Federalism And My Suspicions

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DR OSMAN

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I know we all talk about federalism good points and bad points. Like Federalism makes us weaker and vulnerable to foreign powers while the flip side says lets build from the ground up bit by bit not in one swoop like national govt. I understand and accept these ideas and I am pro federal but I think there is far more sinister reasons for it. Alot focus on foreigners wanting to keep Somalia divided. I honestly don't think that's true. Foreigners could care less if your one house or not as long as your not working against their interest. That's why every national conference was centralized approach, they weren't pushing their agenda on us, noone can tell you how you rule yourself. They didn't turn around and say if you don't follow our model of govt you can't hold your conference here.

I think there is far sinister reasons for it and based on my analysis, I think it was a daarood invention for the pure reason to keep Hawiye divided. Hawiye strategically is located close to each other and their power is very central, it hasn't scattered everywhere like Darod. So a Super Hawiye state would basically eat the smaller fragmented Darod states due to the fact they are so far apart from each other, their power isn't concentrated and can't assist each other. It would be strategically suicidal for Darod to support a Super Hawiye State. We saw what happened with the USC. If Abdilahi yusuf didn't shift gear and support Ali Mahdi and cause a war among hawiyes, it would've been over for Darod. A Super Hawiye state would easily swallow jubbaland and once it does that. It can then move on and swallow Puntland and the main reason is the hawiye power is centralized while the darod is scattered. Outcome is in favor of hawiye. Hence comes in the federal project, break hawiye down and fragment them similar to Darod, now you have balanced any outcome and kept the status quo. Somalia has been in a status quo ever since, have you noticed?

The re-emergence of a Hawiye central authority is totally devastating to Darod and can never occurr. As sub-clans the odds are far better because the clan playing field is fragmented. Unfortunately there were some Darods who weren't long-sighted back then like Omar Jess, Barre Hiraale, etc. But I think since Jubaland creation, the Darod are united in their political position, that a Federal Somalia is a must and the points used to support that are really just things that are sold to the public, but behind close doors, I feel there is far more sinister reasons for it!!! I even noticed how Darod get rattled when they hear of a Super Hawiye conference or something, imagine a Super Hawiye state or authority and the out-cries that will start?

So all you federal supporters, Know even though federalism has benefits, there was always a safety reason for it!!!!

Darod-Rahanwayn should automatically be pro federalism and never support centralism as they are fragmented where-as hawiye is close to each and can centralize it's power. I am Suprised there isn't more unity between those two clans as we share very similar interests!!!
 

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I strongly suggest Darod elders and Rahanwayn elders sit down and talk about what we share in common in terms of interest and unify our voting bloc. I see great opportunity here for a good long healthy relationship!!!

We can point to the Rahanwayn elders what a United Hawiye could possibly do to their regions using historical past and the threats that could come in the future if that ever occurs, where-as that sort of threat is not possible from the Jubaland side as Darods are scattered in terms of it's power and it isn't a threat to them!!! It's evenly balanced!!! We should be long-term allies which isn't the case.
 
Everyone knows that to be a fact. Hawiye clans have been and are the first to unite the Somali people and don't except the artificial borders of Somalia.
Federalism real consequence will be to limit the reach of Mogadishu so national identity will not be watered down. When that happens Somalia as whole would have a Hawiye flavour.

Jubaland is a non issue. It had less than half the population of Mogadishu, maybe one third. Federalism isn't going to help if to escape xamar's orbit. Hargesia declare independence and sees it self as county and while xamar was literally reduced to ash , it was still in Mogadishu's orbit. This doesn't happen even to celestial bodies.
 

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Federalism or confederation or independent clan states there is no escaping the Hawiye
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They are more manageable now. Mogadishu will be a free-zone, clan federation zone basically. GM/HS are broken into different two camps and as sub-clans can be dealt with far easier by JL/SW/PL. I imagine Somalia like a field of puzzles, break down each region into small little pieces on the puzzle and they will check n balance each other without anyone winning which has what has happened. Once certain pieces in the puzzle start to connect with other pieces on the puzzle and other parts of the puzzle are still fragmented and connect due to distance on the board, that's where the problem lies therein.

