Farmajo Rejects To Meet Israel

[mrlog]

Farmaajo is a complete disappointment

Adeer u just made a claim.
Are u going to back it up?
Do u really think he's actually in charge or simply a puppet?

 

[Tenacious]

This is what Im saying. These arabs sided with ethiopia over somalia during the ogaden war, aren't ogaden region muslims? is there self determination not a muslim cause? what about kashmiri? somalia has a damn embassy in india, aren't kashmiris muslim who have a right to self determination? My problem is why are we siding with palestinians when it's clearly an arab issue, it's not a muslim problem. If it was a muslim problem there would be no embassies of any muslim country in india and ethiopia who are fighting against muslims but that's not the case. Again intellect n reason wins as usual, hence why we need to forget this chump change you get from arabs for political backing of their causes, they just using us to beef up their political presence to the world saying we got all these losers supporting us in the UN where-ever we vote and any access to their land or sea is closed to market if it isn't in bed with arabs first!!!

This means any nation that u could have a friendly and mutual beneficial relationships with, will see your in bed with the arabs and they have a sway over you and if those countries are at disagreement with arabs, your also in the mix and suffer the consequences. It is mainly these business-men sitting around our ports who are responsible for this, they use dubai port and will make sure any leader of somalia follows arabs cuz their money on the line. We should start getting businessmen to head to china or india countries who dont interfere with your politics

Ah, so because Arabs committed a sin not only against Muslims but Allah we too have to follow in their foot steps. What a stupid logic. This is the problem with Muslims today, they care more about worldley gains and interests than akhira. The prophet (pbhm) prophesized that Arabs will be wiped out, and if you are familiar with the hadith than you should know why. Again Islam is clear on if Musims can be n alley with non Muslims who are at war with Muslims and if Somalia does have embasseys in India than it further shws the sfg hypocricity, that doesnt mean you side with Jew thoughs. rizq comes from Allah and until Somali men understand this no matter who you side with your country will forever remain a cursed hellhole.China, Russia, Israel all non Muslims countries and some Arab countries are friends with Ethiopia so you can forget about them helping Somalia. Ethiopia doesnt not want stable Somalia neither does Kenya and the world respects these two countries wishes rather than bunch evil race of people who hate each other and will always support their own brothers enemy rather than their brother. Somalias politicans and leaders have committed the worse kind of evil against Allah and for that I doubt that country will ever be better.

 

[Saalax Bidaar]

If Farmaajo actually did this, then he just earned my respect.

We Hate the Yehuds not because of Arabs but because they are detrimental to everything we stand for.

 

[World]

WTF!

So handing over Somali Muslims who are trying to free our land from kuffar subjugation for the past 100 years is fine, but establishing relations with Israel is not?

 

[Tenacious]

WTF!

So handing over Somali Muslims who are trying to free our land from kuffar subjugation for the past 100 years is fine, but establishing relations with Israel is not?

The hypocrisy of farmaajo is unmatched. Ths autistic dhaadhaan thinks Somalis have forgotten what he has done.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Ah, so because Arabs committed a sin not only against Muslims but Allah we too have to follow in their foot steps. What a stupid logic. This is the problem with Muslims today, they care more about worldley gains and interests than akhira. The prophet (pbhm) prophesized that Arabs will be wiped out, and if you are familiar with the hadith than you should know why. Again Islam is clear on if Musims can be n alley with non Muslims who are at war with Muslims and if Somalia does have embasseys in India than it further shws the sfg hypocricity, that doesnt mean you side with Jew thoughs. rizq comes from Allah and until Somali men understand this no matter who you side with your country will forever remain a cursed hellhole.China, Russia, Israel all non Muslims countries and some Arab countries are friends with Ethiopia so you can forget about them helping Somalia. Ethiopia doesnt not want stable Somalia neither does Kenya and the world respects these two countries wishes rather than bunch evil race of people who hate each other and will always support their own brothers enemy rather than their brother. Somalias politicans and leaders have committed the worse kind of evil against Allah and for that I doubt that country will ever be better.

