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Sigh.. you never rest do you

You are a smart and educated person but learn how to swallow your pride sometimes when corrected.

 

[Idilinaa]

You are a smart and educated person but learn how to swallow your pride sometimes when corrected.

You ignore the corrections and context i give and spam the same disjointed texts and maps over & over again.

 

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You ignore the corrections and context i give and spam the same disjointed texts and maps over & over again.

I haven’t ignored it. It’s just weak and easily debunked. Do you have an Arab map that we can look into that clearly defines the Somali Indian Ocean coast as Cajam instead of Ajaan? If not then swallow your pride and move on. You can’t call Medieval European “primary” sources from that era as “spamming” lol

 

[Idilinaa]

I haven’t ignored it. It’s just weak and easily debunked. Do you have an Arab map that we can look into that clearly defines the Somali Indian Ocean coast as Cajam instead of Ajaan? If not then swallow your pride and move on. You can’t call Medieval European “primary” sources from that era as spamming lol

Ajam is non-arab speakers. They refered to other places in the same and others parts fo the coast as well.

You just confirm what i explained before without even realizing it, Ajan is how Europeans pronounced Ajam.

 

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Ajam is non-arab speakers. They refered to other places in the same and others parts fo the coast as well.

Show me an Arab map that refutes this Arab map below if you can please.

Arabs clearly arabised the early Latin word Ajan while the early Latin explorers/cartographers used the earlier definitions of Al Idris, Ibn Said and especially Adimishqi’s interpretation for the Hawiye Coast

You just confirm what i explained before without even realizing it, Ajan is how Europeans pronounced Ajam.

Nope, early Europeans denoted the word Ajan for Hawiye as shown here.

They used Dimishqi’s interpretation of Hawiye which is how they came about with the word Accane (Ajan)

 

[TheLand]

I am afraid you are wrong and that source you are using is wrong on all levels. If you could provide an Arab map with the word Cajam for the Somali Indian Ocean coast then I stand corrected but you will never will be able to find it anywhere.

Ajan is a corrupted meaning for Hawiye. The root of the word Ajan is Accannæ, a Latin word. The latin writers as late as 1590 were confirming the modern name for their reference to Ajan is Hawiye.


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Its more than likely they took Arabic bearings of the Coast (Idrisi and ibn Said mention the country of Hawiye, Dimashqi goes a bit further and calls the south the coast of Hawiya named for its heat - he believed Hawiye is a misreading for Haawiyah and thought its named the area due to its hot hell bound surface).

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Text below confirms the meaning of the Latin word Accane (Ajan)

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Arabic was a lingua franca in mogadishu in several sources and mogadishu was more "Arab" than Zeila in customs and presence. Also ajam (عجم) is spelt differently to (اجان). Unless the whole region from Zeylac to Mogadishu was called Cajam, it makes no sense why only a portion of Berber land between Xamar to Bari in this context would be called Cajam.


For map evidence here is how Ajan is spelt in Arabic. Both states read as Caadil and Ajaan which shows they are both not Arabic terms but Arabised, Caadil is really Awdal here.


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In the same era, here is what Arabs called the lands of the Persians (the traditional rival of the Arabs who were the first to be called Cajam)

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This is bad even for you sxb. Firstly, the below clearly calls out that this is Asia:

it clearly states ‘seconda parte dell’ Asia’….second part of asia. These are Asian locations and you also posted the coordinates (that’s what latitude and longitude mean) of accanae which line up with India. Why are you trying to claim it’s accanne and translating it from Corsican?? This is just shameless.

 

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This is bad even for you sxb. Firstly, the below clearly calls out that this is Asia:
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it clearly states ‘seconda parte dell’ Asia’….second part of asia. These are Asian locations and you also posted the coordinates (that’s what latitude and longitude mean) of accanae which line up with India. Why are you trying to claim it’s accanne and translating it from Corsican?? This is just shameless.

Page 193 has Alexandria (Egypt), Adel (North Somalia), Ajan (South Somalia), Abduluoria (Abd Al Kori the island next to Soqotra), page 194 has Gardafui (Aromata), Berbera (Malao) etc yet all you are deducing is the title of the "second part of Asia"? There is just as much reason to assume it is reffering to seas or lands that connect to Asia. You will not find any of the above named towns and regions in Asia get a grip instead of trying to prove a man wrong for no reason.

 

[TheLand]

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Page 193 has Alexandria (Egypt), Adel (North Somalia), Ajan (South Somalia), Abduluoria (Abd Al Kori the island next to Soqotra), page 194 has Gardafui (Aromata), Berbera (Malao) etc yet all you are deducing is the title of the "second part of Asia"? There is just as much reason to assume it is reffering to seas or lands that connect to Asia. You will not find any of the above named towns and regions in Asia get a grip instead of trying to prove a man wrong for no reason.

