has social media had the opposite effect on your political views.

[Idilinaa]

Likewise, for a new nation starting up I believe a strongman or dictator can be beneficial at first. Like lee kuang yew or siad barre if he was successful in the Ogaden war. Later I also believe in the transition to democracy and more liberal however Islamic leaning values. I’m extremely anti laissez-faire capitalism and pro social democracy, Labour democrats etc. we agree on a lot I wouldn’t mind an aggressive neo colonial foreign policy if we were rich similar to the UAE but not directed by mossad and not target at other Muslim nations. An example would be supporting Paul kagames regime in rwanda. Also on domestic policy, I’d be pro refugee/ open immigration policy. But only to allied nations or nations that accepted us during our civil war. Syria for example. I’d also support green energy and moving away from oil dependence despite being an oil producer like Norway. Id be pro military interventionist, cuz we in Africa we should run shi similar to turkeys involvement in other nations and to a lesser extent involvement in the Middle East. So definitely intervention in Sudan and Yemen. Pro social welfare for all Somalis and immigrants as well as passport privileges similar to western nations, full integration and a reduction of hostile right wing media sentiment towards migrants.( I’ll add I’m pro immigration only to an extent, the nation must be a minimum 90% Somali , and 10% foreigners max). E.g if we had a population of 30 mil we could support an immigrant population of 3 million for low skilled labour. Ideally refugees and allied nations we have had great historical relations with like Egypt accepting our Cushitic brothers the beja in Sudan to save them from the genocidal maniac there. Syria cuz a lot of Somalis were there during the civil war. Palestinians, Indonesians Malaysians etc. very generous social welfare programs. Debt can’t exceed 40% of gdp or very strict austerity measures in place. 4% of gdp on the military, free education until 18 and university only if military service is completed for men or national service for women about 6 months to 1 year. Lots of social housing to prevent market capitalisation from foreign investors and to reduce house prices. In terms of what the country would look like Japanese railway, British buses, Dutch streets/ biking, Somali architecture . European food standards, American college and high school sports industry, Finnish education( no homework) 4 day work week, generous annual leave laws and paternal leave. Oh I forgot to add a complete ban on Ethiopian migrants especially Oromo. @Khaem what you think

It's not so much that there needs to be dictatorship, more so that it needs a single party structure or a council with some semblance of continuity because developments take long time implement if it's disrupted by election cycles with competing visions it wont work, and also you need to build out effective institutions and with a more educated population for it.

Somalia shouldn't be millitary interventionist at all. I want Somalia to play an indirect or a mediator role like in the past.
Nor do i support a neo-colonial foreign policy. Plenty of nations are rich and they don't become ''rogue states''

As far as the economic policies go i want it to take an Islamic approach to socialism . Not a Nordic Social democracy approach at all.

Socialism is not religion at all, it just a term to describe an economic function or practice. All it is collective control of the means of production, distribution, and exchange with the aim of reducing economic inequality. Simple as that .

Muslims countries practice socialism as well and Muslims have been doing for centuries. Even the Umayyad , its in Islamic law such as Zakat, Waqf, Prohibition of Riba, Infaq and Sadaqah , Prohibition of Hoarding Wealth all aligns with socialist ideals. The Muslim states obligation to ensure its citizens basic needs are met such as food, shelter, and security, akin to the role of a welfare state in socialist systems

The Quran and Hadith advocate for the fair treatment of workers, just wages, and the avoidance of excessive wealth accumulation at the expense of others .The emphasis on justice and equity reflects socialist concerns about the concentration of wealth and power.

Have stated my policy approach on immigration previously . We can take a lesson from our past as we saw how much it strained Somalia's economy and resources when we had an influx of refugees in the aftermath of Ogaden , Somalia was still a fragile but growing economy at that point and then the drought of 1974-5 that saw us deviate much of resources to those effected.

So the priority should be to limit immigration and halt assylum/refugees in the first few years until Somalia becomes wealthier, more developed and stable enough to absorb and integrate them and we should have a process/training, conditions, requirements for them once they arrive and refugees/assylum seekers should have zero say in where they are placed and are spread out to avoid large concentrations in single areas that might turn them into segregated low income neighborhoods.

Believe it or not, immigrants are not a problem if you implement the right policies, that's why certain countries fare better than others when it comes to this.

I believe Somalis should halt limit immigration and secure the borders in the first 10 years,. Not out of xenophobia or anything but to prioritize the needs and development of the domestic population.

Then after the first 10 to 15 years, they should implement a merit based immigration process. You can only immigrate if you have a clean record, and have skills and education.

