopia? That also doesn't make sense. In addition, Al Shabaab are terrorists who killed many Ethiopian soldiers, if we are going by your logic...what does that imply/tell you?? The answer to why they don't attack Ethiopia, I'm not entirely sure BUT to say they are "in the same league with each other" is a stretch.

I'll believe when Kenyans say that because Alshabab actually attacked Kenya many times. They haven't attacked Ethiopia once. so tell me, how are they a threat to you?

They may not have attacked our cities but like I previously mentioned, they've killed Ethiopian soldiers (were the Ethiopian soldiers who died in on it too???). The Ethiopian government would have to be utterly stupid to even fund a group like that because: 1. they are of Somali origin, their loyalties are not to Ethiopia 2. they can always spiral out of control, especially if they really buy their Sharia ideology 3. they can become an emerging power and thus, competition 4. they can be a threat to Ethiopia specifically, due to desire to destroy ancient Christian symbolism

 

[Ferrari]

Kenya and Ethiopia are working together to fight terrorism...so why would Kenya agree to let Al Shabaab attack them but not Ethiopia? That also doesn't make sense. In addition, Al Shabaab are terrorists who killed many Ethiopian soldiers, if we are going by your logic...what does that imply/tell you?? The answer to why they don't attack Ethiopia, I'm not entirely sure BUT to say they are "in the same league with each other" is a stretch.



They may not have attacked our cities but like I previously mentioned, they've killed Ethiopian soldiers (were the Ethiopian soldiers who died in on it too???). The Ethiopian government would have to be utterly stupid to even fund a group like that because: 1. they are of Somali origin, their loyalties are not to Ethiopia 2. they can always spiral out of control, especially if they really buy their Sharia ideology 3. they can become an emerging power and thus, competition 4. they can be a threat to Ethiopia specifically, due to desire to destroy ancient Christian symbolism

Who said Ethiopia funded them? If They killed Ethiopian soldiers, where did they kill them? was it inside Ethiopia? I know you are not that dumb so why are you reasoning like one? They are not a threat to Ethiopia even if they murder Ethiopian soldiers inside Somalia because the question still remains, what are ethio soldiers doing inside Somalia to begin with? You don't really expect them to be welcomed do you? If anything, I'd say they are provoking them. Alshbab attacked Uganda and Kenya so far, not Ethiopia, but maybe that's the problem. Maybe they should since Ethiopia is in Somalia "fighting" alshabab anyway.

 

[DrippinglyWet]

Kenya and Ethiopia are working together to fight terrorism...so why would Kenya agree to let Al Shabaab attack them but not Ethiopia? That also doesn't make sense. In addition, Al Shabaab are terrorists who killed many Ethiopian soldiers, if we are going by your logic...what does that imply/tell you?? The answer to why they don't attack Ethiopia, I'm not entirely sure BUT to say they are "in the same league with each other" is a stretch.



They may not have attacked our cities but like I previously mentioned, they've killed Ethiopian soldiers (were the Ethiopian soldiers who died in on it too???). The Ethiopian government would have to be utterly stupid to even fund a group like that because: 1. they are of Somali origin, their loyalties are not to Ethiopia 2. they can always spiral out of control, especially if they really buy their Sharia ideology 3. they can become an emerging power and thus, competition 4. they can be a threat to Ethiopia specifically, due to desire to destroy ancient Christian symbolism

Its a known fact Ethiopia and Kenya are Rivals, same reason the french supported America in 1778. The amount of Ethiopian soldiers killed is proportiantly a lot smaller than any other troop contributing country.
Tell me why doesnt al shabaab bomb Ethiopia, our oldest enemy and agressor?

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Time for an ultra nationilist para military force to remove them and all the other tumors from Somalia.

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Arkan's Tigers would be a good example of a highly effective paramilitary force that is entirely made up of volunteers. The targets of this paramilitary force should be salafis; clan elders/militia, corrupt politicians & bantu colonisers that refuse to show papers(Visa & work permits). I would happily fund a paramilitary unit to keep Somalia safe & secure Insha'allah.

 

[DrippinglyWet]

Arkan's Tigers would be a good example of a highly effective paramilitary force that is entirely made up of volunteers. The targets of this paramilitary force should be salafis; clan elders/militia, corrupt politicians & bantu colonisers that refuse to show papers(Visa & work permits). I would happily fund a paramilitary unit to keep Somalia safe & secure Insha'allah.

We Should do it like the PMU in Iraq

• Training is key volunteers need to be trained by nationilistic drill sergeants and any possible weak link routed out
• Focus only on non-Somali threats (Amisom and Arab/bantu extremist in our country) shabaab is only attractive because of the foreign troops on our soil.
• No clan influence not even a hint the group should be made out of pure nationalist every platoon must be heavily mixed and the commanders selected on merit.
• When not in battle the troops will either; train, do community service or be ready to be called into battle.
• The top echelon of the group shale never be revealed.