Thank god for Abdillahi Yusuf, he really did save all Darod backside, if he didn't come out from addis ababa, who knows where the Hawiye borders would've been today!!! I am not saying Hawiye are strong though, I am saying they have a clear advantage all their people n resources are close by, it's easier for them to unite and give them a mission where-as PL/JL are like thousands of miles away and power is fragmented, it can't withstand a united hawiye bloc onslaught if the darods dont find a way to unite it's force quickly. Air and Sea openings between JL/PL must be on the discussion board in the future!!!

Honestly, That's where the advantage is for Hawiye!!! But thankfully that chapter is closed. Oh and SNM were crying for hawiye to unite also, you can guess why!!
 

Hassan Garguute Buldanana

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I dont think it matters whether there is one hawiye super state or not. The point of federalism is that everyone builds thier own region, have autonomy over it and never put all our eggs in one basket. Somalis wouldn't have suffered as we did in 91 if everyone invested in thier regions.

Federalism is the best thing to happen to somalia.
 

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I dont think it matters whether there is one hawiye super state or not. The point of federalism is that everyone builds thier own region, have autonomy over it and never put all our eggs in one basket. Somalis wouldn't have suffered as we did in 91 if everyone invested in thier regions.

It will be a big problem as they are would have an unfair advantage over other states. If they had a state from mogadishu to galkayo, gee that would be huge problem, with one leader. If u can't see that, that's scary. The idea not putting our eggs in one basket, I think is the political sell point, not the true reason behind it!!! Why would abdilahi yusuf back ali mahdi? it's clear to break hawiye up and turn themselves on each other and take the focus off Darod who have a key weakness!!! There is no other explanation for those tactics!!! ha is'babiciyan' bay ka ahayd. Why is our hate for HG so high? they are the only clan who pushes this hawiyenimo idea!!!

If you haven't seen the states in Somalia, they are pretty well balanced. Why u think Mogadishu is such a problem becoming a state? it will turn the balance on top of it's head!!! There is no doubt there was no winner in the civil war because we broke down back to jufo, one jufo vs another there will be no winner as it's fairly evened out and hence the status quo!!! I feel Abdilahi Yusuf wanted this status quo to remain and never see a united hawiye ever again. If u dont remember USC boqor, your pretty bad analyst!!!
 

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It will be a big problem as they are would have an unfair advantage over other states. If they had a state from mogadishu to galkayo, gee that would be huge problem, with one leader. If u can't see that, that's scary. The idea not putting our eggs in one basket, I think is the political sell point, not the true reason behind it!!! Why would abdilahi yusuf back ali mahdi? it's clear to break hawiye up and turn themselves on each other and take the focus off Darod who have a key weakness!!! There is no other explanation for those tactics!!! ha is'babiciyan' bay ka ahayd. Why is our hate for HG so high? they are the only clan who pushes this hawiyenimo idea!!!

If you haven't seen the states in Somalia, they are pretty well balanced. Why u think Mogadishu is such a problem becoming a state? it will turn the balance on top of it's head!!! There is no doubt there was no winner in the civil war because we broke down back to jufo, one jufo vs another there will be no winner as it's fairly evened out and hence the status quo!!! I feel Abdilahi Yusuf wanted this status quo to remain and never see a united hawiye ever again. If u dont remember USC boqor, your pretty bad analyst!!!
What the hell are u talking about? Nobody turned these folks against each other, they did that to themselves. HG, a single sub clan cant unite for shit. I will go as far as saying daroodnimo, hawiyenimo or even somalinimo doesnt exist. Somalia is done, we will continue with this federalism thing till we call it quits.
 

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I assess tactics and try to reach reasonable conclusions. If I see a tactic, I have to question why that move was made or decision and come to a sound rational decision. I am weird yes, But if I don't see something convincing, I simply go back to the drawing board untill I can find something convincing!!!

But this federal project which I do support myself, I think has a-lot more factors at play why it was chosen then what we are told.

