Etymology of these names?

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

The anthropologists, or inquisitive minds amongst us, would be curious as to the origin of their respective community names, as I suspect, many of you belong to one, two, or even three of these communities, as I do; I understand these are nicknames, if so, what were their actual names?

I left out some of the more obvious ones viz. Tumaal, Madhibaan, Isxaaq, Daarood, Warsangeli, Laylkase, Awrtable, Sameroon, Kaskiiqabe etc.

Here is the list:

• Gabooye
• Yibir

• Kablellax
• Harti
• Ogaadeen
• Tanaade
• Sade
• Dashiishe

• Gadabuursi
• Habar Awal
• Garxajis
• Habar Jeclo
• Arab

• Hawiye
• Hiraab
• Habar Gidir
• Abgaal
• Xawaadle

Do add, if there are others of interest, which I could not recall, or might not know, particularly from the deep south, where there are many communities I know very little about.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

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[Garaad diinle]

Gabooye means quiver. Harti in maay maay means a man and in af garrire it means an old man. The name gadabuursi is made of two parts geda iyo buursi. Gedo or geda is a mountain in gabiley and buursi is similar to gashaam-buursi. Garxajis i would guess is made of gar iyo xajis meaning the holder of xaq. Hiraab is a time period before the sun rise, the sahor time. Abgaal need no explanation. It's made of ab iyo gaal, gaal meaning geel or camel. Xawaadle means he who owns many lifestocks, xawaad meaning many livestocks. Hawiye is surprisingly still being used and there are people named hawiye. According to the book named qaamuus af somali writing by aadan xasan aadan hawiye means nice breez or nice air. Weirdly enough this is similar to the arabic hawa' which means wind.

Here is the book that i mentioned.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Gabooye means quiver. Harti in maay maay means a man and in af garrire it means an old man. The name gadabuursi is made of two parts geda iyo buursi. Gedo or geda is a mountain in gabiley and buursi is similar to gashaam-buursi. Garxajis i would guess is made of gar iyo xajis meaning the holder of xaq. Hiraab is a time period before the sun rise, the sahor time. Abgaal need no explanation. It's made of ab iyo gaal, gaal meaning geel or camel. Xawaadle means he who owns many lifestocks, xawaad meaning many livestocks. Hawiye is surprisingly still being used and there are people named hawiye. According to the book named qaamuus af somali writing by aadan xasan aadan hawiye means nice breez or nice air. Weirdly enough this is similar to the arabic hawa' which means wind.

Here is the book that i mentioned.

Thank you, that is very good info.
On the 'Hawiye' name, the Arabic word much closer, which I always thought of is 'hawiyah', as in identity, i.e. authenticity. distinguishable features, essential attributes, or as in its contemporary usage, meaning an ID card;
هُوِيَّةُ الْإِنْسَانِ: حَقِيقَتُهُ الْمُطْلَقَةُ وَصِفَاتُهُ الْجَوْهَرِيَّةُ
or
الْهُوِيَّةُ الْوَطَنِيَّةُ : مَعَالِمُهَا وَخَصَائِصُهَا الْمُمَيَّزَةُ وَأَصَالَتُهَا

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

it is quite interesting that 'Harti' could be of af Maay? I read it was of Cafar/Ciise extraction, because of their mother being of that community, brought up by their grandmother, who was of Samaroon, and her sons were all named after their maternal grandfathers, which is in where nicknames such as Majeerteen, Moorasaante (Warsangeli), Mooracase (Dashiishe), Xijiijle etc. have their origin.

On the Xawaadle name, the thing, which sprang to mind, when I first heard of it, was 'xawa | xawada', meaning 'potency / fertility', as in 'xiniinyaha iyo xawada'.

 

[Dima&Damo]

Harti means stalwart or strong man

 

[Arkan]

Gadabuursi actual name is Ali/Cali.

The name Gadabuursi means 'people of the Mountains,' which makes sense since our clan is geographically surrounded by mountainous terrain. The name may have originated after a defeat in battle, possibly post Adal demise, when our people regrouped and formed a coalition consisting of Samaroon descendants and other descendants of Cali.

 

[Garaad diinle]

it is quite interesting that 'Harti' could be of af Maay? I read it was of Cafar/Ciise extraction, because of their mother being of that community, brought up by their grandmother, who was of Samaroon, and her sons were all named after their maternal grandfathers, which is in where nicknames such as Majeerteen, Moorasaante (Warsangeli), Mooracase (Dashiishe), Xijiijle etc. have their origin.

On the Xawaadle name, the thing, which sprang to mind, when I first heard of it, was 'xawa | xawada', meaning 'potency / fertility', as in 'xiniinyaha iyo xawada'.