 

[TooMacaan]

Who said Ethiopia funded them? If They killed Ethiopian soldiers, where did they kill them? was it inside Ethiopia? I know you are not that dumb so why are you reasoning like one? They are not a threat to Ethiopia even if they murder Ethiopian soldiers inside Somalia because the question still remains, what are ethio soldiers doing inside Somalia to begin with? You don't really expect them to be welcomed do you? If anything, I'd say they are provoking them. Alshbab attacked Uganda and Kenya so far, not Ethiopia, but maybe that's the problem. Maybe they should since Ethiopia is in Somalia "fighting" alshabab anyway.

@Guysensei was suggesting that Ethiopia and Al Shabaab were working in league.
It doesn't matter whether Al Shabaab killed the soldiers in Ethiopia or in Somalia, terrorists shouldn't be allowed to exist in anywhere near our region. Why wait until they spread to us and try to infect our peaceful Muslim community with their wahabbi trash??! It's about preventive measures. I will admit that Ethio soldiers have been in Somalia inappropriately during that whole Bush proxy war in '06 and I'm against that involvement but I don't think this situation compares to that, especially since things have intensified.

And Ethiopia may not be completely getting rid of Al Shabaab(for many political and power dynamic related reasons) but they are keeping them under control. I suspect that Al Shabaab knows this and it's the reason why they are more lenient towards Ethiopia because they realize that it is more of a threatening enemy than Somalia is and they're willing to take what they can get (for now).

Also, @Guysensei
It doesn't matter how "few" soldiers died, do you think they willingly died as part of some sinister plot with Al Shabaab so that Ethiopia can remain in power??
Why don't they attack Ethiopia? I assume that it's about power struggle...they are addressing their immediate interests first and are tactical enough to understand that they need to operate step by step. Not all Somalis think alike and they want their Sharia agenda to dominate by force rather than risk the possibility of losing in a democratic election where they'd actually have to compete. How can they think of frying a big fish when they haven't even cleared the pond in their backyard??

 

[XamarCade]

@Guysensei
And Ethiopia may not be completely getting rid of Al Shabaab(for many political and power dynamic related reasons) but they are keeping them under control.

So u do admit the Ethiopian government is colluding with AS

 

[TooMacaan]

So u do admit the Ethiopian government is colluding with AS

I don't think "colluding" is the right word because it implies that there is an intentional deal making between them but I believe that some of their interests (in terms of power balance in the region) overlap [to a degree] and they both realize it.
If Ethiopia defeats Al Shabaab, they will have done all the work for a nation who can be a regional threat to them (it would free up Somalia's resources to focus on destabilizing Ethiopia or it's interests, for example). The government understands that they may face competition over regional power from neighboring contenders (who dislike them & hold a grudge). Politically speaking, it's stupid to leave one's fate in the hands of those who bear hatred for them (and not even just on a governmental level, but also on a population level). The government is not naive and they understand that bygones won't be bygones. They are playing a balancing act with the several threats they have.

On the other side, there is Al Shabaab which also has it's wahabbi agenda and they want to implement their system in Somalia. They are rejected by the people and they know it...although they probably hate Ethiopia too, their immediate concern is to defeat their LOCAL competitors since their primary aim is to rule Somalia, not Ethiopia (yet). If they were to attack Ethiopia, Shabaab's political adversaries in Somalia could use that opportunity of a 'vulnerable Ethiopia' to cement their reign as the "stable" ones in the region and take total control over Somalia (because I doubt that Somalia would be trying to help Ethiopia if Al Shabaab was attacking them). That scenario is the opposite of what Al Shabaab wants because it doesn't include them even having a chance of seizing power.

 

[TooMacaan]

Somalia doesn't give 2 fucks about destabilizing Ethiopia, we don't even look/see y'all and kenya as competition, why would we care to spend any resources on destabilizing you and kenya? All we ask is to stop massacring our ppl, kenya and Ethiopia continues to do that especially Ethiopia.

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If Somalia had the opportunity to destabilize Ethiopia and no allies would interfere, tbh..I think they'd take it, thus I disagree that Somalia has no interest in getting revenge and that "all we want is peace for our ppl" (in fact, members of this forum informed me of that point blank when I was saying that I wished our countries could have peace in the future). Both the government and citizens of Somalia hold a grudge for past bs that went down and sadly, that remains true to this day for many (although not all) Somalis.

The biggest problem seems to be a lack of trust and that's the hardest to resolve; all parties are on the defensive because we're all suspicious of one another but progress can't be made unless someone is willing to take a risk.

 

[XamarCade]

I don't think "colluding" is the right word because it implies that there is an intentional deal making between them but I believe that some of their interests (in terms of power balance in the region) overlap [to a degree] and they both realize it.
If Ethiopia defeats Al Shabaab, they will have done all the work for a nation who can be a regional threat to them (it would free up Somalia's resources to focus on destabilizing Ethiopia or it's interests, for example). The government understands that they may face competition over regional power from neighboring contenders (who dislike them & hold a grudge). Politically speaking, it's stupid to leave one's fate in the hands of those who bear hatred for them (and not even just on a governmental level, but also on a population level). The government is not naive and they understand that bygones won't be bygones. They are playing a balancing act with the several threats they have.