U seem to be like the average somali. U actually fall for this propaganda about helping your brother and Islam. If this was true, we wouldn't see an arab embassy in Ethiopia or India where muslims are struggling for freedom. When we assess Somalia allies they are all friends of arabs, when we assess Somalia enemies they are all enemies of arabs. Your god is arab and u refuse to say this, its not allah, that is what secularist are telling you on this forum!!! Your interpretation of islam is from an arab for arab gain or else you will need to explain why they dont have a consistency on their foreign policy. If palestine is a just cause so should ogaden and kashmir, but there is no consistency hence secularists are telling u religion is simply a means to an end for arabs its not genuine and Somalia fall for it.

Secularists are merely saying we dont care if someone is a muslim, we prefer to analyze the persons action not what he believes. One's ficil is far more important to us then ones identity. Hence intellect n reason looks at one behavior, actions and reviews if this is beneficial or not. Where-as you look at someone identity(does he pray) with a total disregard to his (actions). This is where the huge clash is between pro secularist and pro islamists. Its not religion at all.

If muslims for example had all the power, knowledge, wealth. I would tell u ok we got something to gain here, let's go to the muslims. But since they have nothing, I have nothing to gain by siding with them, infact by siding with them I am encouraging their hopelessness where-as if I didnt side with them like turkey ataturk, look how he is helping somalia today. If there was no ataturk, turkey wouldn't of been capable of helping us. U see wise decisions like that, leave a lasting impact!!! That somalia could of actually been helping the muslim world if we just detached ourselves from the misery they are in and come back to do an islamic renaissance.

 

[Tenacious]

U seem to be like the average somali. U actually fall for this propaganda about helping your brother and Islam. If this was true, we wouldn't see an arab embassy in Ethiopia or India where muslims are struggling for freedom. When we assess Somalia allies they are all friends of arabs, when we assess Somalia enemies they are all enemies of arabs. Your god is arab and u refuse to say this, its not allah, that is what secularist are telling you on this forum!!! Your interpretation of islam is from an arab for arab gain or else you will need to explain why they dont have a consistency on their foreign policy. If palestine is a just cause so should ogaden and kashmir, but there is no consistency hence secularists are telling u religion is simply a means to an end for arabs its not genuine and Somalia fall for it.

Secularists are merely saying we dont care if someone is a muslim, we prefer to analyze the persons action not what he believes. One's ficil is far more important to us then ones identity. Hence intellect n reason looks at one behavior, actions and reviews if this is beneficial or not. Where-as you look at someone identity(does he pray) with a total disregard to his (actions). This is where the huge clash is between pro secularist and pro islamists. Its not religion at all.

Again, just because Arabs chose worldly gain over akhira doesnt mean i too have to disobey my lords commands and commit the same sins as the Arabs. My God is NOT an Arab or Somali, he is not like Arabs or any of his creation. Now that youve made it clear that you are a non Muslims I will not further have anymore discussions with you. As much of a hypocrite and a devil farmaajo is i am glad he did this.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Again, just because Arabs chose worldly gain over akhira doesnt mean i too have to disobey my lords commands and commit the same sins as the Arabs. My God is NOT an Arab or Somali, he is not like Arabs or any of his creation. Now that youve made it clear that you are a non Muslims I will not further have anymore discussions with you. As much of a hypocrite and a devil farmaajo is i am glad he did this.

I am not here to prove my islam to you, when I die, your the last one on my mind. So it's pointless for me to get upset or angry of what u think my religious position is, cause at my death-bed you won't be there nor will anyone else. So I honestly do not get upset about these things. But what I do get upset about it, is how you have taken an arab to be your god, it's his interpretation of islam that you say is 'godly' which I disagree with. It's merely his interpretation and it's human, to submit to a human who is fallible is the worst form of shirk especially if your ideas of islam are far superior to that person. Intellect and Reason will always be the victor, in my opinion. If you cant prove what your saying thru intellect n reason, it's not from god cuz how can a human out-smart god its not possible!!! so the only logical response is your interpretation is flawed and your god is human an arab and hence why it can be refuted and debunked so easily!!!!