Harti isn't necessary from maay dialect. We both speak a somali language albeit different dialect and thus we have many words in common example hurdo and hundoro both meaning sleep. Another one is kooy meaning come in maay and koyto meaning arrivals. Funnily enough there is a group of cisse or a sup clan called abgaal and a sub of of ogaden called reer xamar. The meaning of harti might very well be what @Neero said.

Here is what the somali dictionary say about xawaad-le.

 

[Garaad diinle]

Thank you, that is very good info.
On the 'Hawiye' name, the Arabic word much closer, which I always thought of is 'hawiyah', as in identity, i.e. authenticity. distinguishable features, essential attributes, or as in its contemporary usage, meaning an ID card;
هُوِيَّةُ الْإِنْسَانِ: حَقِيقَتُهُ الْمُطْلَقَةُ وَصِفَاتُهُ الْجَوْهَرِيَّةُ
or
الْهُوِيَّةُ الْوَطَنِيَّةُ : مَعَالِمُهَا وَخَصَائِصُهَا الْمُمَيَّزَةُ وَأَصَالَتُهَا

Well somali is cushitic and arabic is semitic, any similarities between us is most likely due to our common afro-asiatic heritage or loans due to islam and trade. In regard to the meaning of hawiya, the book mentioned above which gives etymology to somali names said that the somali etymology would be nice breez. I don't think it's a loan from arabic it's very clear that it is an original ancient somali name that goes back almost a thousand year.

Some words we have in common with classical arabic are.

Soco. سع
Mar. مر
Raac. رعي
Tamashle. مشي
Xarrage. حركة

I have even crazier examples of our similarities but this'll do.

 

[kaahin13]

Habar jeclo is both a tribal conderacy and a stand alone tribe which comprises of three tribes for political expedience namely habar jeclo cibraan and sanbuur. It refers back to those sons of isaaq who stayed with their mom so that’s why there called habar jeclo. Habar habusheed use to be what the tribal confederacy was called before which also included toljeclo

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Gadabuursi actual name is Ali/Cali.

The name Gadabuursi means 'people of the Mountains,' which makes sense since our clan is geographically surrounded by mountainous terrain. The name may have originated after a defeat in battle, possibly post Adal demise, when our people regrouped and formed a coalition consisting of Samaroon descendants and other descendants of Cali.

So, what is the coalition of 'Samaroon & Gadabuursi (Cali)' called? I often hear people using Samaroon and Gadabuursi, as if synonymous, or interchangeable, but from your note, that is quite so; or did I misread it?

Habar jeclo is both a tribal conderacy and a stand alone tribe which comprises of three tribes for political expedience namely habar jeclo cibraan and sanbuur. It refers back to those sons of isaaq who stayed with their mom so that’s why there called habar jeclo. Habar habusheed use to be what the tribal confederacy was called before which also included toljeclo

That makes perfect sense, yet the obvious never crossed my mind.

 

[backgroundISneeded]

Gabooye

Expect anything related with hunting. Gabooye used to be hunters.

• Harti

Husband in current Afmaay?or maybe old Somali.

harti = husband

Also it is type of camel

Habar Awal

• Garxajis
• Habar Jeclo

These 3 names above are obvious.
Jeclo and awal used to be women name.
garxajis = those who uphold the xeer

• Arab

Tall

Hiraab = Suxuur

 

[Northern Swordsman]

The anthropologists, or inquisitive minds amongst us, would be curious as to the origin of their respective community names, as I suspect, many of you belong to one, two, or even three of these communities, as I do; I understand these are nicknames, if so, what were their actual names?

I left out some of the more obvious ones viz. Tumaal, Madhibaan, Isxaaq, Daarood, Warsangeli, Laylkase, Awrtable, Sameroon, Kaskiiqabe etc.

Here is the list:

• Gabooye
• Yibir

• Kablellax
• Harti
• Ogaadeen
• Tanaade
• Sade
• Dashiishe

• Gadabuursi
• Habar Awal
• Garxajis
• Habar Jeclo
• Arab

• Hawiye
• Hiraab
• Habar Gidir
• Abgaal
• Xawaadle

Do add, if there are others of interest, which I could not recall, or might not know, particularly from the deep south, where there are many communities I know very little about.

Some meanings:

• Gabooye; from gabooy has several meanings hunter, archer & quiver. Makes sense since the tribe is known for being hunters and skilled archers.

• Harti: Male Camel ie Awr, also means husband, man and also musket

• Tanaade; from tanaad which means rich. Tanaade = Wealthy man.