Oh don't get me wrong, im not saying the other reason are valid like not investing all ya eggs in one basket, but if that basket was darood, I suspect we wouldn't be so federally minded. If we owned mogadishu, would we be federalists? I highly doubt so!!! That's why I say I cant believe that was the only reason we supported this system for. There was a background that occurred in the civil war that this system was attractive. Yes there was heaps of lack of trust, yes we didn't want one city ruling the nation, that's all valid but when it's start to get analyzed deeply they start to fall apart except the one to keep hawiye divided and level out the playing field like how darods are.

I see huge sensitivity from Darod when-ever HAWIYE get together like it's dooms-day!!! This starts to show me why my hypothesis is correct!!! I don't take stuff at face value anymore, I used too dont get me wrong now I analyze it deeply and see if it holds up to testing!!!
 
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Doctor, you seem to change your opinions more times than you change your underwear. Maybe you should diagnose your self with spilt-personality.
 

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Remember when this dude was talking about plans for reconciliation :mjlol:

I know what I think of works, Because if it works for me, I can't see how it won't work for anyone else!!! But im not going to sit here for another 30 years and become 60 years old and stay in this status quo. That's not an option!!! U can if u want but I dont have too!!!
 
They are more manageable now. Mogadishu will be a free-zone, clan federation zone basically. GM/HS are broken into different two camps and as sub-clans can be dealt with far easier by JL/SW/PL. I imagine Somalia like a field of puzzles, break down each region into small little pieces on the puzzle and they will check n balance each other without anyone winning which has what has happened. Once certain pieces in the puzzle start to connect with other pieces on the puzzle and other parts of the puzzle are still fragmented and connect due to distance on the board, that's where the problem lies therein.

Thank god for Abdillahi Yusuf, he really did save all Darod backside, if he didn't come out from addis ababa, who knows where the Hawiye borders would've been today!!! I am not saying Hawiye are strong though, I am saying they have a clear advantage all their people n resources are close by, it's easier for them to unite and give them a mission where-as PL/JL are like thousands of miles away and power is fragmented, it can't withstand a united hawiye bloc onslaught if the darods dont find a way to unite it's force quickly. Air and Sea openings between JL/PL must be on the discussion board in the future!!!

Honestly, That's where the advantage is for Hawiye!!! But thankfully that chapter is closed. Oh and SNM were crying for hawiye to unite also, you can guess why!!


JL doesn't matter nor exist. It's only kismayo and that warlord/jihadi madoobe. He frankly doesn't care for darood nor Hawiye. Those three gobols are as everyone knows are proto-Hawiye.
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The only instigators of daroodism is puntland. The only real reason galmudug exist is to counter puntland 's psychotic episodes. By puntland we all mean Mj and by galmudug we mean mainly hg. There are no states just clans that claim banu Hashim :mjpls:
 

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Doctor, you seem to change your opinions more times than you change your underwear. Maybe you should diagnose your self with spilt-personality.

I never changed my position. I know how to solve Somalia reconciliation issue. It's very simple that one and straight xeer based, proven and tested to work, it isn't a silly western system when u go outside the tribe is bigger then every god damn institution and these people criticize me and say I am wack-job!!! I must be a wack job when I say f*ck that, why you building something when u walk outside my ina adeer will protect me from it!!!
 

saywalahi

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I assess tactics and try to reach reasonable conclusions. If I see a tactic, I have to question why that move was made or decision and come to a sound rational decision. I am weird yes, But if I don't see something convincing, I simply go back to the drawing board untill I can find something convincing!!!

But this federal project which I do support myself, I think has a-lot more factors at play why it was chosen then what we are told.

Oh don't get me wrong, im not saying the other reason are valid like not investing all ya eggs in one basket, but if that basket was darood, I suspect we wouldn't be so federally minded. If we owned mogadishu, would we be federalists? I highly doubt so!!! That's why I say I cant believe that was the only reason we supported this system for. There was a background that occurred in the civil war that this system was attractive. Yes there was heaps of lack of trust, yes we didn't want one city ruling the nation, that's all valid but when it's start to get analyzed deeply they start to fall apart except the one to keep hawiye divided and level out the playing field like how darods are.