This is outside of the legal obligations towards asylum seekers btw, who don't have to follow that process.

 

[Aseer]

Likewise, for a new nation starting up I believe a strongman or dictator can be beneficial at first. Like lee kuang yew or siad barre if he was successful in the Ogaden war. Later I also believe in the transition to democracy and more liberal however Islamic leaning values. I’m extremely anti laissez-faire capitalism and pro social democracy, Labour democrats etc. we agree on a lot I wouldn’t mind an aggressive neo colonial foreign policy if we were rich similar to the UAE but not directed by mossad and not target at other Muslim nations. An example would be supporting Paul kagames regime in rwanda. Also on domestic policy, I’d be pro refugee/ open immigration policy. But only to allied nations or nations that accepted us during our civil war. Syria for example. I’d also support green energy and moving away from oil dependence despite being an oil producer like Norway. Id be pro military interventionist, cuz we in Africa we should run shi similar to turkeys involvement in other nations and to a lesser extent involvement in the Middle East. So definitely intervention in Sudan and Yemen. Pro social welfare for all Somalis and immigrants as well as passport privileges similar to western nations, full integration and a reduction of hostile right wing media sentiment towards migrants.( I’ll add I’m pro immigration only to an extent, the nation must be a minimum 90% Somali , and 10% foreigners max). E.g if we had a population of 30 mil we could support an immigrant population of 3 million for low skilled labour. Ideally refugees and allied nations we have had great historical relations with like Egypt accepting our Cushitic brothers the beja in Sudan to save them from the genocidal maniac there. Syria cuz a lot of Somalis were there during the civil war. Palestinians, Indonesians Malaysians etc. very generous social welfare programs. Debt can’t exceed 40% of gdp or very strict austerity measures in place. 4% of gdp on the military, free education until 18 and university only if military service is completed for men or national service for women about 6 months to 1 year. Lots of social housing to prevent market capitalisation from foreign investors and to reduce house prices. In terms of what the country would look like Japanese railway, British buses, Dutch streets/ biking, Somali architecture . European food standards, American college and high school sports industry, Finnish education( no homework) 4 day work week, generous annual leave laws and paternal leave. Oh I forgot to add a complete ban on Ethiopian migrants especially Oromo. @Khaem what you think

Be our president already

 

[Ashraf]

InshAllah one day Bro, make dua for me

 

[Ashraf]

It's not so much that there needs to be dictatorship, more so that it needs a single party structure or a council with some semblance of continuity because developments take long time implement if it's disrupted by election cycles with competing visions it wont work, and also you need to build out effective institutions and with a more educated population for it.

Somalia shouldn't be millitary interventionist at all. I want Somalia to play an indirect or a mediator role like in the past.
Nor do i support a neo-colonial foreign policy. Plenty of nations are rich and they don't become ''rogue states''

As far as the economic policies go i want it to take an Islamic approach to socialism . Not a Nordic Social democracy approach at all.


Have stated my policy approach on immigration previously . We can take a lesson from our past as we saw how much it strained Somalia's economy and resources when we had an influx of refugees in the aftermath of Ogaden , Somalia was still a fragile but growing economy at that point and then the drought of 1974-5 that saw us deviate much of resources to those effected.

So the priority should be to limit immigration and halt assylum/refugees in the first few years until Somalia becomes wealthier, more developed and stable enough to absorb and integrate them and we should have a process/training, conditions, requirements for them once they arrive and refugees/assylum seekers should have zero say in where they are placed and are spread out to avoid large concentrations in single areas that might turn them into segregated low income neighborhoods.

Believe it or not, immigrants are not a problem if you implement the right policies, that's why certain countries fare better than others when it comes to this.

There’s a lot to unpack here
1) I completely agree with your first statement and I think it would be great for Somalis especially since the presidency could be alternated between the clans but the president still has the same objectives as their predecessor. It’s great for social cohesion and to portray inclusivity within the government instead of the dominance of one dictator that can alienate rival clans that see his continued rule as a threat to the balance of power leaving them marginalised and resenting the government. However I don’t believe in the transfer of power strictly on inclusivity, the person who represents their clan must be competent enough to lead the Somali nation forward, and ignore tribal requests for favouritism.

