Fortified port city in Yemen founded & governed by Somalis

[Three Moons]

@Emir of Zayla, just ignore him. The onus is on him to prove the negative, we don’t have to prove the default. That’s the position scholars make themselves, but you should understand the underlying motive behind his (and others) modus operandi, which is distraction, a malicious tactic Toni Morrison once highlighted nicely in reference to White Supremacists and their shifting demands:

So keep the focus of the discussion on the interesting topic of Somali influence in the Arabian peninsula. You don’t have to qualify yourself to anyone. He will not accept your sources, and there will always be a new demand.

 

[Internet Nomad]

Is there any credible academic source that demonstrates al Maqbul al zayla was Somali? What was his Qabil? Can you show me any book detailing the ruling class of Al Luḩayyah being of Somali origin? Yemenis had a considerable amount of influence and power in Zeila. As a matter of fact, Yemenis ruled over Zeila for a long period of time. Zeila was actually rebuilt and revived by Arabs from Yemen in the 10th century.
Most sources show Arabs from Yemen had a considerable amount of influence, power and control in Somalia.

This nigga keeps coming back like a pest. How many times have people debunked your ahistorical claims and you keep coming back like a masochist

 

[Three Moons]

You guys should look into how a Somali force from Berbera captured and settled in Aden after driving out a different group, thought to be the Malagasy / Austronesian sailors that colonized Madagascar.

“According to Ibn Al-Mujawir, they were expelled by the Berbera, i.e. people of Somali stock, who then colonized Aden and the valley; afterwards, a period of decline and ruin followed until new settlers appeared, coming from Siraf.”

On the Arab System of Nautical Orientation - Marina Tolmacheva​

The future Somali scholars that skim through these old manuscripts and libraries will have a field day, I’m sure.

 

[HabarSteven12]

@Emir of Zayla, just ignore him. The onus is on him to prove the negative, we don’t have to prove the default. That’s the position scholars make themselves, but you should understand the underlying motive behind his (and others) modus operandi, which is distraction, a malicious tactic Toni Morrison once highlighted nicely in reference to White Supremacists and their shifting demands:

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So keep the focus of the discussion on the interesting topic of Somali influence in the Arabian peninsula. You don’t have to qualify yourself to anyone. He will not accept your sources, and there will always be a new demand.

I am willing to retract my statements if you could demonstrate any credible academic or historical source that shows at some point in history the ruling class of Al luhayyah was of Somali origin. I am not immune from committing mistakes. I embrace constructive criticism. Making outrageous statements without any legitimate academic source to back your claim is a blatant disregard for intellectual honesty. The problem with people like yourself is you guys don't embrace constructive criticism. You guys become extremely defensive and aggressive when called out for your historical revisionism. It shows you guys don't have the intellectual maturity to examine and analyze historical sources with a critical eye.

 

[Zak12]

No. Somalis didn't have any influence in any city or port in Yemen. Idrus is being intellectually dishonest. He made up that story. Subhanallah.

Al Luhayyah was certainly not Somali but IIRC, Somalis had a significant presence in Aden and Mocha.

 

[Kurobecky]

We had really retarded historians posing as intellectual fathers of Somali history in the last 100 years, in most cases they were extremely antagonistic against the Somali people or consumed by the clan demon. They did not excavate our ancient sites, nor our medieval sites or our early modern sites. They did not research our ancient script, nor collect the Arabic manuscripts held in private Somali libraries. They did not look through the libraries of Cairo, Damascus or Yemen for the many references to Somalia and Somali scholars. They also did not research the settlements and entrepreneurship of Somali merchants in the Arabian peninsula, Indian subcontinent, Eastern Africa or Southeastern Asia.

