Hamzza
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You don't know what you are talking about. Respect Sheikhul Islam. he was accused of tashbih by mubtadia who didn't know what that was but he was free from it and his creed was that of the Salaf
Hating Arabs is kufr
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𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈
VIP
Possibly. How do you draw a distinction between 'التجسيم' and ' التشبيه' ?
I should qualify to say he was accused of [operative], and served multiple prison sentences.
Hamzza
VIP
The difference between Mujassim and Mushabiha is that the Mujassima attribute body to Allah but don't liken him to his creation while the Mushabiha attribute body parts to Allah and liken him to the creation.
You know there is a difference between, he was accused of doing something and he did something. Misguided groups always used to wrongly accuse Ahlus Sunnah and its Ulema of Tashbih from the Jahmiyyah and Mu'tizilah of the past to their modern-day descendants in the form of Ash'ariyah and Maturidiyaah.
Sheikhul Islam was imprisoned for other things that had nothing to do with blasphemy. The only time he was questioned for his Aqqeeda was in the year 705 Hijri and the judges of all four Madhabs agreed that his creed was sound.
قال ابن رجب الحنبلي: ثُمَّ امْتُحِنَ سَنَةَ خَمْس وَسَبْعُمَانَةَ بِالسُّؤَالِ عَنْ مُعْتَقَدِهِ بِأَمْر السُّلْطَانِ، فَجَمَعَ نَائِبُهُ القُضَاةَ والعُلَمَاءَ بالقَصْرِ ، وَأَحْضِرَ الشَّيْخُ، وَسَأَلَهُ عَنْ ذَلِكَ، فَبَعَثَ الشَّيْخُ مَنْ أَحْضَرَ مِنْ دَارِهِ العَقِيْدَةَ الوَاسِطِيَّةَ فَقَرَءُوْهَا فِي ثَلَاثِ مَجَالِسَ، وَحَافَقُوْهُ، وَبَحَثُوا مَعَهُ، وَوَقَعَ الاتِّفَاقُ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ عَلَى أَنَّ هَذِهِ عَقيدَةٌ، سُنِّيَّةٌ ، سَلَفيَّةٌ
The most developed muslims countries (Turkey and Malaysia) are secular do you determine them as kuffar.
Sxb the hadeeth is weak
𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈
VIP
This is a good article on anthropomorphism and similes esp. where the latter is concerned:
الوجه الثاني : أن التشبيه لا يصح نفيه على الإطلاق ؛ لأنه ما من شيئين إلا وبينهما قدر مشترك اتفقا فيه وإن اختلفا في الحقيقة ، فلله وجود وللإنسان وجود ، ولله حياة وللإنسان حياة ، وهذا الاشتراك في أصل المعنى - الحياة - نوع من التشابه ، لكن الحقيقة ...
عقيدة التجسيم والتمثيل ، وأبرز فِرقها ، وحكم الإسلام عليها
A good reading on the accusations of anthropomorphism against ibn Taymiyya:
Accused of Anthropomorphism: Ibn Taymiyya’s Miḥan as Reflected in Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya’s al-Kāfiya al-Shāfiya
Postscript:
I came across some troubling material against ibn Taymiyya being circulated by Shi'a sheikh K al Haydari, which I find bizarre. It is as if there is a concerted campaign to debase his reputation.
Adjunct:
What do you make of the 'القصائد '. and 'والمديح', as engaged in by 'xer timaweyn'?
Cush
Cushite Arab
You're T-M70 so you're not from Saab or Samaale,you're Dir who entered the horn recently and there is no Samaale there is Adnaan though and since the haplogroup E-Y18629 perfectly matches all the Adnaani branches and is the same age we are Adnaani
The Samaalic lineage doesn't even make sense
Could be an Adnaani branch though since all the tribes come under it except Darood 100% proving we're Hashemites
Khaem
VIP
Idiot.
Dir is son of Samaale.
You saying I came in a boat to Somalia? Don't project warya.
Cush
Cushite Arab
Are you retarded? Somalis are all E-V32 whereas you are T-M70, you're sub clade is literally Semitic and you weren't even in the horn in the 1st millennium bc
the fact you don't even know the basics, I give up on you
Gacmeey
Madaxweynaha Qurbo Joogta 🇸🇴
Well I take issue with those two countries being the most developed purely from an economic perspective but regardless, I mentioned nothing about countries/nations especially in a muslim majority country.
I mentioned secularist, individuals, people who believe that they can make laws and discard the sharia. They go directly against this ayah
“وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ فَأُو۟لَـٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْكَـٰفِرُونَ”
hence they are kuffar.
𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈
VIP
@Hamzza
I stand corrected with respect to anthropomorphism accusations against Sh ibn Taymiyah. My earlier suspicious was correct that Shi'ites waged a war against his faith and person. This was corroborated by our local Iman, who was briefed on the matter.
Postscript:
As to the question of his love for the Arabs: he was 3ajami of Kurdish extraction, which would explain as to his affection for the Hashimites, which is just a predilection of one, but has no basis in Islam, for in Islam, no group is favoured over another, as the Prophet stated, and one's likeness, or otherwise, of, or for a group negates that not.
Here is a good article on the discriminatory nature of beholding said views.
I stand corrected with respect to anthropomorphism accusations against Sh ibn Taymiyah. My earlier suspicious was correct that Shi'ites waged a war against his faith and person. This was corroborated by our local Iman, who was briefed on the matter.
Postscript:
As to the question of his love for the Arabs: he was 3ajami of Kurdish extraction, which would explain as to his affection for the Hashimites, which is just a predilection of one, but has no basis in Islam, for in Islam, no group is favoured over another, as the Prophet stated, and one's likeness, or otherwise, of, or for a group negates that not.
Here is a good article on the discriminatory nature of beholding said views.
Somali_patriotic
Everything unuka leh
Are you also serious about your bio?
Is that hadeeth sahih?
Hamzza
VIP
No this was always an orthodox take
Check my threads about this subject Arabs are indeed superior
Cush
Cushite Arab
Arabs of today aren't real Arabs verified by Hadith so idc
𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈
VIP
I'll peek at them. In the interim, how would you reconcile said views with the following?
Khaem
VIP
Your threads and your scholars are worthless. The prophet clearly stated that all are created equal in the image of God. No lineage is inheriy superior to another. Arab or non Arab, black or white.
Any hadith you bring is also worthless in this argument. If a hadith contradicts what the prophet has stated then we discard it. Your scholars are all meaningless after a certain point.
I have the words of the prophet to disprove your insistence that arabs are superior. Unless you can bring something that's greater than a direct quote from the prophet then you should Amous Warya
