Gaza death toll could be as high as 200k

[Idilinaa]

Arabs are weak how many countries with wealth, manpower and technology do they have. And they cannot defeat a tiny Jewish state slap in the middle of MENA.

It's not just Arabs that can't intervene to stop whats going on in Gaza. Its a lot of other western nations along with even Turkey because Isreal has the diplomatic cover by the United States and military cover by the United States because it being an ally and a strategic asset to them.

If it wasn't there would be military interventions much less sanctions for what they are doing. There are zero sanctions because those are all administrated and forced through the United States.

 

[Khaemwaset]

Then ten seconds later

That’s also wrong, but it’s closer than the first mistake. The French didn’t exist until the treaty of verdun of 843

Treaty of Verdun - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

before that they were Frank’s. Modern French people (Gallo-Romanics) have basically nothing in common with them, they were a Ripareun group of the old Ubii tribe.

The french did exist. The Frankish tribes who were germanic renounced their origins and assimilated, converted to Roman Catholocism

 

[Celery]

The leader of Hamas just compared his struggle to that of the Algerians against the French. He admitted to using human shields and said the high death toll serves his goal.

How come no one asks themselves why the ultra rich Arab states don’t care much about the Palestinians?

 

[Celery]

It's not just Arabs that can't intervene to stop whats going on in Gaza. Its a lot of other western nations along with even Turkey because Isreal has the diplomatic cover by the United States and military cover by the United States because it being an ally and a strategic asset to them.

If it wasn't there would be military interventions much less sanctions for what they are doing. There are zero sanctions because those are all administrated and forced through the United States.

Another simpler explanation is they just don’t care.

 

[Idilinaa]

What would be the ideal solution in my book to the Palestine war that could result in cease fire and a possible two state solution is that they should invite in Saudis or Qatar or other Arab nations to help establish a govt and help set up a safe buffer between them and Isrealis.

Since isreal doesn't trust Palestinians to run their own affaris and weaponizes Hamas threat to constantly to undermine legitimate Palestinian self-determination.

This is the only way out of it that i can see and it might happen as global pressure is mounting on them through the UN, ICU and other international actors .

 

[Aurelian]

I don’t think it’s a reliable source but pretty sad nonetheless 200k is a crazy exaggeration by hamas I wouldn’t trust those terrorists

It is one of the most prestigious medical journal out there

 

[Riftvalley]

Horta how many times do you need to loose a war until you figure out you need to make peace with your enemy? Literally these Arabs in that area have been fighting the yahud since 1948, and have been loosing every time only for their land to have gotten smaller, and smaller but the worst thing that this war has shown and has happened at every war with Israel is that other Arabs help them win like 1973 when Israel was warned of an attack by the Jordanian king. If it didn’t happen they would probably had to go nuclear and sue for peace this goes to show you no such as Arabness exists they all view each other as not the same people.

No Arab states have been at war with Israel since the last big war so it’s wrong to make this out as Israel being been resisted by a coalition of Arabs. The Palestinian resistance who started out throwing rocks managed to get Israel to withdraw from Gaza in 2006. The Israelis would have still occupied most of Southern Lebanon if it’s wasn’t for Hezbollah. In fact one could stay the Palestinians are what has prevented Israel from taking more land and creating their grater Israel dream which extends across the Midlde East. The Arab governments are too tied to western financial, military and political systems to go and against Israel. They are also more pro Israel than Iran.

As for the “why don’t they make peace” argument- the Palis have tried that and the Oslo accords turned out to be a farce, while the land grabs have never stopped. You have to understand Israelis are even more radical than in the past and the orthodox-settler movement is now more deeply entrenched in the government.

This war has also exposed Israeli that is heavily reliant on Western, specifically USA military support. Their military and security strength has been founding want. They have the entire western world supporting them by air, sea and reconnaissance against what are essentially two non state-actors. So the issue should not really be framed as one of Arab weakness vs Israel. What is actually more profound and has been highlighted more clearly than ever is the USA global hegemony and their control of the Middle East.

 

[Idilinaa]

Hamas has won the war in the grand scheme of things.

- They brought back the world spotlight the Palestine issue front & center when it was starting to fade, the most spoken about geo-political story.

-Their sucessful attack in Oct.7 and the prolonged operations in Gaza has exposed Israel’s army and much hyped military prowess as propaganda paper tigers.

- The mask of ''Right to defend itself'' is falling off with the ratio of 1200 vs 200 000.