2) yes Somalia should absolutely be interventionist, indirectly through our intelligence agency using proxies or directly through our military. In the past we played the mediator role as siad barre was communist. I have no desire to mediate with nations rather being the rich cornerstone in the HOA we should leverage governments to give favourable deals based on foreign policy objectives. Not only that we’d need to expand global influence on Africa by projecting military power throughout the continent. We could set up base in Mozambique and Madagascar to monitor shipping that comes through the cape of good hope, since we’d already have acces to the bab el mandeb we’d have critical intelligence regarding ALL trade coming and leaving the African continent. Furthermore assuming we are a western ally we are probably/ most likely assisting in the destabilisation of resource rich African nations of which we’d have a share of their resources. Britain controls 1 TRILLION dollars worth of resources through 37 different African countries in the modern day? Your saying we should avoid that on what, some moral superiority. Adal and ajuran empire were most definitely interventionist and so were most throughout history dont base your foreign policy on morality rather effectiveness. The only places we shouldn’t exploit are Muslim nations such as Sudan. But Kenya hell yeah, Ethiopia f*ck yeah? They’re doing it to us right now, it’s how the world works

3) they are very similar

4)on immigration policy I made the decision based off similar criteria however the assumption was we become wealthy first before we let in immigrants from allied nations. E.g a gdp over 1 trillion and a population of 30 million. Also we wouldn’t exploit them like Arab regimes, they get citizenship, equal pay and are integrated completely. But we’re selective on the nations and who within those nations we let in. Refugees and only wealthy Sunnis not wahhabis that’s all. I also believe they should be spread out but it’s more likely that a large portion of Somalis would be populated within our two biggest cities. Harar and Mogadishu, which none the less they would be attracted to moving to an international hub. So we wouldn’t separate them by city but by district. Instead of placing them in rural areas they should be placed in our mega cities, there’s much more to offer
Also drop book recommendations you seem knowledgable saxib @Khaem what you think?

 

[Idilinaa]

There’s a lot to unpack here
1) I completely agree with your first statement and I think it would be great for Somalis especially since the presidency could be alternated between the clans but the president still has the same objectives as their predecessor. It’s great for social cohesion and to portray inclusivity within the government instead of the dominance of one dictator that can alienate rival clans that see his continued rule as a threat to the balance of power leaving them marginalised and resenting the government. However I don’t believe in the transfer of power strictly on inclusivity, the person who represents their clan must be competent enough to lead the Somali nation forward, and ignore tribal requests for favouritism.

2) yes Somalia should absolutely be interventionist, indirectly through our intelligence agency using proxies or directly through our military. In the past we played the mediator role as siad barre was communist. I have no desire to mediate with nations rather being the rich cornerstone in the HOA we should leverage governments to give favourable deals based on foreign policy objectives. Not only that we’d need to expand global influence on Africa by projecting military power throughout the continent. We could set up base in Mozambique and Madagascar to monitor shipping that comes through the cape of good hope, since we’d already have acces to the bab el mandeb we’d have critical intelligence regarding ALL trade coming and leaving the African continent. Furthermore assuming we are a western ally we are probably/ most likely assisting in the destabilisation of resource rich African nations of which we’d have a share of their resources. Britain controls 1 TRILLION dollars worth of resources through 37 different African countries in the modern day? Your saying we should avoid that on what, some moral superiority. Adal and ajuran empire were most definitely interventionist and so were most throughout history dont base your foreign policy on morality rather effectiveness. The only places we shouldn’t exploit are Muslim nations such as Sudan. But Kenya hell yeah, Ethiopia f*ck yeah? They’re doing it to us right now, it’s how the world works

3) they are very similar

4)on immigration policy I made the decision based off similar criteria however the assumption was we become wealthy first before we let in immigrants from allied nations. E.g a gdp over 1 trillion and a population of 30 million. Also we wouldn’t exploit them like Arab regimes, they get citizenship, equal pay and are integrated completely. But we’re selective on the nations and who within those nations we let in. Refugees and only wealthy Sunnis not wahhabis that’s all. I also believe they should be spread out but it’s more likely that a large portion of Somalis would be populated within our two biggest cities. Harar and Mogadishu, which none the less they would be attracted to moving to an international hub. So we wouldn’t separate them by city but by district. Instead of placing them in rural areas they should be placed in our mega cities, there’s much more to offer
Also drop book recommendations you seem knowledgable saxib @Khaem what you think?

Amazing. You unpacked a lot of stuff . With this i am certain you seem more knowledgeable than me. Don't really have much more to contribute to this discussion.

Shoutout to @Khaem this brother knows his stuff. Some would see his posts and think its mixed word salad and a deliberate wall of gibberish but i disagree our brother @Ashraf demonstrated next level political science theory and draw upon interconnected historical knowledge.

Be our president already

I agree with you. He delivered A grade worthy political science paper. It beats Hassan Sheikh Mohamuuds new york university paper on clan politics, signalling that he has the quality of being Somalia's president.