• Hiraab; lit. Saxuurta also means midnight.

• Abgaal; means Father of Camels, from Ab "Father" and Gaal which is a variant of Geel.

• Xawaadle; from Xawaad which means Xoolo badan ie livestock and -le which indicates possession so Xawaadle = Livestock owner or Wealthy.

• Habar Awal; Awal is nickname of Abdirahman bin Ishaaq

• Garxajis; means Justice holders. Ismail bin Ishaq was a Judge and hence the nickname from the somali words gar "justice" and xajis ie xejis "holding".

• Habr Jeclo; also nickname of Musa bin Ishaq

• Arab; literally just Arab a nickname of Muhammad bin Ishaq


Sorry for the rest I've no clue, even though Hawiye could come from Haw which means the whistle of wind so Hawi-ye would mean whistle-blower or something. Another meaning would also come from Haw which means the sound a carnivore or a man makes when trying to take something forcefully.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Thank you all for the good info.
Thus far, these are the ones with their meanings unknown:

• Yibir
• Kablellax
• Ogaadeen
• Sade
• Dashiishe

Postscript:
Sade (Xasan) - the root term being 'Sad', as in 'Alle ha kuu sad buriyo' meaning good fortune.

 

[killerxsmoke]

What does gidir mean guys?

 

[Northern Swordsman]

What does gidir mean guys?

Gidir means a female animal which gives no milk.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Thank you for remembering 'Habar Gidir', as I inadvertently left it out. Was he a late comer to mother with many daughters, or an only son by the mother?

Others of interest include:

• Awal as in Habar Awal
• Ogaslabe
• Kablellax
• Ogaadeen
• Kuumade
• Koombe

What is the difference between 'Absame', and 'Ogaadeen'?

Gidir means a female animal which gives no milk.

What does gidir mean guys?

 

[Northern Swordsman]

Thank you for remembering 'Habar Gidir', as I inadvertently left it out. Was he a late comer to mother with many daughters, or an only son by the mother?

Others of interest include:

• Awal as in Habar Awal
• Ogaslabe
• Kablellax
• Ogaadeen
• Kuumade
• Koombe

What is the difference between 'Absame', and 'Ogaadeen'?

Awal is arabic and means first. Abdirahman bin Ishaaq, the youngest of Ishaqs sons was nicknamed that because he was very dearly loved by his father.

Absame: from Ab "Father" and same comes from samo which means kindess, favors and goodness this comes from san which means good, goodness. Absame = Father of Goodness, Father of Favors.

Ogaadeen probably just means the 3. person plural past tense of 'og' which means to know. So it would be "They've come to know or They've known"

 

[backgroundISneeded]

Thank you for remembering 'Habar Gidir', as I inadvertently left it out. Was he a late comer to mother with many daughters, or an only son by the mother?

Others of interest include:

• Awal as in Habar Awal
• Ogaslabe
• Kablellax
• Ogaadeen
• Kuumade
• Koombe

What is the difference between 'Absame', and 'Ogaadeen'?

Waa maxay Absame ?


