Hating Arabs is kufr

[Cush]

So how can we know if Somalis and Oromosare descendants from Cush. Are there any sources for this connection besides the Cadaan racists naming our languages Cushitic in the 19th century

The bible speaks about the Cush and the people that descend from him, furthermore the fact we all descend from the common E-V32 haplogroup shows we have this common ancestor

If it doesn't contradict Aqeedah and Islamic beliefs it could be taken into account

Furthermore Ali RA said, according to Ibn Sirin

"If you want to know the origin of the Arabs, it is from Kuus"

Kuus later changed to Kush due to the Jews being unable to translate it, and countless mediaeval books speak about the early Arabs being Cushites, I can send countless sources

According to the bible all of north Arabia was Cush and the Akkadians called their land Kish which is CUSH

A PLACE IN IRAQ IS LITERALLY CALLED IBRAHIM CUSH AND DATES BACK TO THE TIME OF THE AKKADIANS, THE TIME IBRAHIM AS WAS FROM

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) described hating the Arabs as being a cause of leaving Islam, and he stated that hating them implies hating him.

He said this in comment to this Hadith narrated by al-Tirmidhi (no. 3927):
It was narrated that Salman (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:
“O Salman, do not hate me and give up your religion.”
I said: O Messenger of Allah, how can I hate you when Allah has guided us through you?
He said: “By hating the Arabs you would hate me.”

Have you got the hadith in its original text?

Just curious: what are your views on anthropomorphism?

 

[Hamzza]

Have you got the hadith in its original text?

Just curious: what are your views on anthropomorphism?

Anthropomorphism is Kufr by the consensus of all Muslims

 

[Gacmeey]

I suggest you dont spew and sling buzzwords you dont understand. "muh muh secular"

I’m not even the person who mentioned secularism I just gave a joke reply to when you said what’s wrong with it.

Even then you are on a platform where most of the people adhere to Islam which is vehemently against the separation of religion and the state.Secularist are kuffaar since they believe religion should be kept out of the law book. Of course it is wrong from a Muslims view

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Anthropomorphism is Kufr by the consensus of all Muslims

I want to hear what @Al Adnani thinks of it?

 

[Al Adnani]

I want to hear what @Al Adnani thinks of it?

I don’t know what anthropomorphism is

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

I don’t know what anthropomorphism is

In brevity, it is an attribution of human physical or mental features to deity. It is called ' التجسيم or التشبيهية ' in Islam.

 

[Al Adnani]

In brevity, it is an attribution of human physical or mental features to deities. It is called ' التجسيم or التشبيهية ' in Islam.

Allah knows best. I can’t speak on what I have no knowledge of. I still don’t fully understand what it is so I won’t say anything about it. If I speak out of ignorance I could pay the price in akhira

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Allah knows best. I can’t speak on what I have no knowledge of. I still don’t fully understand what it is so I won’t say anything about it. If I speak out of ignorance I could pay the price in akhira

Lovely. There is a reason for the question. Now, see if you could read this article.

https://islamqa.info/ar/answers/122675/%D8%B9%D9%82%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D8%AC%D8%B3%D9%8A%D9%85-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%AB%D9%8A%D9%84-%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%B2-%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%82%D9%87%D8%A7-%D9%88%D8%AD%D9%83%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87%D8%A7

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

@Al Adnani
This is where I was going with the questions: In Islam, likening the Al Mighty to Humans, which is what anthropomorphism entails, is a heresy akin to, or a form of 'shirk'. Ibn Taymiyah, whose work you referenced, was a proponent of it, and served lengthy prison sentences in doing so. As a Salafi, he took his fondness for the Prophet and his people to extreme lengths, as when he said" 'وجمهور العلماء على أن جنس العرب خير من غيرهم، كما أن جنس قريش خير من غيرهم، وجنس بني هاشم خـير مــن غيرهــم‏.‏ '

These lines are relevant:
وقال نعيم بن حماد – رحمه الله – وهو أحد شيوخ الإمام البخاري - :
مَن شبَّه الله تعالى بخلقه : كَفَر ، ومن جحد ما وصف الله نفسه : فقد كفر .
انظر " شرح أصول اعتقاد أهل السنة " لللالكائي ( 3 / 532 ) .

Do you still think you should be referencing his work?

Are you familiar with Rabi3a al 3adawiyah?

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

In his farewell sermon, the Prophet said.

عَنْ أَبِي نَضْرَةَ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فِي وَسَطِ أَيَّامِ التَّشْرِيقِ فَقَالَ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ أَلَا إِنَّ رَبَّكُمْ وَاحِدٌ وَإِنَّ أَبَاكُمْ وَاحِدٌ أَلَا لَا فَضْلَ لِعَرَبِيٍّ عَلَى أَعْجَمِيٍّ وَلَا لِعَجَمِيٍّ عَلَى عَرَبِيٍّ وَلَا لِأَحْمَرَ عَلَى أَسْوَدَ وَلَا أَسْوَدَ عَلَى أَحْمَرَ إِلَّا
بِالتَّقْوَى أَبَلَّغْتُ قَالُوا بَلَّغَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ

Abu Nadrah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said during the middle of the day at the end of the pilgrimage, “O people, your Lord is one and your father Adam is one. There is no favor of an Arab over a foreigner, nor a foreigner over an Arab, and neither brown skin over black skin, nor black skin over brown skin, except by righteousness. Have I not delivered the message?” They said, “The Messenger of Allah has delivered the message.”
Source: Musnad Aḥmad 23489

This fits rightly in Islam.

