Xooshdheere
how do i use this
we cannot develop because of tribal reasons. great.
Farmaajo losing somalis confidence FAST.
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You guys have been brainwashed about the big bad opposition. There's nothing wrong with criticising a useless government. Tolerating a weak government won't make the society any better.
Hoosjeed
Guusha ya leh?
I disagree bro, Politics is inherently an adversarial system you need a strong opposition to keep the party in power in check.
Malcolm X
The price of freedom is death
Okay, tell me how opposition should work?
In the British parliament, opposition works by voting against the government on most issues.
Meaning if the government creates a bad law, some MPs of the main party will vote against their own party and all/most opposition will vote against the law as well. The bad law will fail. Party whip means it has to be worth it as they risk being punished by the main party.
With normal laws, MPs will follow whatever their party says to vote.
With less important issues, MPs will have a freedom to vote whatever they want.
This is how it normally works.
But with weak government, you will always have some members rebelling against the government for selfish reasons.
Hearing stories of how the government failed to pass any laws because idiots in the main party wanted police station to be built in their tuulo instead of their rival clan's tuulo will be common
That's secondary to what I was eluding to. I want the government to fear the public. There's no stronger opposition than the civil society. Believe it or not but Somalia has a strong civil society, they are the ones running schools, businesses and even security. You want to tolerate a weak governemnet, and give them time to get stronger. The problem is they will never get stronger if they are not challenged.
I already said that the parliament is useless, they won't get much resistance from illiterate and corrupt MPs. That's even a bigger reason for the public to stand up and be vigilant. Being submissive to a useless government won't bring change.
Malcolm X
The price of freedom is death
Okay, tell me how can we get together to make sure the government is free from corruption?
The civil society you're talking is basically Somaliland, Puntland, Galmudug, etc. They're all effectively useless
We honestly need to keep the government in a check but I can't see how we can do this without avoiding infighting and igniting another civil war
I've said this before. Somalia at its present doesn't need a strong leader. A strong leader will only make things difficult. We need a good manager. Someone who can keep the herd together. A country that's healing from a brutal civil war needs a soft leader that can bring all the opposing groups on board. How can one accomplish that? I have no idea. I do know that at the moment we can't differentiate right from wrong because we have no constitution, we have no legal framework that specifices the responsibilities of the president, PM, SFG, federal states vs SFG. At least sort things out on paper.
Inquisitive_
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Nepotism per say is not a problem but a strength if used in the right way, it creates a long lasting trust bond in a way no other relationship can, allowing you to effectively push the right agenda's without worrying about conflict or being stabbed in the back by turncoat bakhti internal enemy.
The problem with the government is 'appeasement' approach to enemies while undermining their main core support base, the people whom voted in the first and second round when it mattered most overwhelmingly for Farmaajo are the same ones he has thrown under the bus.
That's the crux of the problems here and pretty much the same mistake each president before made, when you appease a group of people that are natural enemies to you the end result is that you loose everyone.
To make matters worse the current security in Xamar is worse then it was under Shariif/HSM because of the premature debacle of removing private security personnel whom kept many neighbourhoods safe from shabab and other tuugo while having no one else to fill that void they left, as a result chaos is ensuing in many parts that were safe before.
I was speaking to a very optimistic relative the other day whom said he planned to move to Kenya as a result of these debacles, what kept order in Xamar was these private security firms which businesses and regular people paid to protect/police neighbourhoods from shabab and criminals outside of any government interference (neither Shariif/HSM dared to)
A lot of these destructive agenda's which the PM opposes comes directly from Farmaajo and his advisers whom are hell bent on doing an afbijo in Xamar by causing chaos in order to use this as a means of moving the capital to Kismaayo for which the ground base is already prepared.
This is the end game here and hence why the key ministerial positions that will make this move possible legally have already been appointed beforehand specifically by Farmaajo request (3 key positions that begins with the interior)
If this menace continues we are looking at war in the North (over the SCC regions with Somaliland) which the SFG has instigated in a big way even getting the IC to support them like never before and cut funding to Somaliland, the SFG is also engineering a coup against Gaas in Puntland which could open up another front, then you have the tense stand off in Koonfur ready to ignite and the distrust in Jubaland heating up, it's not looking good.
The problem with the government is 'appeasement' approach to enemies while undermining their main core support base, the people whom voted in the first and second round when it mattered most overwhelmingly for Farmaajo are the same ones he has thrown under the bus.
That's the crux of the problems here and pretty much the same mistake each president before made, when you appease a group of people that are natural enemies to you the end result is that you loose everyone.
To make matters worse the current security in Xamar is worse then it was under Shariif/HSM because of the premature debacle of removing private security personnel whom kept many neighbourhoods safe from shabab and other tuugo while having no one else to fill that void they left, as a result chaos is ensuing in many parts that were safe before.
I was speaking to a very optimistic relative the other day whom said he planned to move to Kenya as a result of these debacles, what kept order in Xamar was these private security firms which businesses and regular people paid to protect/police neighbourhoods from shabab and criminals outside of any government interference (neither Shariif/HSM dared to)
A lot of these destructive agenda's which the PM opposes comes directly from Farmaajo and his advisers whom are hell bent on doing an afbijo in Xamar by causing chaos in order to use this as a means of moving the capital to Kismaayo for which the ground base is already prepared.
