I'm not sure I'm following your logic. Your societal anecdotes pertaining to bastards aside, you agree its the duty of the man's family to provide for the widow and the children?
Faraaxs has no compassion for the divestors.
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It depends because In Somali culture the woman reverts back to her family house. Hence the idea of a widow belonging to the man’s side is Hindu nonsense. As for the children culturally they are seen as the responsibility of their adeero but humans aren’t ruthless and most fathers and brothers will help their sister. Usually upon death the widow still retains custody unlike divorce and in most cases so comes back home to her father regardless of the qabil she married
As for your reasoning with qabil women still and will always belong to their fathers tribe so the idea of not giving this woman money due to that is nonsense
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Whole bunch of disingenuous cope. How can it be Hindu nonsense when Muslim Somali widows were to marry the deceased's brother? Unless you're implying Somalis were Hindu.
Are you okay Horta
are you going to lie and say that widowed women were always being looked after by their brother in laws and always had to marry them??
That was a way to protect the kids because women would often remarry and instead of men who aren’t related they thought it was better for a man that was related to the kid to raise them but it wasn’t set in stone
what do you think used to happen to women who declined marriage??? It was back to their dads house
why are you lying acting like Somali women weren’t seen as part of their original tribe? The kids were the dads and the woman belonged to her dads tribe
Angie, I see through you. You don't have to make up new aspects of dhaqan just to avoid holding Pakistani men accountable for not wanting anything to do with their dead brother's black family.
Abdisamad
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Yeah right.
It is a fact that upon divorce or widowhood unless she remarries goes back to her clan what’s disingenuous is denying that
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@Reformed J
Always the woman’s clan is responsible for her hence the woman has to be an ambassador rather than a full member that’s common knowledge for any Somali
Haye, I'm gonna go enjoy my vacation sister. Ma salama
Divesting is a movement by women or men (often disgruntled) who make their whole personality about who they are partnered with, and it is chiefly North American/Western. What does that have anything to do with a poor Somali lady with zero connection to the West who is now a widow?
I think it is true that you get less support if you marry out. Particularly among some Somali men who are less sympathetic and rationalize that they don't owe her given her children are Pakistani, as children take after the heritage/clan/last name of their father.
It is almost as though they have forgotten the woman is Somali. In any case, she may get some support from her specific sub-clan, so focusing on that area may help. Or perhaps Somali women or women in general who are sympathetic to her situation.
I think it is true that you get less support if you marry out. Particularly among some Somali men who are less sympathetic and rationalize that they don't owe her given her children are Pakistani, as children take after the heritage/clan/last name of their father.
It is almost as though they have forgotten the woman is Somali. In any case, she may get some support from her specific sub-clan, so focusing on that area may help. Or perhaps Somali women or women in general who are sympathetic to her situation.
The bizzare notion of wanting to "punish" someone who literally did nothing to you requires insane amount of internalized delusions. On top of the low IQ, a lot of our people are also mentally ill. There's no question about it!
Life is no joke. This is a question she should of asked before she got married, why is she shaming Somalis when they have their own dependents to look after?
You make your bed now go lie in it.
You make your bed now go lie in it.
Fair enough. But then where are the Pakistani&gambian people are they not meant to support those 2 women? Because what your implying is Somali dhaqan are very welcoming too ajnabi wimen but when Somali girls marry out they dont receive same love from the people they marry into?
It’s always been the mans family who took care of the kids in many cases the women would marry someone else and the awoowe would take the kids stil quite frequent back home.
In a sense i agree maybe a women who went to Saudi alone to support herself and then found a man cant be called a divestor. It’s not that they’ven forgotten she’s somali its that they dont see her as one of them, this might be touchy but its similar to when Somalis leave the deen the people dont see them as ”somali” likewise for those that marry out this guys dont see them as one of theirs.
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For the people arguing that the women is apart of her tool no matter who they marry did you watch the second video? where the women married to a gambian her own familymembers told her jump of the train when asking for help and in her own word the ”sheekhal” qabiil are not helpful people to her.
i know a case where a somali hooyo went to her qabiil for financial help towards her kids who were imprisoned and they told her go to your husbands qabiil since it’s his people, and funny enough they paid for it. So the women has always been counted as the mans qabiil she marry.
i know a case where a somali hooyo went to her qabiil for financial help towards her kids who were imprisoned and they told her go to your husbands qabiil since it’s his people, and funny enough they paid for it. So the women has always been counted as the mans qabiil she marry.
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techsamatar
I put Books to the Test of Life
Yh those Videos are sad ngl Inshallah good things come her way, especially since they like my Mums generation which is basically last generation of innocent mums, my step mum is a widow aswell.
This younger generation of Halimos especially the divestors who still have an obsession on talking on community of men they are no longer part of aswell as those Femcels who spent decade on Farah's will only be creating men who will no longer have any sense of protection or care for any Somali women no matter how much they are suffering as long as they aren't related to them.
A woman is part of her own clan aka her father's clan. However, if she has kids, then her clan has the right to point out the facts: that a man is responsible to pay for his children. Some clans are definitely more misogynist than others, some clans are definitely less organised and more xaasid towards each other. Blanket statements don't apply to Somali clan behaviours.
It doesn't even reach the 'clan', because that's too far away, unless the woman doesn't have a nuclear family where she lives.
techsamatar
I put Books to the Test of Life
Important topic should be how come that Pakistani family want nothing to do with their in laws? or not even helping in any form and they are so called Muslims too?
This should be a lesson not a reason to bash the Poor Hoyo, culture differences and the white worship of our modern society so why allow your daughter to settle with foreign culture and people knowing if things hit the fan they would most likely want want nothing to do with those Mutt kids.
This why I only Advocate for Any Halimo who ends up Breeding out to only settle for either Oromo Muslim or any Horn African Muslim, aswell as Yemenis since that is most successful and common Ajnabi marriages aswell as the historical mixings and geographical proximity aswell.
This should be a lesson not a reason to bash the Poor Hoyo, culture differences and the white worship of our modern society so why allow your daughter to settle with foreign culture and people knowing if things hit the fan they would most likely want want nothing to do with those Mutt kids.
This why I only Advocate for Any Halimo who ends up Breeding out to only settle for either Oromo Muslim or any Horn African Muslim, aswell as Yemenis since that is most successful and common Ajnabi marriages aswell as the historical mixings and geographical proximity aswell.
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