On the other side, there is Al Shabaab which also has it's wahabbi agenda and they want to implement their system in Somalia. They are rejected by the people and they know it...although they probably hate Ethiopia too, their immediate concern is to defeat their LOCAL competitors since their primary aim is to rule Somalia, not Ethiopia (yet). If they were to attack Ethiopia, Shabaab's political adversaries in Somalia could use that opportunity of a 'vulnerable Ethiopia' to cement their reign as the "stable" ones in the region and take total control over Somalia (because I doubt that Somalia would be trying to help Ethiopia if Al Shabaab was attacking them). That scenario is the opposite of what Al Shabaab wants because it doesn't include them even having a chance of seizing power.

You know that Somalis were never the aggressors against Ethiopia, all we ask is to stop the massacring of Somalis, even in kenya they're killing innocent Somalis, this whole notion of Somalia is a threat to y'all is fake propaganda to stop Somalia from becoming rich.

The real problem kenya and Ethiopia has against Somalis is because of our strategic geography location, our natural resources, and our entrepreneurial spirit Somalis have.

We have no intention to spend any resources on destabilizing you, you guys are already doing that from what I can see. It's really unfortunate that both kenya and Ethiopias only major income is from aid money to destabilize Somalia

 

[XamarCade]

If Somalia had the opportunity to destabilize Ethiopia and no allies would interfere, tbh..I think they'd take it, thus I disagree that Somalia has no interest in getting revenge and that "all we want is peace for our ppl" (in fact, members of this forum informed me of that point blank when I was saying that I wished our countries could have peace in the future). Both the government and citizens of Somalia hold a grudge for past bs that went down and sadly, that remains true to this day for many (although not all) Somalis.

The biggest problem seems to be a lack of trust and that's the hardest to resolve; all parties are on the defensive because we're all suspicious of one another but progress can't be made unless someone is willing to take a risk.

Of course we're pissed at y'all, there hasn't been one single benefit from having y'all as neighbors besides aggression,

What I'm saying is, we don't see u Ethiopians and Kenyans as a threat from becoming rich and prosperous, but u guys do see us as a threat, that's why u keep interfering and getting free aid to destabilize us.

Ethiopia and Kenya's major income is from international aid to keep Somalia destabilized, am I wrong? That's very sad

 

[TooMacaan]

Of course we're pissed at y'all, there hasn't been one single benefit from having y'all as neighbors besides aggression,

What I'm saying is, we don't see u Ethiopians and Kenyans as a threat from becoming rich and prosperous, but u guys do see us as a threat, that's why u keep interfering and getting free aid to destabilize us.

Ethiopia and Kenya's major income is from international aid to keep Somalia destabilized, am I wrong? That's very sad

I already mentioned western funding as being a possible interest for Ethio gov in my first response to this thread.
I personally don't find Somalia threatening besides 3 things:
1. Al Shabaab spreading it's savage wahabbism.
2. Bloodthirsty revenge seekers who would kill innocent civilians if they became powerful enough to get away with it.
3. Possible clan disputes that destabilize could threaten to the region.
Besides that, I'm actually open minded about Somalia

 

[DrippinglyWet]

@Guysensei was suggesting that Ethiopia and Al Shabaab were working in league.
It doesn't matter whether Al Shabaab killed the soldiers in Ethiopia or in Somalia, terrorists shouldn't be allowed to exist in anywhere near our region. Why wait until they spread to us and try to infect our peaceful Muslim community with their wahabbi trash??! It's about preventive measures. I will admit that Ethio soldiers have been in Somalia inappropriately during that whole Bush proxy war in '06 and I'm against that involvement but I don't think this situation compares to that, especially since things have intensified.

And Ethiopia may not be completely getting rid of Al Shabaab(for many political and power dynamic related reasons) but they are keeping them under control. I suspect that Al Shabaab knows this and it's the reason why they are more lenient towards Ethiopia because they realize that it is more of a threatening enemy than Somalia is and they're willing to take what they can get (for now).

Also, @Guysensei
It doesn't matter how "few" soldiers died, do you think they willingly died as part of some sinister plot with Al Shabaab so that Ethiopia can remain in power??
Why don't they attack Ethiopia? I assume that it's about power struggle...they are addressing their immediate interests first and are tactical enough to understand that they need to operate step by step. Not all Somalis think alike and they want their Sharia agenda to dominate by force rather than risk the possibility of losing in a democratic election where they'd actually have to compete. How can they think of frying a big fish when they haven't even cleared the pond in their backyard??

Those soldiers, like all soldiers where pawns.
Ethiopia is currently deserting villages which then get immediatly get annexed by shabaab, how does that fit your narrative of "containing" the shabaab threat? The uprisings in Ethiopoa is a far bigger threat than Somalia could even be in the current near future.