Genghis Khan and Sayidka

[Xooshdheere]

Genghis Khan reminds me of Sayidka and his struggle to unite all nomadic tribes, to fight one common enemy. Genghis Khan succeeded to unite all Mongol tribes, but unfortunately Sayidka failed to unite the stubborn Somali tribes.

Genghis Khan forged a united Mongolian nation from the numerous nomadic tribes dwelling on the Mongolian steppe.

The united Mongols gave Genghis Khan the numbers, strength, and organizational structure needed to launch his military crusades and expand his rule from the Mongolian steppe to most of Asia.

Unifying the Mongols was no small achievement — it meant bringing together a whole series of disparate tribes. Economically the tribal unit was optimal for a pastoral-nomadic group, but Chinggis brought all the tribes together into one confederation, with all its loyalty placed in himself.

Early in his rise to power, Chinggis attempted immediately to break down the tribal groups that joined him, because he felt that loyalty in the tribal group would belong to the tribal leader rather than to himself. He wanted to eliminate any feeling of tribal identity and convert it to a Mongol identity — a unit that would be much larger, greater than that of the tribe, wherein the loyalty would remain with him, rather than with a tribal leader. Thus, when a tribe did join him, he quickly dispersed its members through the various units that he controlled

Where did Sayidka do wrong?

 

[World]

He was 500 years too late.

/thread.

 

[World]

And Somalis are much more isolated than Mongols who bordered China, Russia, and were located on the ancient Silk Road trade route.

 

[Yaquub]

Somalis are too stubborn not even a common enemy would unite us today. To much friction between brethren and both North and South want to control somalia. Wish we had a gengis khan tho a united somali nation would be a nightmare like when the persian king threatened to invade us.

 

[Yaquub]

If only we had a meiji restoration somalia would be just as developed as japan.

 

[Disappointed]

I'm glad that the Sayid was nothing like that barbaric monster who used to destroy knowledge, polluted rivers, destroyed Muslim cities, and rape thousands of women.

 

[Boqor]

Gengis khan was a belligerent mushrik Sayyid was a muwahhid disgusting for you to even compare them warya

 

[Xooshdheere]

I'm glad that the Sayid was nothing like that barbaric monster who used to destroy knowledge, polluted rivers, destroyed Muslim cities, and rape thousands of women.

That is false, he created religious freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Mongol_Empire


"Muslims became a favored class of officials with notable Mongol converts to Islam"

 

[Woozie Mu]

I think the reason is Genghis Khan had the idea of “ be loyal to me and not your clan or die” mentality and that’s how he united them. The Sayyid was not willing to do that because he was a bit qabilist himself.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Mad Mullah wishes he could be like the Great Khan. FOH

 

[Crow]

I think Ahmed Gurey is more comparable to the Khan. He united different clans and even ethnicities and steamrolled Abyssinia.

 

[UpRightDown]

He went wrong because the Sayidka started off from an old age of in his 40s, his mistake is pretty easily to find out.

1- His people were Qadaris and he was a Salihi, the Dhulbahante and Ogadeen students he taught or the Dervishes he had were Salihis because they were a less extreme different sect of Sufi mysticism. If your people are grave worshippers and go to Sheikh Abdul Qadar al Jaylani's grave like a second pilgrimage your people and you coming up to them saying that is wrong, the whole somali world will fight against you. The sayid favourite saying "Join me or Starve" was away of making tribes make pledge to you. The Sayid was not a peaceful man he killed and Massacred like another leader, Somalis don't his real history but had some sort of Christopher Colombus kid's story, it was rather different.

2- His people loved the Cadaan man, the Cadaan man was the power force of the time, they had the largest military, most advance artillery and loads of crazy stuff. During the Khan's time his people the Turkics were the most fearsome people on the Planet. The Chinese had to build a damn wall from them because how powerful were they. The Somalis weren't the most fearsome but timojin was crazy guy he created the blood brother system. Sayidka was trying to fight with horses, swords and guns, whilst the british used Somali personnel, British personnel and air attacks as the sayid said "they were like big vultures above my head". Genghis had thousands of personnel all professional Horsemen, Archers and Swordsmen.

Genghis was just to damn next level.

 

[Lilafrombole]

I don't know why schools don't teach about him more? He shaped so much of world history more so then others i.e Alexander the great etc.

Did you know they were at Europe's door when he died so they had to head back to elect his successor...just so fascinating.

I recommend the podcast Hardcore history the Wrath of Khan...Sooo worth it. Makes you wonder what today's Europe would look like had they completed their conquest.

 

[MARAQ DIGAAG]

I love that Netflix show

 

[World]

I don't know why schools don't teach about him more? He shaped so much of world history more so then others i.e Alexander the great etc.

Did you know they were at Europe's door when he died so they had to head back to elect his successor...just so fascinating.

I recommend the podcast Hardcore history the Wrath of Khan...Sooo worth it. Makes you wonder what today's Europe would look like had they completed their conquest.

The Mongols did actually conquer a significant amount of Eastern Europe.

 

[UpRightDown]

I love that Netflix show

You mean Marco Polo series did you see how the Mongol guy killed a kid by simply hugging him, that was traumatising.

 

[Lilafrombole]

The Mongols did actually conquer a significant amount of Eastern Europe.

Yeah...by Europe I meant Western Europe.

 

[Xooshdheere]

I don't know why schools don't teach about him more? He shaped so much of world history more so then others i.e Alexander the great etc.

Did you know they were at Europe's door when he died so they had to head back to elect his successor...just so fascinating.

I recommend the podcast Hardcore history the Wrath of Khan...Sooo worth it. Makes you wonder what today's Europe would look like had they completed their conquest.

I did not know that.