- It halted foreign direct investments in Israel(especially in its burgeoning hi-tech sector), It decimated the Israeli economy, plunging it into a massive contraction as defense-related spending climbs past the 5% of GDP mark(billions lost on a war),

- Turned public opinion against Isreal world wide. Isreal's blatant war crimes in Gaza campaign have rendered it an overnight a pariah state whose image in the west and even in the USA is far worse than China, North Korea or Russia . Soon enough Arab and other countries will no longer normalize relationships with a nation laballed ''genocidal'' and whose leaders face prosecution by ICC

- The conduct of the war drove a wedge between Israel and its only ally, the mission critical USA.

- The internal cohesion of Isreal is crumbling infighting happening and resignations in the war cabinet and those same official launching attacks on Netanyahu,

- Isreali leaders ending up in multiple international courts, accused of a variety of crimes against humanity and war crimes.

- It stopped dead in its tracks emigration to Israel (Aliyah) and encouraged immigration by those who can from Israel, amounting to a debilitating brain drain.


Close to 200,000 Israelis are internally displaced in both the north and the south of the country, under attack from Hizbullah and from Hamas and PIJ, respectively.

And also Netanyahus days are numbered , he will be thrown in Jail and outsted by the Isreali public or political opponents soon enough.



Since the two state solution is looming over the horizon. Everyone knows that the two-state solution is an interim step towards a one state solution with a Palestinian majority.

 

[zeila2wajir]

Horta how many times do you need to loose a war until you figure out you need to make peace with your enemy? Literally these Arabs in that area have been fighting the yahud since 1948, and have been loosing every time only for their land to have gotten smaller, and smaller but the worst thing that this war has shown and has happened at every war with Israel is that other Arabs help them win like 1973 when Israel was warned of an attack by the Jordanian king. If it didn’t happen they would probably had to go nuclear and sue for peace this goes to show you no such as Arabness exists they all view each other as not the same people.

Why should they? Should we Somalis make peace with Ethiopians and Kenyans who are currently occupying and genociding us in Galbeed and North Eastern?

 

[NidarNidar]

Saying yibif are Jews is fake qashin, suugo science somalis also used to claim that yibirs disapear in smoke when they die. We will deal with facts here not fiction.



Rendille didn’t split off before the “introduction of Islam” ( that is like talking about the introduction of Christianity to the French btw, Somalis didn’t exist before Islam just like how French people didn’t exist before the treaty of verdun), they split off some time in the 1400-1500’s which was 2 or 3 hundred years afterwards.

also the term has similar orgins, they aren’t however the same people.

Funny enough Rendille claim Jewish ancestry, will probably find pre:Islamic temples all across the north, Yemen was a safe heaven for most religions, with trade in the red sea being so profitable ideas exchanged quite easily.

 

[Burqad]

The french did exist. The Frankish tribes who were germanic renounced their origins and assimilated, converted to Roman Catholocism

They weren’t French before they converted to Roman Catholicism and before the treaty of verdun split the Frankish realm between east Franks and west Franks. That is the point.

 

[Burqad]

Funny enough Rendille claim Jewish ancestry, will probably find pre:Islamic temples all across the north, Yemen was a safe heaven for most religions, with trade in the red sea being so profitable ideas exchanged quite easily.

Rendile don’t claim Jewish ancestors they claim their ancestors, Dubsahay and Adisamole crawled out of a hole in the ground between Kargi and Marsabit. I went there they showed me around.

Why is this forum filled with people who just say naac-naac?

 

[Khaemwaset]

They weren’t French before they converted to Roman Catholicism and before the treaty of verdun split the Frankish realm between east Franks and west Franks. That is the point.

Even before the frankish empire there was stoll Roman Guals speaking an early form of French and so on.

So you're saying that Zelia wasn't built by Somalis since the city was founded 600 year before the supposed ethno genesis of Somali people. Who was jt built by? What do you have to support this claim? You're talking out your arse bro

 

[Burqad]

Even before the frankish empire there was stoll Roman Guals speaking an early form of French and so on.

So you're saying that Zelia wasn't built by Somalis since the city was founded 600 year before the supposed ethno genesis of Somali people. Who was jt built by? What do you have to support this claim? You're talking out your arse bro

you keep repeating the same stupid thing regardless of my post, Roman Gauls didn’t speak an early version of French they spoke Vulgar Latin, they wouldn’t identify as French therefore they were not French. Read imagined communities.

 

[Khaemwaset]

you keep repeating the same stupid thing regardless of my post, Roman Gauls didn’t speak an early version of French they spoke Vulgar Latin, they wouldn’t identify as French therefore they were not French. Read imagined communities.

Are you retarded? Genuinely?

And I keep repeating what I say because with all of these messages you still haven't answered my question. Zelia was built in the first century AD, you said Somalis didn't exist until Islam, 7th century AD. So Somalis didn't build zelia?