I see huge sensitivity from Darod when-ever HAWIYE get together like it's dooms-day!!! This starts to show me why my hypothesis is correct!!! I don't take stuff at face value anymore, I used too dont get me wrong now I analyze it deeply and see if it holds up to testing!!!
Sxb even in federalism, xamar as the capital will get the most investment and political influence


Federalism is great, America is a federal system.


You’re acting like hawyie is out for blood , why are you so paranoid?

Xamar as a multi qabil city? :russ:
 

saywalahi

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JL doesn't matter nor exist. It's only kismayo and that warlord/jihadi madoobe. He frankly doesn't care for darood nor Hawiye. Those three gobols are as everyone knows are proto-Hawiye.
:mybusiness:
The only instigators of daroodism is puntland. The only real reason galmudug exist is to counter puntland 's psychotic episodes. By puntland we all mean Mj and by galmudug we mean mainly hg. There are no states just clans that claim banu Hashim :mjpls:
These niggas think HG play by their rules

“Only two states combined can be a federal state”

HG: :drakekidding:
 

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Banu Hashim is an isaaq thing, that was like 100 years ago for Somalia.
JL doesn't matter nor exist. It's only kismayo and that warlord/jihadi madoobe. He frankly doesn't care for darood nor Hawiye. Those three gobols are as everyone knows are proto-Hawiye.
:mybusiness:
The only instigators of daroodism is puntland. The only real reason galmudug exist is to counter puntland 's psychotic episodes. By puntland we all mean Mj and by galmudug we mean mainly hg. There are no states just clans that claim banu Hashim :mjpls:

Jubaland is the Second largest administration in Somalia. It even has biggerp ort then Bosaso, plus farms, and rivers, and livestock. It's clearly going to be the richest by far!!! No1 can depose Madoobe like GM/HS. Get real even Sharif Hassan has his shit on lock!!! That hell hole desert your in has shelf life, no1 likes it bro and when the south picks up, it's lock-stock-barrell over. At least I as a Darod have somewhere to go, where u going boy?
 
I never changed my position. I know how to solve Somalia reconciliation issue. It's very simple that one and straight xeer based, proven and tested to work, it isn't a silly western system when u go outside the tribe is bigger then every god damn institution and these people criticize me and say I am wack-job!!! I must be a wack job when I say f*ck that, why you building something when u walk outside my ina adeer will protect me from it!!!


Sxb, there is no Somalia's problem. It's been established that it's Hawiye problem as they are Somalia and no darood problem just puntland problem. :gaasdrink:
Let's call a spade a spade
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@DR OSMAN i am always surpised u or any Pler still believe sharing a nation with the anarchist tutu:mjhaps:


:mjhaps: its just mind boggling

Not if it means being in this situation for another 30 years. That's why I believe secession should be on the table, sidan laguma jiri karo runti qof dan ugu jirto ma aha. But Somalia problem aren't overely complex, it's simply a lack of trust that is the problem. They focus to much on the symptoms and fixing that but symptoms can't be fixed, they just change faces constantly. U need to get to the root of it. Symptoms are like clan rebel groups, warlords, now islamists, they keep changing they aren't fixed. u can't deal with these and even if u do berito weji kale ayaa soo baxayo. It's a never ending cycle when u focus on symptoms. If we start fixing root cause, we might get somewhere and no symptoms will ever been seen again!!!

But they don't wanna fix the root cause, and guess what were in this mess and it's never ending vicious cycle!!! Lack of trust just simply needs strong agreements backed by something they trust like their clan elders in one body with a constitution inspired from their nomadic system which they trust anyways and anyone who breaks it the clan elders all sign off on dealing with the perpertator. It's due to a lack of agreement and even when they do reach an agreement it's a lack of enforcement and oversight to ensure it's actually being seen thru, which leads back to more damn shirwayne.

But don't build me a damn system that I can eventually bribe with money like their mps, courts, govt, etc. Don't build me a system where my clan will step in for me regardless if I am right or wrong. Just don't waste somali money on that shit and our time. It's never going to hold up anyways
 
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