Fighting breaks out in Galkacyo

[Agent 47]

What lies? I posted links to interviews of the governour and the grandson of the victim.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bc.mar...eeya-puntland-iyo-galmudug-oo-ka-socda-mudug/

Don’t come here with pirateland blog bullshit

 

[XamarCade]

They in the naar section now

They died for the sake of qabiil.

Post the thread, was it originally a development thread?

 

[Yonis]

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/bc.mar...eeya-puntland-iyo-galmudug-oo-ka-socda-mudug/

Don’t come here with pirateland blog bullshit

Show him his sources are wrong and biased by linking website from HAG Caasimada in response.

 

[Inquisitive_]

To be honest it is HG that are causing the trouble in the area. Godod is north of Galkacyo and there is always numerous
ambushes in Balibusle that is deep inside Cumar Maxamud territory. You never hear of MJ attacking Afbarwaqo


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Your knowledge of the demographics in Mudug is really lacking and your maternal bias is showing. Below is the CIA map during the Kacaan era, I M Lewis also used this same map in his book.

No one will argue that both the CIA and the beer soaked Europhile ideologue so called expert on the affairs of Somalia would intentionally lie to favour one clan over the other.

You can clearly see who occupied the entire Gaalkacayo including those areas currently discussed during the kacaan era, the bulk of the people however have decided to migrate away from it to greener pastures ever the Kacaan began to actively help those former SSDF rebels against the people their.

Had it also not been for the Italian intervention during the colonial era when this expansion was taking place initially which they put a halt to, the front-lines today would have been Qardho and only because the weather in Bari is atrocious, Barre used to send the Madows their because they were the only ones that were acclimatised to it.

Ceydiid who was fighting in so many fronts did not even care fighting for it (if he did he would have crush them in a single day) instead he allowed them to take over those dusty kacaan buildings and the airport in a peace deal because a lot of his people already migrated from those front's because of the Kacaan policies.

Ceydiid fought for greener pastures in Benadir and Jubaland against tribes that are known for putting up fierce resistance, with the exception of lealkase, the rest of them from those regions have never been known for their prowess in battle, only their cowardice.

 

[Agent 47]

Your knowledge of the demographics in Mudug is really lacking and your maternal bias is showing. Below is the CIA map during the Kacaan era, I M Lewis also used this same map in his book.

No one will argue that both the CIA and the beer soaked Europhile ideologue so called expert on the affairs of Somalia would intentionally lie to favour one clan over the other.

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You can clearly see who occupied the entire Gaalkacayo including those areas currently discussed during the kacaan era, the bulk of the people however have decided to migrate away from it to greener pastures ever since.

Had it not been for the Italian intervention during the colonial era when this expansion was taking place which they put a halt to, the front-lines today would have been Qardho and only because the weather in Bari is atrocious, Barre used to send the Madows their because they were the only ones that were acclimatised to it.

Ceydiid who was fighting in so many fronts did not even care fighting for it (if he did he would have crush them in a single day) instead he allowed them to take over those dusty kacaan buildings and the airport in a peace deal because a lot of his people already migrated to Xamar, while he fought for greener pastures in Benadir and Jubaland against tribes that are known for putting up fierce resistance

The man is from bohol so can’t blame him

 

[Bohol]

@Inquisitive_ there is no bias here. I always thought the border run straight line in eastern Mudug since I am not that familiar with
that area so was surprised to see HG fighting in north of Galkacyo areas all the time.

 

[Abdalla]

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Don’t come here with pirateland blog bullshit

This confirms my initial post. The war started in the outskirts, your brothers lost few bad men and they brought the war to the city of Gaalkayo.

You already admitted you don't want anything to do with them despite your kinship with them.

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

Galkayo isn't useless, it will just not matter as much anymore. Mudug and the vast empty plains are where the attention is needed.

You can't go to xamaar and ask them to solve this problem for you.

The area will mature into a Military/Industrial zone.

The market wants peace, and Puntland must do everything it can to Mute all distraction South and West of Puntland.

In order for Puntland to explode in development and autonomy; you need to create these buffers that block distraction and dissonance.

You are a fucking con artist. Why would we ask Xamar for help in anything let alone urban and economic planning? You are vastly underestimating Galkayo, Galkayo is larger than Garowe and more economically important. You want one of the largest cities to be abandoned and turned into a military base cause of your delusions?

 

[sanger]

Wallahi these Habar Digir mooryaan loyalists have no shame. These brainless beaners are claiming entire cities now including Mogadishu, Gaalkacyo, and Merca. This is a big upgrade from their original claims for new lands in Hiraan beyond matabaan, in the Lower Shebelle, and in the DDSI.