Wax ka baro Beelweynta Absame
waa barnaamijkii taxanaha ahaa oon maanta ku soo qaadanayno curadkii Absame Beelweynta Jidwaaq.
Jidwaaq absame:
jidwaaq absame wuxuu ahaa curadkii awoowe absame, oo dhalay afartii caruur ee kala ahaa; Ogaadeen, Weyteen, Baalcad iyo Jidwaaq.
jidwaaq absame wuxuu ukala baxaa sadex lafood oo waaweyn:
Yabare, Bartire Iyo Abasguul.
Yabarre wuxuu dagaa daanta kore ee togga jarareed ee carro-sanka ah, kuna meegaarsan jigjiga ilaa laga gaaro qaybta hoose ee togga faafan, koonfurbari ahaan, iyo dhagaxle & xaadow waqooyi ahaan.
Yabarre wuxuu ka koobanyahay jinfooyinka: Reer Said, Reer Yuusuf, Reer Habarliyo Reer Hodan Barre, and Reer Biyo. intaa waxaa dheer yabaruhu waxey magaala ahaan ku badan yihiin jigjiga iyo Haruureys.
waxay kalooy ku faahsanyihiin gobolada nogob afdheer iyo jarar oo ay si teel teel ah u joogaan.
Bartiruhuna wuxuu dagaa qaybaha sare ee togga jarar iyo dhulka carro-sanka ah ee beeraha ku wacan ee ku wareegsan magaalada jigjiga iyo Shabelay - waxaa kaga teedsan dhanka koonfur-bari togga faafan, dhagaxle iyo xaadowna dhanka waqooyi.
Soomaliya waxey ka dagaan degmada Xagar ee jubada dhexe.
Bartire wuxuu ukala baxaa: Reer Ali, Reer Guuleed, Reer Samatar Dayl, Ableele, Lagmadoobe Timo case, Tuuro Case Habar Yuusuf and Habar sacad.
Jigjiga iyo xaadoow waa labada magaalo ee ay dagaan Bartiruhu, Nogob iyo Jarar waxey u dagaan si teel teel ah.
Abasguul wuxuu dagaa qaybta hoose ee togga jarar iyo magaalada Qabri-Bayax iyo waayadan danbe oo ay jigjiga soo buux dhaafiyeen,
waxeey kaloo dagaan, Gilo, Guyobe, Araarso, Istabta, Dhurwaale iyo Digriileey.
soomaliya waxey kadagaan Naasiriyya oo katirsan degmada xagar ee gobolka jubada dhex. iyo nogob oo ay si teel teel ah u dagaan.
Abasguul wuxuu ukala baxaa: Reer Faarax, Reer Geedi, Reer Guuleed, Reer xildiid, Reer Ibraahim, xassan cusmaan, Ismaaciil, Ciise, Reer aw-nuur iyo Looqe.
Taariikhda Jidwaaq oo kooban: Maadaama curadkii Absame uu ahaa Jidwaaq waxaa la isku waafaqsanyahay in ay saldanadii absame iyagu hayeen mudo dheer oo garaadadii Bartire ay Absame idaylkii u talin jireen, waxaase laxusaa in mar dhexdii ah uu khilaaf xoogani dhex maray Jidwaaq dhexdooda, qoyska Ogaadeen oo ahaa walaalka Jidwaaq ayaa waxaa lasheegaa in uu la saftay qoyska Abasguul ee Jidwaaq oo ladiriraayay garaadadii Absame ee bartire, waxayna ku doodaan odayaasha Bartiruhu, in bartire uu ahaa lafta ugu laandheeraysan absame, laakiin xasuuq adag oo loo gaystay inta la isugu tagay ay dhashay in Bartire yaraado Ogaadeen iyo Abasguulna ay ka tiro bataan.
wixii intaa ka danbeeyay absame wuu kala guuray. Ogaden saldana cusub buu yeeshay, wuxuu caleema saartay ugaas Khalaf Madoobe Xasan Dheere.
Garaaadii Bartire waxay, sii ahaayeen garaado jidwaaq, waxaa ugu caansan garaadadaa Bartire, Garaadkii magaca Dheeraa ee soomalidu meelay dagto ba sheekooyinkiisa iyo waayihiisa ku taariikheysato, waa Garaad Faarax Garaad Xirsi ( wiil waal) wuxuu ahaa garaadkii 18naad ee silsiladii garaadada bartire iyo jidwaaq absame. wuxuu leeyahay sheekooyin iyo taariikho lagu dhigi jiray dugsiyada waxbarasho ee dowladii dhexee soomaaliya, halkanna kuma soo koobi karnotaariikhdaas, cidii u baahani wey heli kartaa oo waa buux.
dhulkan hodan-ka ah ee eebe ku manaystay Jidwaaq ee labada togg ay maraan; Faafan iyo Jarar, waxaa laga furtay gaaladii Oramada ahayd ee asal ahaan dagi jirtay, Hogaamintii garaadada ee dagaal galinta ku xeeldheeraa ayaa mahadaa oo dhan lahaa,
Jidwaaq Iyo maanta: jidwaaq waa qoyska hormuudka Xadaarada ee absame, waxey leeyihiin magaala madaxda soomaalida ogaadeenia(DDSI) jigjiga. waxey leeyihiin diasporada(qurbajoogta) ugu badan ee absame waqooyiga ameerika, waxaa usoo kacaya jiil wax bartay kana faaideeystay fursadaha xadaaradeed ee ilaah siiyay jidwaaq, sida, caasimadda oo ah meesha waxbarashada iyo horumarka ugu tayada fiicani uu ka jiro dagaanka, iyo fursadda kalee ah dhoofitaanka ay u dhoofeen dibadda oo iyadana leh faaiidooyin dhaqaale iyo mid ilbaxnimo.
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[killerxsmoke]

Thank you for remembering 'Habar Gidir', as I inadvertently left it out. Was he a late comer to mother with many daughters, or an only son by the mother?

Others of interest include:

• Awal as in Habar Awal
• Ogaslabe
• Kablellax
• Ogaadeen
• Kuumade
• Koombe

What is the difference between 'Absame', and 'Ogaadeen'?

Habr gidir name is madarkios do u know what that means