G25 results & models (relevant discussions as well)

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Berbers are heavily Anatolian farmer. These farmers spread far and wide throughout Europe and North Africa it seems as far as Northern Europe.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Berbers are heavily Anatolian farmer. These farmers spread far and wide throughout Europe and North Africa it seems as far as Northern Europe.

And the Middle East.Basically they affected most West Eurasians

 

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And the Middle East.Basically they affected most West Eurasians

Hey how do you think they ended up in Africa? Via Morocco at the strait of Gibraltar? If so then how come it’s evenly distributed in the right proportion across all Berbers from Western Egypt to Mauritania? Could this mean Berbers once lived in Morocco with these EEF farmers and then expanded eastward to Libya once they acquired EEF ancestry?

 

[Garaad Awal]

Hey how do you think they ended up in Africa? Via Morocco at the strait of Gibraltar? If so then how come it’s evenly distributed in the right proportion across all Berbers from Western Egypt to Mauritania? Could this mean Berbers once lived in Morocco with these EEF farmers and then expanded eastward to Libya once they acquired EEF ancestry?

They entered both sides, one via the Levant and the other side via Europe.EEF in Ancient Egyptians & Copts is mostly Neolithic Levantine mediated.Below is an Iron Age Egyptian and a Late Neolithic Moroccan

Target: Levant_IAIII_Beirut_o_(Egyptian_Profile) Distance: 4.1246% / 0.04124621
56.2	Israel_Natufian
21.0	Anatolia_N_Ceramic_Barcin
20.8	Iran_N
2.0	Sudanese

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Target: Morocco_LN_Kelif_el_Boroud Distance: 2.4339% / 0.02433948
54.2	Anatolia_N_Ceramic_Barcin
21.6	Taforalt_(Iberomaurusian)
18.8	Israel_Natufian
3.0	Euro_HG
2.4	Sudanese

 

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They entered both sides, one via the Levant and the other side via Europe.EEF in Ancient Egyptians & Copts is mostly Neolithic Levantine mediated.Below is an Iron Age Egyptian and a Late Neolithic Moroccan

Target: Levant_IAIII_Beirut_o_(Egyptian_Profile) Distance: 4.1246% / 0.04124621
56.2	Israel_Natufian
21.0	Anatolia_N_Ceramic_Barcin
20.8	Iran_N
2.0	Sudanese

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Target: Morocco_LN_Kelif_el_Boroud Distance: 2.4339% / 0.02433948
54.2	Anatolia_N_Ceramic_Barcin
21.6	Taforalt_(Iberomaurusian)
18.8	Israel_Natufian
3.0	Euro_HG
2.4	Sudanese

The Moroccans have it higher without Iran Neolithic and other components that came via the Egyptian side. If Anatolian and Iran were present as early as the Neolithic in Egypt shouldn’t it be in our genome aswell?

 

[Greattragedy]

Ok and then he just uses one of those available software to convert his file into one of the acceptable formats?

Yeah, all the info required is in the BAM file and more. You can make a superkit with the SNP coverage of Ancestry,23,FTDNA,LivingDNA etc combined to cover all bases.

Give me link to these and guide me through please.

GitHub - WGSExtract/WGSExtract.github.io: WGS Extract WWW home

WGS Extract WWW home. Contribute to WGSExtract/WGSExtract.github.io development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

For help--https://www.facebook.com/groups/ConsumerWGS/
User guide--https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Yg4oRDCIQr5RoTZqECPYFDZxoxN-hggXKxy9BVDQpnY/edit#heading=h.dp1a4ut6nn4r

Be aware you need to download all those GB for this. Note that there are some special notes to take into account if you have used Nebula. Example

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I have not done this myself saxib you are on your own after this lol

 

[Garaad Awal]

The Moroccans have it higher without Iran Neolithic and other components that came via the Egyptian side. If Anatolian and Iran were present as early as the Neolithic in Egypt shouldn’t it be in our genome aswell?

I personally believe we have Neolithic Levantine ancestry alongside NE African HG ancestry but I don’t think we have direct EEF like the North Africans.Which is why we have the light skin snps, T-M70 and other Neolithic Levantine maternal lineages but lack the EEF haplogroups like y-dna G mtdna H.

Zagrosian ancestry I think entered Egypt in the Early Bronze Age with the Levantine migrants attracted to the Nile Valley especially the Delta

 

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I personally believe we have Neolithic Levantine ancestry alongside NE African HG ancestry but I don’t think we have direct EEF like the North Africans.Which is why we have the light skin snps, T-M70 and other Neolithic Levantine maternal lineages but lack the EEF haplogroups like y-dna G mtdna H.

