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[Zak12]

Inshallah Trump gets reelected. He will very likely pull the plug on peacekeeping funding for Somalia. Its time for FGS to stop being babied.

 

[Pastoralist]

The FGS is not being asked to make any decisions at all.

The UNSC is acting under Chapter VII when requesting a proposal from the FGS and a proposal means the UNSC will make the decision.

UNSC is in charge of Somalia's security and the FGS is not in a position to defy them. They wouldn't even want to because there's nothing in it for them.

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The UNSC when they see the proposed new AU mission:

Bro we were under chapter 7 when we requested for them to change into atmis and begin their departure from Somalia. We were also under the same colonization when we asked EUNAVFOR to keep their ships in our waters this year. Which suggests that somalia can dismiss INT forces within our borders which farmaajo has done and Hassan has attempted to do.

AU reassures Somalia of support ahead of ATMIS exit - African Transition Mission in Somalia (ATMIS)

Mogadishu, 5 May 2024 – A high-level delegation from the African Union Commission led by the Head of Peace Support Operations Division (PSOD), General Cheick Dembele, has reassured the Somali…

atmis-au.org

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Inshallah Trump gets reelected. He will very likely pull the plug on peacekeeping funding for Somalia. Its time for FGS to stop being babied.

That's the only way.

 

[Sup]

Is anyone surprised, because I’m not. The fact of the matter is, if the country and people were united, these AS filth would’ve been destroyed a long time ago. Instead the country is fractured, consisting of multiple armies and governments acting like they’re all independent nations at war.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Bro we were under chapter 7 when we requested for them to change into atmis and begin their departure from Somalia. We were also under the same colonization when we asked EUNAVFOR to keep their ships in our waters this year. Which suggests that somalia can dismiss INT forces within our borders which farmaajo has done and Hassan has attempted to do.

AU reassures Somalia of support ahead of ATMIS exit - African Transition Mission in Somalia (ATMIS)

Mogadishu, 5 May 2024 – A high-level delegation from the African Union Commission led by the Head of Peace Support Operations Division (PSOD), General Cheick Dembele, has reassured the Somali…

atmis-au.org

Nope.

The UNSC requested the change to ATMIS under Chapter 7.

In 2021, the Secretary General of the UN jointly with the African Union was asked to present the proposal to the UNSC, the FGS was only consulted on it.

So Somalia has made progress in the last 3 years, it now gets to make the proposal to the UNSC.

 

[Pastoralist]

Nope.

The UNSC requested the change to ATMIS under Chapter 7.

In 2021, the Secretary General of the UN jointly with the African Union was asked to present the proposal to the UNSC, the FGS was only consulted on it.

So Somalia has made progress in the last 3 years, it now gets to make the proposal to the UNSC.
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I regret to inform you, but you’re a bit lost.

STP was made by somalia

Source: https://amisom-au.org/2022/02/afric...cal-discussions-on-new-au-mission-in-somalia/


When farmaajo made the request to implement the Somali transition plan. If it didn’t bear any weight, there’d be no mention of farmaajo.

2022-03-11
The UN Secretary-General Guterres In his letter, which was delivered on Monday to the Security Council, said he preferred a plan to gradually reduce ATMIS in four phases, “to enable and support somalia security forces to take primary responsibility for security in Somalia by the end of 2023” with a total military departure in 2024.

So instead of saying no to the presidents immediate drawdown, they had to compromise. Believe it or not, the president also got the deputy of AU expelled during his term, and while he had a mandate, he was giving them the go ahead on whether they could go somewhere or not, not the other way around.

As I keep repeating, don’t assume the current government is the best. You’ll see in2026

 

[Silverfang]

 

[asimpleman]

ATMIS don't do any actual fighting so I don't see why they're needed in 2024. ATMIS just sit in their unfortified bases. All the actual fighting is done by the SNA/Macaawisley. AS overruns their bases whenever they feel like it like in Buulo-Mareer just last year. ATMIS won't be able to prevent AS from taking more territory. AMISOM/ATMIS has failed.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

I regret to inform you, but you’re a bit lost.