 

[DR OSMAN]

Again, just because Arabs chose worldly gain over akhira doesnt mean i too have to disobey my lords commands and commit the same sins as the Arabs. My God is NOT an Arab or Somali, he is not like Arabs or any of his creation. Now that youve made it clear that you are a non Muslims I will not further have anymore discussions with you. As much of a hypocrite and a devil farmaajo is i am glad he did this.

To be quite honest brother, I dont even think you believe in god or else why would u be so concerned what someone else is? when your in your last day on a hospital bed, are u going to think about someone else? see that's how I detect frauds, when im dying I am not thinking about anyone else!!! your a muslim for mere social reasons cuz other people beliefs are so important to you. Dont worry I was at that stage once, but luckily for me I had a personal disaster in my life that set things straight for me. I realized religion is totally between u and god, becuz that's all u have on your last day people wont count anymore. I live my life like that everyday making a huge separation between worldly matters(secularism) and spiritual matters(god) but its clear u havent cause your identifying with muslim causes around the world, calling others non muslims, your screaming out for 'conformity' to the social norms of your culture its nothing short of shirk and human worship. I am not sure what your gain or intention is though. Maybe you want to get a good wife, respect in the community, scared to be outcase, etc. I am not sure but it's shirk because humans are more important to you and what they think then god, god is just a means to an end for you. But at the same time, I am not 100% sure because you might actually truly believe what your saying and if you do that's the level of your brain power which I cant criticize. I mean honestly can u criticize someone who reads something slower then everyone else but is using his full capacity? of course not. See I am also bendable with my analysis!!! Thats the great thing about secularism, all factors are taken into consideration before any conclusion is reached.

Don't worry I was there, maybe when u face a personal disaster in life, u will see whats important and whats not anymore!!! till then we need to keep you out of power in somalia

 

[DR OSMAN]

Religiously speaking, I think those who go to hell are those who die on their last day and lived a life of a lie to themselves satisfying social norms yet at the same time knowing what they were doing was just a show or a means to an end. They had the capacity to think outside the box but refused to. I think that is the definition of a kuffar(some1 who conceals the truth) notice u conceal the truth(to think outside of the social norms) and comply with everything around you even though u mentally and spiritually know it is 'false'. Notice how it's established you know the 'truth' because you see the falsehood in your society but u still comply with the falsehood even though inside you know it's garbage. Now this doesn't mean you have to go outside and preach to the whole world about the truth, just dont lie to yourself on your deathbed to god cuz I don't think it's going to have a nice outcome.

But someone who is just a blind follower but is using all his capacity and has no regrets when he dies, I honestly do not believe that person is going to be punished. Can you punish someone who has used all his brain power? of course not!!! My grandmother was a very loyal person to islam, she truly believed everything the imam and sheikhs taught, that was her mental capacity utilized at its fullest. There surely can be no blame on such a person if their is then I would be quite concerned!!! But people like me or others in this forum who see the bullshit like a bright day and continue to follow it and die like that knowing we concealed the 'truth' to ourselves, I don't think their is much mercy on that person. You lied to yourself to live a life that was totally devoid of god and to merely satisfy your societal norms.

That's why I think should be varied in it's approach. Not this pull everyone into one room and have them do the same thing. Islam should cater to the individual not the ummah!!! the ummah are at various level of enlightment. Some are at rational stage and want debates, some more philosophical, some more worship, some more historical, everyone is different and islam needs to cater to it and it can only do it by opening up the teachings to various levels!!!

This idea we are all going to be judged the same way is just bullshit. Everyone will be judged according to their abilities. Just like a class room is judged by each student ability, there isn't a one grade system for the whole class nor will there be for mankind!!! thats my honest views

 

[Arma]

Something I've noticed about Somali 'non-practicing' secular Muslims and Murtads, is their love and support for Israel. They say and accuse us, practicing and believing Muslims, of 'bootyclapping' for anything and everything Arab, and worshipping Arabs, while they do the similar for the West and Israel.