Zagrosian ancestry I think entered Egypt in the Early Bronze Age with the Levantine migrants attracted to the Nile Valley especially the Delta

We don’t have Anatolian and Iran Neolithic which means these 2 components reached Egypt after the Neolithic. You are about early Bronze Age being a possible time frame for this. This corresponds to the time of the pre dynastic Egyptians, right at the time when our ancestors started to separate from the other e-v32 Nubians and migrated to the eastern desert. Do you know if pre dynastic samples had any Anatolian and Iran like ancestry?

 

[Juke]

Yeah, all the info required is in the BAM file and more. You can make a superkit with the SNP coverage of Ancestry,23,FTDNA,LivingDNA etc combined to cover all bases.

GitHub - WGSExtract/WGSExtract.github.io: WGS Extract WWW home

WGS Extract WWW home. Contribute to WGSExtract/WGSExtract.github.io development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

For help--https://www.facebook.com/groups/ConsumerWGS/
User guide--https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Yg4oRDCIQr5RoTZqECPYFDZxoxN-hggXKxy9BVDQpnY/edit#heading=h.dp1a4ut6nn4r

Be aware you need to download all those GB for this. Note that there are some special notes to take into account if you have used Nebula. Example

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I have not done this myself saxib you are on your own after this lol

There's also this option if the manual method w/ WGS extract is too complicated

DNA Genics

Unlock the secrets of your DNA with DNA reports. Explore your ancestry and learn about your unique traits with our comprehensive genome analysis. Get started on your journey of self-discovery today

www.dnagenics.com

 

[Greattragedy]

There's also this option if the manual method w/ WGS extract is too complicated

DNA Genics

Unlock the secrets of your DNA with DNA reports. Explore your ancestry and learn about your unique traits with our comprehensive genome analysis. Get started on your journey of self-discovery today

www.dnagenics.com

True although they dont have Ancestry option unfortunately. AncestryDNA have noticeably greater SNP coverage which is likely why there are a number of people who get more accurate G25 results with them, even if its not the case for all ethnicities it seems.

 

[Papaya]

Where this from?

 

[NidarNidar]

The Levantine has their Natufian decrease because of competition with Iran Neolithic, Caucuses HG and Anatolian Neolithic ancestry. Arabia was safe from all that. North Africa had to deal with high EEF and the Horn had to deal with Proto Nilotic ancestry.

Yo @Garaad Awal isn’t the Berber component mix of IBM and EEF?

That makes sense, how we Iran Neolithic but at ranges of 1-10%, I assume Natufians got attracted to the lush green Sahara and as they moved out of the levant INF, CHG and ANA moved down, and eventually getting to present day Gulf, North Africa, Horn and Southern Europe.

 

[Juke]

True although they dont have Ancestry option unfortunately. AncestryDNA have noticeably greater SNP coverage which is likely why there are a number of people who get more accurate G25 results with them, even if its not the case for all ethnicities it seems.

Maybe they updated it, it lists Ancestry V1 and V2 as apart of the raw files you'd get

 

[Garaad Awal]

That makes sense, how we Iran Neolithic but at ranges of 1-10%, I assume Natufians got attracted to the lush green Sahara and as they moved out of the levant INF, CHG and ANA moved down, and eventually getting to present day Gulf, North Africa, Horn and Southern Europe.

Zagrosian ancestry in most Somalis & Horners is from the Arabians

 

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Zagrosian ancestry in most Somalis & Horners is from the Arabians

Yeah Iran Neolithic ancestry entered north Africa late. The little we have is from Yemen.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Target: Garaad_Child Distance: 2.7987% / 0.02798696
32.4	Israel_Natufian
32.0	Sudanese
13.6	Anatolia_N_Ceramic_Barcin
12.0	Taforalt_(Iberomaurusian)
4.6	Iran_N
4.2	Caucasus_Hunter-Gatherer_(CHG)
1.2	Ethiopia_4500BP

 

[Juke]

Target: Garaad_Child Distance: 2.7987% / 0.02798696
32.4	Israel_Natufian
32.0	Sudanese
13.6	Anatolia_N_Ceramic_Barcin
12.0	Taforalt_(Iberomaurusian)
4.6	Iran_N
4.2	Caucasus_Hunter-Gatherer_(CHG)
1.2	Ethiopia_4500BP

What's the closest people? I assume sahelian Berbers or Sudanese Arabs?

 

[Garaad Awal]

What's the closest people? I assume sahelian Berbers or Sudanese Arabs?

Bejas,Sudanese Arabs,Nubians & Chadian Arabs

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[Juke]

Bejas,Sudanese Arabs,Nubians & Chadian Arabs

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Fits aren't that bad

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Fits aren't that bad

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How do you make fake sims?

That's a crazy list, despite the high distances.

It makes sense; those Indian and Asian folks got a lot of West Asian Eastern Iranian hunter-gatherer-type DNA while having some deep affinity from their southern Asian hunter-gatherer side that has retained basal characteristics yet is also very related to the general northeast Asians. But the Central Asians got that ample levels of East Asian DNA.