 

[Al Adnani]

@Al Adnani
This is where I was going with the questions: In Islam, likening the Al Mighty to Humans, which is what anthropomorphism entails, is a heresy akin to, or a form of 'shirk'. Ibn Taymiyah, whose work you referenced, was a proponent of it, and served lengthy prison sentences in doing so. As a Salafi, he took his fondness for the Prophet and his people to extreme lengths, as when he said" 'وجمهور العلماء على أن جنس العرب خير من غيرهم، كما أن جنس قريش خير من غيرهم، وجنس بني هاشم خـير مــن غيرهــم‏.‏ '

These lines are relevant:
وقال نعيم بن حماد – رحمه الله – وهو أحد شيوخ الإمام البخاري - :
مَن شبَّه الله تعالى بخلقه : كَفَر ، ومن جحد ما وصف الله نفسه : فقد كفر .
انظر " شرح أصول اعتقاد أهل السنة " لللالكائي ( 3 / 532 ) .

Do you still think you should be referencing his work?

Are you familiar with Rabi3a al 3adawiyah?

I still have no opinion. I must do extensive research before I make any claims supporting or denying this. I dont want to accidentally commit kufr

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

I still have no opinion. I must do extensive research before I make any claims supporting or denying this. I dont want to accidentally commit kufr

Fair enough. The strongest argument one could present against Arabophia, a malady widely plaguing the Arab world and elsewhere in the Muslim world, is to promote the concept of Ummah, where one must not be advocating for animus amongst Muslims regardless of region or ethnicity.

 

[Nilotic]

This must be live entertainment for you watching us bicker out over this. Maybe even remind you of a certain neighboring countries population

Yes, but Somalis are just trolling

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

I’ve heard, I could be wrong the vast majority of Madhabs have that view and it isn’t the only Hadith supposedly, so I don’t know if that’s a weak Hadith argument holds up. As for OP stop trolling.

The premise islam is based on negates any value of Arab ethnicity. The five pillars of Islam would have included the recognition of Arabs and their love as requirement for accepting Islam. The idea that an ethnic group among humans have special value based on their ethnicity is not only stupid but doesn't sit well with any human who is not part of that ethnicity. So, Why would Allah include such stupidity in his religion to mankind? You must note while all prior religions were monotheistic, at the same time were aimed at particular nation or tribe unlike Islam. If Islam is universal and must be the only true religion for mankind till the day of judgement, it can not have anything racist in it. And calling people to love Arabs for their ethnicity is bigotry and racism.

It is actually very insulting to ask people to love Arabs.

 

[Internet Nomad]

whats wrong with being secular?

Because they are not upon the tawhid. They follow man made laws which are subjective and can lead many into depravity like hitler or stalin.

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

I posted ibn Taymiyya’s commentary on the Hadith, but I have now been informed that the Hadith itself is weak. I think his opinion still stands tho as for his commentary

There is no opinion acceptable or standing when it contradicts Islam and the Messenger of Islam. If prophet Mohamed said there is no racial superiority in Islam, then no other human being can contradict the prophet on the issue no matter who they are to a muslim.

Ahmad (22978) narrated from Abu Nadrah: Someone who heard the khutbah of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on the second of the days of at-Tashreeq told me that he said: “O people, verily your Lord is One and your father is one. Verily there is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab or of a non-Arab over an Arab, or of a red man over a black man, or of a black man over a red man, except in terms of taqwa. Have I conveyed the message?” They said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) has conveyed the message.

Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in as-Saheehah (6/199).

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

Spitting on someopne's face who asks people to respect them for being Arab would be the ideal response. Today, that block represents the lowest humans in dignity on Earth and they ahve abondoned Allah's religion while other ethnic mulims uplifted and died for Islam for centuries. Their best contribution today is Khaniisnimo.

 

[Al Adnani]

There is no opinion acceptable or standing when it contradicts Islam and the Messenger of Islam. If prophet Mohamed said there is no racial superiority in Islam, then no other human being can contradict the prophet on the issue no matter who they are to a muslim.

Ahmad (22978) narrated from Abu Nadrah: Someone who heard the khutbah of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on the second of the days of at-Tashreeq told me that he said: “O people, verily your Lord is One and your father is one. Verily there is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab or of a non-Arab over an Arab, or of a red man over a black man, or of a black man over a red man, except in terms of taqwa. Have I conveyed the message?” They said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) has conveyed the message.

Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in as-Saheehah (6/199).

There is no racial superiority in Islam. I never implied that in my post and if it came across as me doing so please forgive me. I love my people (the Arabs) but I believe all races are equal as Allah has created us except in taqwa

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

There is no racial superiority in Islam. I never implied that in my post and if it came across as me doing so please forgive me. I love my people (the Arabs) but I believe all races are equal as Allah has created us except in taqwa

Adnani, you can love Arabs, their pious, their Munafaq, their Kafir all you want for them simply being Arabs. However, other human beings whether they are muslims or not have zero obligation to do that. Islam doesn't ask them to do so.