Federalism And My Suspicions

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Not if it means being in this situation for another 30 years. That's why I believe secession should be on the table, sidan laguma jiri karo runti qof dan ugu jirto ma aha. But Somalia problem aren't overely complex, it's simply a lack of trust that is the problem. They focus to much on the symptoms and fixing that but symptoms can't be fixed, they just change faces constantly. U need to get to the root of it. Symptoms are like clan rebel groups, warlords, now islamists, they keep changing they aren't fixed. u can't deal with these and even if u do berito weji kale ayaa soo baxayo. It's a never ending cycle when u focus on symptoms. If we start fixing root cause, we might get somewhere and no symptoms will ever been seen again!!!

But they don't wanna fix the root cause, and guess what were in this mess and it's never ending vicious cycle!!! Lack of trust just simply needs strong agreements backed by something they trust like their clan elders in one body with a constitution inspired from their nomadic system which they trust anyways and anyone who breaks it the clan elders all sign off on dealing with the perpertator. It's due to a lack of agreement and even when they do reach an agreement it's a lack of enforcement and oversight to ensure it's actually being seen thru, which leads back to more damn shirwayne.

But don't build me a damn system that I can eventually bribe with money like their mps, courts, govt, etc. Don't build me a system where my clan will step in for me regardless if I am right or wrong. Just don't waste somali money on that shit and our time. It's never going to hold up anyways

All these solutions are just a waste of time.

 

[kingpin]

These niggas think HG play by their rules

“Only two states combined can be a federal state”

HG:

dude doesn't get the subtext. States are substitute for the real thing Qabil. Two or more would imply two substantive clans uniting for an agreed administration. Just clans not states. It's been established that it's a make believe thing
Puntland have lost its claim as a state it could be argued. SL Have taken dhul and warsanglis :siilaanyolaugh:

HG I mean galmudug will seek RE-annex mudug so it claim to sa state will not be approved

Still, daroodism (puntland,) will still be strong in Bari and claim boqoro of Somali will only grow stronger

 

[DR OSMAN]

dude doesn't get the subtext. States are substitute for the real thing Qabil. Two or more would imply two substantive clans uniting for an agreed administration. Just clans not states. It's been established that it's a make believe thing
Puntland have lost its claim as a state it could be argued. SL Have taken dhul and warsanglis :siilaanyolaugh:

HG I mean galmudug will seek RE-annex mudug so it claim to sa state will not be approved

Still, daroodism (puntland,) will still be strong in Bari and claim boqoro of Somali will only grow stronger

Im sorry bro but this just don't doesn't warrant a response it's not even gonna make a chimp in a tree think on that and it's just walk away. I actually do that when I am not challenged, Wallahi I just get up and move from it in real life in a real bold way too and say ' haye waa inoo berito'

 

[kingpin]

Not if it means being in this situation for another 30 years. That's why I believe secession should be on the table, sidan laguma jiri karo runti qof dan ugu jirto ma aha. But Somalia problem aren't overely complex, it's simply a lack of trust that is the problem. They focus to much on the symptoms and fixing that but symptoms can't be fixed, they just change faces constantly. U need to get to the root of it. Symptoms are like clan rebel groups, warlords, now islamists, they keep changing they aren't fixed. u can't deal with these and even if u do berito weji kale ayaa soo baxayo. It's a never ending cycle when u focus on symptoms. If we start fixing root cause, we might get somewhere and no symptoms will ever been seen again!!!

But they don't wanna fix the root cause, and guess what were in this mess and it's never ending vicious cycle!!! Lack of trust just simply needs strong agreements backed by something they trust like their clan elders in one body with a constitution inspired from their nomadic system which they trust anyways and anyone who breaks it the clan elders all sign off on dealing with the perpertator. It's due to a lack of agreement and even when they do reach an agreement it's a lack of enforcement and oversight to ensure it's actually being seen thru, which leads back to more damn shirwayne.

But don't build me a damn system that I can eventually bribe with money like their mps, courts, govt, etc. Don't build me a system where my clan will step in for me regardless if I am right or wrong. Just don't waste somali money on that shit and our time. It's never going to hold up anyways

Bisinkii, to you Somalia as a concept is this Hawiye extension that was kept at bay and breaking the concept (Somalia) by extension you will seek the death of the Hawiye leviathan. Some people on here just twisted. The Hawiye bogeyman under your bed must be petrifying


If this is what you really think, then imagine this Hawiye leviathan not contained within this framework called somalia. Truth is you can't nor anyone.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I dont think secession will work, it's vicious this tribal stuff. The second every secedes and is independent, the tribal problems will just break back down internally as there is no external threat uniting clans anymore. MJ will be on MJ cuz there is no hawiye or isaaq to worry about. Isaaq will be on Isaaq cause they got no somalia to worry about. That's why I dont think it's the wisest move but I would love we have one final shir a do or die. Either we fix this or we go separate even with those consequences we know but the status quo is just unacceptable!!! And yeah keep Djibouti out of this also, they use as a reason to keep united so they want us in this peril. I cant imagine geele surviving for long with a prosperous somalia next door!!! thats my two cents

On that note boys im out

 

[Yonis]

@DR OSMAN i am always surpised u or any Pler still believe sharing a nation with the anarchist tutu


its just mind boggling

Its just Gaas's administration, the next administration will be much tougher regarding the Galnus problem. Don't forget Gaas waged 2 deadly wars on Galmudug in Galkacyo, something faroole didn't do even when he was spending more than 50% GDP on defence.

 

[whitehartlane]

First Hawiye need to unite saleebaan and Sacad then own xamar outright and fully finally annex afgooye from southwest considering it's 30 km away from Mogadishu..

Once that simple course of action has successfully been achieved you can come for the might faqash..