This is the end game here and hence why the key ministerial positions that will make this move possible legally have already been appointed beforehand specifically by Farmaajo request (3 key positions that begins with the interior)
If this menace continues we are looking at war in the North (over the SCC regions with Somaliland) which the SFG has instigated in a big way even getting the IC to support them like never before and cut funding to Somaliland, the SFG is also engineering a coup against Gaas in Puntland which could open up another front, then you have the tense stand off in Koonfur ready to ignite and the distrust in Jubaland heating up, it's not looking good.
Hopefully Farmaajo has a secret plan (hasn't shared anything with us yet) and pulls through.
If he doesn't by the end of 2017; then he's obviously part of the conspiracy to keep the status quo of chaos until Somalia breaks up into bite sized pieces for our rivals.
At the very least he should be figuring out ways how to increase government revenues in his jurisdiction (apart from milking NGO workers).
We need interest groups that are larger than the government in Somalia.
In the West it's businesses and industry associations that keep the government in line; not government institutions and voters...
If he doesn't by the end of 2017; then he's obviously part of the conspiracy to keep the status quo of chaos until Somalia breaks up into bite sized pieces for our rivals.
At the very least he should be figuring out ways how to increase government revenues in his jurisdiction (apart from milking NGO workers).
We need interest groups that are larger than the government in Somalia.
In the West it's businesses and industry associations that keep the government in line; not government institutions and voters...
Malcolm X
The price of freedom is death
Perhaps we could have an independent commission funded by a diaspora whose only job is to investigate corruption and arrest people if necessary.
This would need to be done with a permission of the government otherwise the government will just say no and theres nothing we can do
This would need to be done with a permission of the government otherwise the government will just say no and theres nothing we can do
Inquisitive_
VIP
The way things are going I would be surprised if he even lasts until 2017 unless drastic changes are made, it's one amateur blunder after another the government is making, at one point you have to ask yourself if it's just 'incompetence' or rather is this all done by design as part of the conspiracy?
The more days go past, the more the early detractors are vindicated in their assessments, before he was elected I heard he had qabiilist agenda to move the capital which he saw as his ONLY KEY goal.
I simply dismissed this at first, but everything he has done so far proved this notion to perfection, the regular parliamentary sessions in Kismaayo and the appointment of the 3 key ministerial positions beginning with the 'interior' all people from the same clan with vested interest that will make such a move a legality when that time comes, these were specifically requested by Farmaajo.
The only thing left now is to engineer a revolt in Xamar in order to trigger this plan into action which is being planned in many creative ways, one of them is by removing all private security personnel's leaving a gaping void for shabab/bandits alike to fill in order to wreck havoc which is already happening in the capital in brutal ways never seen before with the previous administrations.
The other idea being flirted with is to start an inter HAG war (we saw recently with the high profile deaths causing tensions which we know who is behind it) and if this fails ensuing public revolt will make this possible (whom are learning of his clandestine plan after a series of brazen open provocations).
You can also see this plan from his speeches/actions, he spoke out against Berbera but not the UAE deals for Bosaaso/Kismaayo, he is privately undermining Sakiin Baraawe and has stopped Hiirshabelle Ceel-Macaan port.
He was part of the group that persuaded IC to cut funding to Somaliland over SSC region, he is collaborating with clannist hard-line daroodist Faroole (like himself) to remove Gaas, the same plan is in motion to do the same with madoobe, we know the great blunder speech in Jubaland when he said the people should unite with "puntland" then quickly corrected himself.
Horaa loo yiri tuug intaa aan la sheegin buu isa sheegaa iyo nin labo faras mar wada fuula, futadaa dillaacda, these duplicity's have not gone unnoticed to the general public and the likelihood of it backfiring is very great.
This is balkanization on steroids, Ethiopian currency is being used now in many regions in Somalia unprecedented before, the evidence and writings are on the wall, all the people filling their ministerial positions have 'balwad' most of them drink alcohol, everyone knows this, you know a man by the type of people he chooses or surrounds himself with and the bulk of them are alcoholics.
Malcolm X
The price of freedom is death
Very interesting.
A few more major incidents will determine whether he's acting in the interests of his own clan or not
embarassing
VIP
Farmaajo is not a qabilist, thats BS.
Mohamedali
Sug dee ninyahow
How much bullshit can people display in one thread don't try undermine the new government by Allah I swear it's doing a good job let's walk before we can fly
Shut the hell up, and give the man a chance. Stop embarrassing reer diini, you don't own that name.
Mohamedali
Sug dee ninyahow
People like him is the cause of chaos just fucking chill
It's really disgusting, when there are people dying of tahriib and this guy is sitting safely in the West. Let's give the new government a chance, if we refuse to govern ourselves then foreigners will do it for us. I don't understand how Somalis don't see what's at stake here. We really need to try and save this country.
At least wait till he finishes his first year. Because ghe alternative will be very fighting. Ethiopia and Kenya are waiting to annex us. And you see how they ethnic cleansing us in K5 and NFD.
They are talking like we have better options, either we stay together or will annex by Ethiopia and Kenya.
Mohamedali
Sug dee ninyahow
People always have something to say to boost ther own egotistical interests the saying you can't please everyone really shows itself in this post
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