I’ve noticed that North Africans ignores their close ties to Somalia as well. Ancient Egyptian has a lot of Somali loan words, too. The Amazigh are basically light skinned left libertarian version of Somalis

 

[Khaem]

I’ve noticed that North Africans ignores their close ties to Somalia as well. Ancient Egyptian has a lot of Somali loan words, too. The Amazigh are basically light skinned left libertarian version of Somalis

We aren't that close to north africans aside from Islam and afro asiact elements.

The reason you find similarities with Egyptian words and Somali words is because they both came from same language family. Afro asiatics.

Egyptians sun got called Ra and the old Somali word for Sun being Rax i just a remnant of this language family.

Same reason Indian languages have similar world for Mother with Europeans.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Is there any credible academic source that demonstrates al Maqbul al zayla was Somali? What was his Qabil? Can you show me any book detailing the ruling class of Al Luḩayyah being of Somali origin? Yemenis had a considerable amount of influence and power in Zeila. As a matter of fact, Yemenis ruled over Zeila for a long period of time. Zeila was actually rebuilt and revived by Arabs from Yemen in the 10th century.
Most sources show Arabs from Yemen had a considerable amount of influence, power and control in Somalia.

Why did you come back nigga?

Return to your raw meat eating activities
I ain't responding to this, you're literally full of

 

[Khaem]

Is there any credible academic source that demonstrates al Maqbul al zayla was Somali?

Read nigga read.
Literally an academic source in the first post on this thread. Why do you have to be so dense???

 

[HabarSteven12]

Read nigga read.
Literally an academic source in the first post on this thread. Why do you have to be so dense???
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Please screenshot and share where it says Maqbul was Somali or Somalis were ruling over Luḩayyah. The word Maqbul is of Arabic origin. You only shared a screenshot of a guy named Maqbul who's ethnic and racial identity is unknown. He could have very well been Arab. Your own sources don’t enhance or amplify your point . No mention of Somalis or any Somali clan historically ruling Al Luḩayyah. You don't have the intellectual maturity to examine and analyze historical sources with a critical eye. Please share more academic sources that speak about Maqbul and the Somali presence in al Luḩayyah.

 

[zeila2wajir]

Somalis sending goats and other shit to Arabian peninsular too feed them during famine and Arabs seeking refuge in Ajuuran empire. Somalis were sending food aid to Arabia even in the 20th century

And what do we get in return? Them meddling in our country’s affairs and Yemeni’s government blowing us up during the Ogaden war.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Please screenshot and share where it says Maqbul was Somali or Somalis were ruling over Luḩayyah. The word Maqbul is of Arabic origin. You only shared a screenshot of a guy named Maqbul who's ethnic and racial identity is unknown. He could have very well been Arab. Your own sources don’t enhance or amplify your point . No mention of Somalis or any Somali clan historically ruling Al Luḩayyah. You don't have the intellectual maturity to examine and analyze historical sources with a critical eye. Please share more academic sources that speak about Maqbul and the Somali presence in al Luḩayyah.

A man by the name of Al Zayla'i can't be an arab
It was used for those who came from zaylac who themselves were black men
Prove Zayla'is were arab.

 

[Khaem]

A man by the name of Al Zayla'i can't be an arab
It was used for those who came from zaylac who themselves were black men
Prove Zayla'is were arab.

Zayla'i was Northern somalis or those of Zaylac who were black skinned Cushitic Somalis. Nothing arab about an ancient Somali city.

These Shisheeye always bringing up arabs when we talk about coastal Somali cities but where are their genetic Footprint? If they lived there for thousands of years coastal somali would've had significant Arab admixture but in fact Somalis have no modern Arab DNA.

They are like those hoteps claiming Egypt. Arabs somehow replaced the entire population and the natives just vanished

 

[Kurobecky]

We aren't that close to north africans aside from Islam and afro asiact elements.

The reason you find similarities with Egyptian words and Somali words is because they both came from same language family. Afro asiatics.

Egyptians sun got called Ra and the old Somali word for Sun being Rax i just a remnant of this language family.

Same reason Indian languages have similar world for Mother with Europeans.