I have seen one of these fools claim to that HGs own Merca. A few hundred families or some bs.


ABSOLUTELY SHAMELESS!!!!!

UNAKAA LEH is the only language they can understand.


EDIT: I forgot about how they claimed to have a border with the DDSI in Galguduud only a few years ago. kkkkkkk shameless beaners.

 

[Yonis]

Wallahi these Habar Digir mooryaan loyalists have no shame. These brainless beaners are claiming entire cities now including Mogadishu, Gaalkacyo, and Merca. This is a big upgrade from their original claims for new lands in Hiraan beyond matabaan, in the Lower Shebelle, and in the DDSI.


I have seen one of these fools claim to that HGs own Merca. A few hundred families or some bs.


ABSOLUTELY SHAMELESS!!!!!

UNAKAA LEH is the only language they can understand.


EDIT: I forgot about how they claimed to have a border with the DDSI only a few years ago. kkkkkkk shameless beaners lmao.

I know they are complete vermin. It won't be long before they start claiming Kismayo

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

@Inquisitive_ there is no bias here. I always thought the border run straight line in eastern Mudug since I am not that familiar with
that area so was surprised to see HG fighting in north of Galkacyo areas all the time.

It's true those are Puntland lands Godod, Balibusle. Go on google maps and compare lands north and south of balibusle, you will see the drainage system from the Nugal valley that spills to northern Mudug so the lands there are much better grazing grounds and largely untouched. I will post images later to show you.

 

[Deactivated]

I remember 10 years ago we had a similar discussion to make Hobyo the centre, a fierce debate that still goes on until this very day, the stumbling block was similar to the one you are currently experiencing with your obtuse kinfolk on this very thread that have gone as far as to accuse you of being a sheegato.

Their peanut sized brains could not grasp simple economic concepts, multi-tribal cities like Gaalkacayo with constant conflicts is terrible for business, even the location and climate is terrible, it's almost impossible to get your own clan's men to seriously invest in it because of these bad clouds that hang over it

The benefits we have over the residents in Northern Gaalkacayo is that our home is also Mogadishu, which is were the bulk of our safe investments have been going the last few decades along with Afgooye

Hence the proposition for Gaalkacayo was to gradually turn it into a buffer zone while moving all the investments over to port city of Hobyo, this is already happening slowly after a decade of fierce fruitless debates, the first phase is the road construction, Gaalkacayo-Hobyo that is almost complete which was the biggest stumbling block, the second phase is the Hobyo-Mogadishu.

What's interesting is that unlike our sub-clan that calls several cities home including the mighty capital, the reer-mahad branch of Omar mahamoud heartland is just Northern Gaalkacayo and the few tuulo's that surround it, for them as well as their wider clan, Garcad is even more important then Hobyo is to us.

In the conflict of 2016 Xmas when 90.000 people fled the city, our ones fled to wisil that was able to cope easily were the inhabitants are from the same sub-sub-sub clan of those that fled, the reer mahad's predominantly fled to Garowe and Qardho, the lands of other sub-clan's that routinely humiliated them because of ancient rivalry, this was all over radios at the time.

The clan rivalries in Somalia is also between sub-sub-sub-sub-clan's which is something that shocks people that are unaware, because they assume it's only inter clan's.

I say this with respect because the positive exchange between the two regions and clans isn't expressed the way it should be; especially by next generation that needs to clean up the mess.

Personally I have family who died in these exchanges, along side the very kin who call me sheegato for trying to find solutions.

Puntlander defend Puntland not just clan.

What I didn't expect was your remark, that doesn't move the conversation forward.
Xamaar and Afgooye shouldn't have been mentioned at all. This is a Galkcayo/Mudug problem.

Xamaar has no resources and no claim.
You literally and indirectly Xambaar/Carry the very issue we are trying to solve and brought it somewhere else.

This is another reason why I don't invest in Xamaar because the same city the symbolizes solidarity is being claimed by clan. International Aid money designated to solve the problem in Mudug gets hit by the 10km Isbaaro around Xamaar and Aid can't escape.


What If Puntlanders just bought a chunk of undeveloped land along Xamaar and began building it? What does that do for Puntlanders? How does that circle back to the original conversation?

The only way forward, is to have discussions like this and finding ways to compromise.

A buffer zone is imminent. Its just the Odays on both sides consider it ceeb and shameful it had to come that way.

 

[sanger]

I know they are complete vermin. It won't be long before they starts claiming Kismayo

Not all of them. Just these shamless beaner mooryaan loyalists.