They want to take us, from 'bootyclapping' for one people, to 'bootyclapping' for another people. Enough with the 'bootyclapping' already. Why can't we do our own thing? F*ck both Arabs and The West+Israel.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Something I've noticed about Somali 'non-practicing' secular Muslims and Murtads, is their love and support for Israel. They say and accuse us, practicing and believing Muslims, of 'bootyclapping' for anything and everything Arab, and worshipping Arabs, while they do the similar for the West and Israel.

They want to take us, from 'bootyclapping' for one people, to 'bootyclapping' for another people. Enough with the 'bootyclapping' already. Why can't we do our own thing? F*ck both Arabs and The West+Israel.

I agree 100% I don't like the booty-clappin either but you need to start somewhere. It's better booty-clappin for people you actually get something tangible out of then one who u get nothing but misery from. Intellect and Reason is all Im saying should be a first tool to make decisions. I am not saying cut all ties with arabs, heck we use dubai as our port. What we should is start looking for ways to get away from that port and anything arab just distance ourselves so we can forge a new path rather then returning to the same dreaded path over and over decade after decade

 

[TheSayid]

why give shabaab propaganda material, for all we know he met with them and than said he rejected it for this purpose. we can't really have any real open relationship with israel anyways until shabaab is completely destroyed.

 

[DR OSMAN]

why give shabaab propaganda material, for all we know he met with them and than said he rejected it for this purpose. we can't really have any real open relationship with israel anyways until shabaab is completely destroyed.

I agree 100% that shabab and politically detaching ourselves from arabs will need to be a priority. I am not for one second saying, it can happen tommorow but within 10-20 years should be the aim. First is getting somalis to reject arabism by distancing ourselves from their politics and business, ensuring our clerics get taught from other Islamic nations who have less ties with them, it will take a while but a deprogramming schedule needs to start. NO change happens in one big hit sxb, even nature it isnt like that, it's subtle changes at first and we need to subtly apply these changes over a 10-20 year period.

 

[DRACO]

why give shabaab propaganda material, for all we know he met with them and than said he rejected it for this purpose. we can't really have any real open relationship with israel anyways until shabaab is completely destroyed.

You can not have relations with Israel until Palestinians get justice remember President of villa Somalia is a Turkish stooge , Erdogan Hates Israel and wants justice for Palestine , Somalia is a weak country that cannot afford to have it own opinion . Even if farmaajo had a choice I think he is truly a anti Zionist . So win win . But Faramaajo doesn't realise he is too a occupier .

 

[Steamdevolopment]

You can not have relations with Israel until Palestinians get justice remember President of villa Somalia is a Turkish stooge , Erdogan Hates Israel and wants justice for Palestine , Somalia is a weak country that cannot afford to have it own opinion . Even if farmaajo had a choice I think he is truly a anti Zionist . So win win . But Faramaajo doesn't realise he is too a occupier .

Occupier of what now?

 

[DRACO]

Occupier of what now?

 

[Ferrari]

Farmaajo is corrupt to the core. The arabs pay him, so of course he'll service them.
f*ck him.

 

[sgfrmtheblock]

We can never be completely detach our selves from the arab world. When it comes to our trade they are our most important buyers, unless we diversify our products we need to keep them close. Them interfering in our politics is going to inevitable we just need to play our cards right like our midget neighbours Ethiopia having good relations with US and China.

 

[D2HUM8L31NE]

And for those of you wondering that Climate change will also cripple Somalia-

East Africa will become one of the most lush and watered regions in the world by the end of the century, based on the latest survey data.

Somliland and Puntland will be green!!!


Kenya and Uganda will be a lake!!!

Yo is this shit real wallahi you bought my faith in somalia back although I would probably be in my 90s I'm still happy