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Etymology of these names?
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It's a cool meaning
al-Mu'tamid Ψ§ΩΩ ΨΉΨͺΩ Ψ―
ΨΉΩΨ΄Ω Ω ΩΨ§ Ψ΄ΩΨ¦ΩΨͺΩ ΩΩΨ₯ΩΩΩΩΩΩ Ω ΩΩΩΩΨͺΩ
"og" can also be used in Somali to mean "son of".
Is the suggestion that 'madal' is a derivative of 'madar'?
I would have thought 'madarkicis' is a compound name of 'madar' meaning rain, and 'kicis' to arrive at 'madarkicis', which is a name you would give to a child being born after a heavy rainfall, in other words, his birth gave rise to the rain stopping; just a thought.
Very interesting; could you elaborate on this?
al-Mu'tamid Ψ§ΩΩ ΨΉΨͺΩ Ψ―
ΨΉΩΨ΄Ω Ω ΩΨ§ Ψ΄ΩΨ¦ΩΨͺΩ ΩΩΨ₯ΩΩΩΩΩΩ Ω ΩΩΩΩΨͺΩ
It was in a book called "Oral poetry and Somali nationalism". I don't know where exactly. If the book is not that reliabe I'd like to know.
Habar gidir was named after the mother - Raaray (caisha) the Daughter of Gidir Karanle .
Especially because she raised 2 of out of 4 of the sons of Madarkicis as her own thus named them after her as a sign of appreciation. She bore him Cayr and Sarur I believe
but raised Sacad and Saleeban.
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No. There is no consensus on the name Gidir among the Somali linguists. It does however have a meaning in Harari where it means βbigβ as well as having a connection with city of Harar.
The Gidir Karanle just like the Hawiye of old started as a highland agrarian and commercial group that started settlements in and around what they call saddexda Hoy of Karanle aka Harla, Harar and Hoobat. Some of the elders of Karanle were called "Kalibaar" (The Sole Explorer) and "Ab-Shaacle". or Ab-Shaaciye" (The Father of the Informers). The area where hunters, hunters and miners exchange their products have become large villages, and those villages after Islam, especially during the Adal & Ajuran kingdom, were called "the area of the camels" or the place of "camel exchange" where the treasure is! Thus the name "Geyi-Gidir" became "Gidir Cityβ which is today called βGidir magalaβ on which old Harar sits on and is listed as a UNESCO world heritage site.
Because of the name Gidir not having a proper meaning in Somali but in Harari as well as the cities early connection with the former clan its safe to say the name means Big.
I find it amusing how the majority of Dir is from haplogroup T, which has a strong association with being near mountains.
Did the gadabursi have a history of practicing Christianity prior to Islam? I noticed they have still hang onto christo-Judaic names like Kaahin and Makahil etc
Ain't makahil a muslim name?
Itβs more associated with Christians than muslims. Itβs the Somali variant of Michael
Garaad diinle
ξξξ’ξξ ξ ξξ‘ξξ
It's pronunciation is the exact same as it's in islam. Makahil Ω ΩΩΨ§Ψ¦ΩΩ.
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Yup. Even our closest Middle Eastern distant match under T-BY182320 is a Saudi from the most mountainous province in Saudi Arabia. https://www.matthewstarling.co.uk/asir-region/
And specifically from Rijal Al Alma where they live on a mountain.
Theres a possibility but I'm sure there are many other clans who have these names. Ogaden, Habar Awal, and possibly some others. It's just that we have a bunch of subclans with Makahil included.
Yeah these names are not exclusive to gadabursi, but I just find it odd names like Kaahin which has no obvious Islamic connection is still used by Somalis today
Although Iβm still leaning towards south Semitic lineage of T, Rijal al Alma was a cosmopolitan city with it being a waystation of southerners to go to Hajj so it could just be an assimilated Somali
Garaad diinle
ξξξ’ξξ ξ ξξ‘ξξ
I come across a number of somalis with the name dawit in there genealogy. I think there was a garre one here on this forum there is a madhiban with the name dawit and there was several on james dahl site.
Madhiban r said to have Ethiopian ancestry
Garaad diinle
ξξξ’ξξ ξ ξξ‘ξξ
Genetic testing says otherwise at least for the non j haplogroup ones. The rest cluster with us somalis as far as i know.
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