Ok, you posted their longitude and latitude. Please prove to us where they were then. Should be easy enough.

 

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Page 194

Page 196 Zeila Adalites. Clearly this is a glossary of ancient towns, states and kingdoms (regno). Is Zeila in Asia lol?

 

[TheLand]

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Page 196 Zeila Adalites. Clearly this is a glossary of ancient towns, states and kingdoms (regno). Is Zeila in Asia lol?

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I don’t care about that, it means nothing to your core thesis. You have the longitude and latitude, tell us how those coordinates arrive at east Africa.

 

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This is bad even for you sxb. Firstly, the below clearly calls out that this is Asia:
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it clearly states ‘seconda parte dell’ Asia’….second part of asia. These are Asian locations and you also posted the coordinates (that’s what latitude and longitude mean) of accanae which line up with India. Why are you trying to claim it’s accanne and translating it from Corsican?? This is just shameless.

You are so low iq lol

Firstly its not translated from corsican thats an automated google suggestion. Here is another example, is Accane now "English to English"?

You can literally test it yourself type "accanne" into latin to english it translates to "fire".

I don’t care about that, it means nothing to your core thesis. You have the longitude and latitude, tell us how those coordinates arrive at east Africa.

Bro you don’t know what you’re is talking about. We all know cartographers were not great with accuracy as late as the 1700s you will find maps that place Mogadishu further north than in some other maps the key point to note here is the linguistics.

You are trying to distract me with irrelevant points like a nacas thinking he is smart. Show me a Zeila, Adel, Guardafui and Berbera in Asia and i will pay you a million dollars.

 

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^ End of the day, Ajan, Adel, Berbera, Guardafui were mentioned in the same index and well defined with ancient and modern names. It is a no brainer.

 

[TheLand]

You are so low iq lol

Firstly its not translated from corsican thats an automated google suggestion. Here is another example, is Accane now "English to English"?

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You can literally test it yourself type "accanne" into latin to english it translates to "fire".

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Bro you don’t know what you’re is talking about. We all know cartographers were not great with accuracy as late as the 1700s you will find maps that place Mogadishu further north than in some other maps the key point to note here is the linguistics.

You are trying to distract me with irrelevant points like a nacas thinking he is smart. Show me a Zeila, Adel, Guardafui and Berbera in Asia and i will pay you a million dollars.

So you admit you are using bogus sources then if you are saying these cartographers weren’t great with accuracy? Do you hear how ridiculous you sound? Everything you are posting is lies. It’s incredible how you manage to derail every thread with your psuedo-qabilist falsehoods.

 

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So you admit you are using bogus sources then if you are saying these cartographers weren’t great with accuracy? Do you hear how ridiculous you sound? Everything you are posting is lies.

^Weak response. If you google the numbers for alexandria egypt for example you'll get a location in the Indian Ocean. Is Alexandria now a town in the Indian Ocean? Lol clown.

Im done here

 

[TheLand]

^Weak response. If you google the numbers for alexandria egypt for example you'll get a location in the Indian Ocean. Is Alexandria now a town in the Indian Ocean? Lol clown.

Im done here

That means either your source is bs then or you don’t know what coordinates are duliyahow

 

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^ Another weak response lol

The purpose of using the source is to state the latin terminology of Ajan. Not its locational use which you can err on the side of caution as the 1500s would have been difficult for Europeans to accurately locate the locations. But even in that regard Alexandria to India and Ajan to India suggests a nearness between Ajan and Alexandria being on the same wider region aka Egypt and Somalia both being "North East" Africa. This is called extrapolation!

 

[TheLand]

^ Another weak response lol

The purpose of using the source is to state the latin terminology of Ajan. Not its locational use which you can err on the side of caution as the 1500s would have been difficult for Europeans to accurately locate the locations. But even in that regard Alexandria to India and Ajan to India suggests a nearness between Ajan and Alexandria being on the same wider region aka Egypt and Somalia both being "North East" Africa. This is called extrapolation!

I’m sorry buddy, but this proves your source is unreliable. You cannot admit they were inaccurate and throw out one part of the document and at the same time accept another part of it. It is unreliable at best. This is simple logic and I will say to you again as I have many times before, logic is not your strong suit and you have serious issues with logical thinking capacity. Good day sir.

 

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The linguistic use of Ajan fits with its Hawiye demonym with terms like Ajan/Ayan/Anian/Aian etc.

 

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It says here "Ajan ou Haouya" (this means "Ajan or Hawiye") in french. It doesn't get more obvious than this.

 

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"Anian"