STP was made by somalia
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Source: https://amisom-au.org/2022/02/afric...cal-discussions-on-new-au-mission-in-somalia/


When farmaajo made the request to implement the Somali transition plan. If it didn’t bear any weight, there’d be no mention of farmaajo.
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2022-03-11
The UN Secretary-General Guterres In his letter, which was delivered on Monday to the Security Council, said he preferred a plan to gradually reduce ATMIS in four phases, “to enable and support somalia security forces to take primary responsibility for security in Somalia by the end of 2023” with a total military departure in 2024.

So instead of saying no to the presidents immediate drawdown, they had to compromise. Believe it or not, the president also got the deputy of AU expelled during his term, and while he had a mandate, he was giving them the go ahead on whether they could go somewhere or not, not the other way around.

As I keep repeating, don’t assume the current government is the best. You’ll see in2026

The Somali Transition Plan was developed with the UN and other partners, so they will try to follow it. It's a joint agreement that has been endorsed by the AU. Are you saying the UNSC is bound to Somalia's Transistion Plan? Like they legally have to follow it? Let me take a wild guess and say no.

You argument is that the FGS can just ask the peace keepers to leave (or refuse a new mission). But they will only leave when the responsbilities currently being carried out by the peace keepers are transferred to Somali forces (the reason the STP exists).

With the current state of the Somali Security Forces any President would have been forced into a mission.

 

[Pastoralist]

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The Somali Transition Plan was developed with the UN and other partners, so they will try to follow it. It's a joint agreement that has been endorsed by the AU. Are you saying the UNSC is bound to Somalia's Transistion Plan? Like they legally have to follow it? Let me take a wild guess and say no.

You argument is that the FGS can just ask the peace keepers to leave (or refuse a new mission). But they will only leave when the responsbilities currently being carried out by the peace keepers are transferred to Somali forces (the reason the STP exists).

With the current state of the Somali Security Forces any President would have been forced into a mission.

It’s not my argument, it’s what AU literally said, will send it again. Read negro and stop damage controlling for your aabo hassan sheikh. Below AU says who created the STP. They said FGS created it right here, your arguing with AU statement now, not me.

And yes, the fact that amisom turned into atmis, shows that they followed the FGS’s demands.

You also argued against UNPOS in my first post by claiming Somalia didn’t request for them to stay, when they themselves said so. The proof is in the pudding, Somalia’s request’s are always taken into consideration, like what’s happening currently with James swan.

Come with something better, or I won’t respond.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

It’s not my argument, it’s what AU literally said, will send it again. Read negro and stop damage controlling for your aabo hassan sheikh. Below AU says who created the STP. They said FGS created it right here, your arguing with AU statement now, not me.
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And yes, the fact that amisom turned into atmis, shows that they followed the FGS’s demands.

You also argued against UNPOS in my first post by claiming Somalia didn’t request for them to stay, when they themselves said so. The proof is in the pudding, Somalia’s request’s are always taken into consideration, like what’s happening currently with James swan.

Come with something better, or I won’t respond.

The decision to withdraw AMISOM had been made before the Somali Transition Plan was created. The decision was made by the AU first, then the AU-UN conducted a joint review and that was approved by the UNSC. Then the FGS created a strategy for how it could be done for the SSF to assume those responsibilities and they all agreed this is known as the Somalia Transition Plan (STP).

Timeline of events :

Feb 2016 - African Union takes the position to begin withdrawal of AMISOM by October 2018 (Reference 1).

July 2016 - United Nations Security Council requests the UN and AU conduct joint review of AMISOM in resolution in resolution 2297 (Reference 2).

August 2017 - United Nations Security Council adopts resolution 2372 to begin reducing AMISOM troop level due to the recommendations of the AU-UN review. Troop levels were to reduce from 22k to 20.6K by Oct 2018, like the AU position in 2016 (Reference 3).

December 2017 - Federal Government of Somalia and partners develop the Somalia Transition Plan (STP) for Somali Security Forces to gradually assume responsibilities from AMISOM (Reference 4).




Reference 1

Reference 2

Reference 3

Reference 4

https://africacenter.org/spotlight/qa-somalia-charts-security-transition/

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In response to your general point the FGS cannot throw around weight it does not have, whether Farmaajo or someone else. UNSOM is a different program and it is not authorized under Chapter VII so FGS has a chance to get rid of it but probably doesn't have enough clout to succeed.