Mudane CottonBallz. Didn't you see the grand chief of mooryaan loyalty & ignorance cited a figure from I.M Lewis and the CIA? I thought fitnah making europhilic spinless devilworhipping cadaan folk cannot be trusted.

These bloody beaners kill me. Oh my days.

 

[Deactivated]

You are a fucking con artist. Why would we ask Xamar for help in anything let alone urban and economic planning? You are vastly underestimating Galkayo, Galkayo is larger than Garowe and more economically important. You want one of the largest cities to be abandoned and turned into a military base cause of your delusions?

What are you getting all worked up about?

I'm telling you that Garcaad is where the population will trickle into.
And Galkayo will move investment into industrial parks away from the militarized zone.

You sound like that proud guy from Detroit before it collapsed. Put you pride aside and listen to the wind.

If you want federal autonomy to save your ass, the whole area has to be demarcated.

I'll be taking a swim in Garcaad, sipping tea peacefully to watch the sunset.

 

[Abdalla]

Wallahi these Habar Digir mooryaan loyalists have no shame. These brainless beaners are claiming entire cities now including Mogadishu, Gaalkacyo, and Merca. This is a big upgrade from their original claims for new lands in Hiraan beyond matabaan, in the Lower Shebelle, and in the DDSI.


I have seen one of these fools claim to that HGs own Merca. A few hundred families or some bs.


ABSOLUTELY SHAMELESS!!!!!

UNAKAA LEH is the only language they can understand.


EDIT: I forgot about how they claimed to have a border with the DDSI only a few years ago. kkkkkkk shameless beaners lmao.

Dahir Alasow is somewhat right. They use to graze all the way to Burtinle during the kacaan days. But that was because the MJs in mudug were being prosecuted and a lot of them fled the entire region. They have this fixation with Burtinle border. Even Caydiid wrote in his book that he published in 1994 that his people settle all the way to Burtinle. They view Burtinle as some lost kingdom

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

What are you getting all worked up about?

I'm telling you that Garcaad is where the population will trickle into.
And Galkayo will move investment into industrial parks away from the militarized zone.

You sound like that proud guy from Detroit before it collapsed. Put you pride aside and listen to the wind.

If you want federal autonomy to save your ass, the whole area has to be demarcated.

I'll be taking a swim in Garcaad, sipping tea peacefully to watch the sunset.

. Detroit was the 4th largest city in America and the centre of manufacturing in America, Galkayo is a trade town in the middle of Somalia where a civil war has existed for 30 years, they have nothing to do with each other. It's a weird comparison Galkayo doesn't produce anything, it facilitates commercial business in Central Somalia. It's a service town which managed to grow during a civil war so wouldn't it grow even bigger during stability? If Garacad gets built up some people will move there obviously cause there's work and development but that doesn't mean the old town and its business and trade will be abandoned. Abandoning a trade town and turning it into a military camp is crazy come on son

 

[Merca]

Can someone enlighten me on why they are fighting? What’s galmudug, a region or what?

 

[Abdalla]

Can someone enlighten me on why they are fighting? What’s galmudug, a region or what?

Do you know Puntland? If so, what do you know about it?

 

[Merca]

Do you know Puntland? If so, what do you know about it?

It’s a region in northern Somalia. That’s everything I know.

 

[sanger]

Dahir Alasow is somewhat right. They use to graze all the way to Burtinle during the kacaan days. But that was because the MJs in mudug were being prosecuted and a lot of them fled the entire region. They have this fixation with Burtinle border. Even Caydiid wrote in his book that he published in 1994 that his people settle all the way to Burtinle. They view Burtinle as some lost kingdom

I didn't know about caydiids book. I will try and source it regardless.

All I know is that they are particularly fixated on controlling all of mudug because of Galmudugs illegitimacy. You know, how they only have 1.5 federal regions (0.7 when you take ASWJ into account) when you need 2.0 to make a Federal State. Oh yea, and the general Mooryan expansionism I mentioned earlier. Take Merca for example. They came to Merca in the early 90s and have proceeded to claim the whole city and the surrounding towns for more than 2 decades now, shamelessly. And we have lots of literature that shows this, but they don't care. Even the I.M Lewis historian that @Inquisitive_ cited reports on how certain clan militias, and an idolised warlord entered that city in the 90s to take advantage of the small jetty port, and the nearby airports [1].



Lewis, I. M. (2003). A Modern History of the Somali: nation and state in the Horn of Africa, pp. 277. Ohio University Press. .