That makes sense. I believe that Somalis are the most racially/religiously/linguistically homogenous in Africa. An European equivalent would probably be the non-Indo Aryans, like the Sami or the Basque. Amazighs are an anthropological schrodinger's cat .

 

[Kurobecky]

Zayla'i was Northern somalis or those of Zaylac who were black skinned Cushitic Somalis. Nothing arab about an ancient Somali city.

These Shisheeye always bringing up arabs when we talk about coastal Somali cities but where are their genetic Footprint? If they lived there for thousands of years coastal somali would've had significant Arab admixture but in fact Somalis have no modern Arab DNA.

They are like those hoteps claiming Egypt. Arabs somehow replaced the entire population and the natives just vanished

I honestly don’t understand why hoteps believe that Somalis are mixed with Arabic and the reasons why are nonsensical. Small, pointy button anime noses are EXTREMELY uncommon for Arabs to have, unless they had rhinoplasty or mixed race. Middle Eastern noses can have tips that droop or are pointed downwards. A drooping nasal tip creates an appearance of an elongated nose. By rotating the tip of the nose upwards a drooping nose can appear more refined.
Middle easterners before and after rhinoplasty:

Now compare that to my nose:

 

[killerxsmoke]

Please screenshot and share where it says Maqbul was Somali or Somalis were ruling over Luḩayyah. The word Maqbul is of Arabic origin. You only shared a screenshot of a guy named Maqbul who's ethnic and racial identity is unknown. He could have very well been Arab. Your own sources don’t enhance or amplify your point . No mention of Somalis or any Somali clan historically ruling Al Luḩayyah. You don't have the intellectual maturity to examine and analyze historical sources with a critical eye. Please share more academic sources that speak about Maqbul and the Somali presence in al Luḩayyah.

Here's the source:-
https://www.jstor.org/stable/41881017?read-now=1&seq=17

 

[Kurobecky]

How as a black wombman can you say that?
Stop it, the blacks race(s) are not homogenous! clan rivalries prove that!
DNA has also shown biogenetic diversity even within different black families.

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I will say this, yes to the outsiders, us blacks may all look the same, but we NIGGAS are not all the same! At all !

Shrugs, I don’t care white people think. Also, these are historical accounts and facts about my Issaq family’s experiences of immigration during the early 1900s:
1. The March 1914 edition of Washington Post wrote a a lengthy article titled "Freaks in Paris Togas" : Ellis Island had quite a flutter when the Somali outfit arrived. Brass buttoned folk looked up books to see if they were Arabians, Egyptians, Mohammedans, fire worshipers, Hottentots, philosophers, or just plain "cullud folks." The immigration officials couldn't for the life of them tell whether the Somalis were "undesirable aliens" or the very latest fashion models from Paris.

The full story is insane . Some of the story can be found here: https://scalar.usc.edu/works/let-me-get-there/issa-somali-1914
And also from my own personal experiences:
1. Being stared at/getting odd looks from ajnabis, especially when I talk. This includes in very alternative diverse areas.
2. Both white and black folks are super flaky,are extremely ignorant about history, and change their definition of race purely based on clout and politics. The criollos, or the "descendants of Spanish colonists weren’t considered equal to European born Spaniards. In 1563, the criollo sons of Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés, attempted to remove Mexico from Spanish-born rule and place Martín, their half-brother, in power. However, their plot failed. They, along with many others involved, were beheaded by the Spanish monarchy. It’s crazy because these were not only white catholic Spaniards, these were the sons of the F***KING FOUNDER of their colony!!!!!

 

[Kurobecky]

@King Khufu In the 1900s, Finns were considered mongols and yellow. It’s particularly because the Finnish language isn’t Indo-Aryan……… You can’t really rely on caadans, ESPECIALLY Americans opinion.

 

[King Khufu]

@Kurobecky

I don't get you.
Make sense oh
Anyone not me
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