Have you noticed that Somaliland is being featured in more maps?

[Gadhwayne]

pl gov does not actually want to leave the union they use secession as an political tool which is written into the pl constitution and the half done federal constitution. Ergo some judicial browny points.

I didnt say Migiurtinia province declared independence. Migiurtinia is independent but that independence is undeclared. Im glad youre a MJ unionist. Promote PL reunification with PL and help the the peoPL confederalism/

The habar awal and habar jeclo supramacy in villa hargeisa is very much the same as the puntland goverment over there, they also let only some subclans sit on the kursi and the deputy kursis.

JSL democracy allowed a patriotic Samaroon leader to become president

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The next president will likely be Waddani and probably GX but even if that doesnt happen the process is democratic

Isaaqland will not rule daroods .

SNM brough democracy to DhulHante and Warsangali. Migiurtinia province should honor the pledge it made to the Amisorm parliament instead acting as an independent, undeclared sovereign state

Who lobbied for them?
Who gave them passports to travel the world to tell their stories?
Who trained their armed forces?
Who created that entire scenario to the last detail?
Say it with me Siad Barre did. He masterminded it.
Why did he do it? Revenge basically for the '77 war. Making Ethiopia landlocked rather thab creating Eritrea is the way to look at it since that was the goal from the get go.

Afweyne betrayed liberation movements fighting Mengistu thats why Eritrean liberation after the red star operation was focalized in the lowlands near Sudan without any help from Afweyne and thats probably why ONLF was founded by Ogaadeenis who felt Afweyne betrayed the liberation movement

Siad barre was the thing they needed. This man fucked up the whole horn. If he never rose to power Eritrea might still have been fighting Ethiopia today.

Afweyne broke the SomaaliRepublic. He did everything he did to maintain his dictatorship. From sending rape gangs to Mudug to dispatching Apartheid South African pilots for bombing raids in wuqooyi. Afweyne even promised American masiixiyiin that he would join them in prayer to Ciisa caleyhi salaam, in return for support against SNM

has @Libaax-Joore the sheegad detector for PL co

Lol you are the one who brought tribalism into it. My reer abti are from burco. And my qabiil is majerteen however my brain is my own.

As a MJ you appear a little to enthusiastic about Afweyne. Has @Libaax-Joore confirmed your subclan?

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[Wir]

Secondly, Somaliland is put as a disputed territory on the Nat Geo maps not a country. Even the internationally recognised Somali-Ethiopian border which is accepted by both Farmaajo and Ethiopia, is put as a disputed demarcation. Further, the name Somaliland is not put in bold as opposed to other nations or even the Ogaden region.

Where does it say its disputed? Djibouti is grey just like somaliland

 

[Afro Asiatic]

Let's get some facts straight:

• Somaliland will never achieve recognition unless Somalia gives its blessing (referendum etc). That's why Catalonia will not become independent in the near future (Spain does not approve).

• Secondly, Somaliland is put as a disputed territory on the Nat Geo maps not a country. Even the internationally recognised Somali-Ethiopian border which is accepted by both Farmaajo and Ethiopia, is put as a disputed demarcation. Further, the name Somaliland is not put in bold as opposed to other nations or even the Ogaden region.

• The main reason why Somaliland is put as a separate area on maps is because it's a nation in all but name due to the instability of its parent nation. Also, it is a much different situation in Somaliland than Somalia for many indicators, hence the need to make a difference between the two entities.

• At the end of the day, the IC will never give ictiraaf or give SL back to the FGS. The matter will be decided in good faith negotiations with elected representatives of both a stable and peaceful government in SL and Somalia proper.

Now go enjoy your FKD guys.

Issaqs/SL only want Hawiye or “southern darood” at the table for any future negotiations

 

[Wir]

All I see is darood crying in this thread like usual about Somaliland. S0mAlIlAnD MaPz WiKbEdiA BrIBe JeWz . Just Stfu

 

[Afro Asiatic]

Where does it say its disputed? Djibouti is grey just like somaliland

Multiple SL flags can be spotted as Far East as ceelaayo

 

[Wir]

Multiple SL flags can be spotted as Far East as ceelaayo

Ceelayo is not visible on the nat geo map mate

 

[FBIsomalia]

Stop with the inferiority complex, you simpleton.

Somaliland rules from Lawyacaddo (Djibouti border) to Tukaraq (Somalia border). If you don't like that then have the balls to do something about it. Stop crying about it on an internet forum.

Im crying lool. You guys like baby boy crying for almost 31 years for ictraaf.

 

[FBIsomalia]

I didnt say Migiurtinia province declared independence. Migiurtinia is independent but that independence is undeclared. Im glad youre a MJ unionist. Promote PL reunification with PL and help the the peoPL confederalism/


SNM brough democracy to DhulHante and Warsangali. Migiurtinia province should honor the pledge it made to the Amisorm parliament instead acting as an independent, undeclared sovereign state

SNM didnt bring any democracy what so ever on those lands. You guys give promises without action. Where is Sool dry port you announce it before two years?.

In Sanaag no one participate your isaaq elections as clear message Bari Sanaag is not part of Jeegaan games.

Only Dhulbahanti love jeegaan for bribe money and soon it will be over you finish .

PL is not MJ state, its Harti State ruled by all Hartis in state. Stop chewing qaat and work maybe Ictraaf will come to you

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

What did I tell you guys about wasting your time with this guy?

Afweyne died shitting himself to death in a Nigerian toilet while the mooryaan ran loose back in his house, yet he was somehow the most powerful guy the world has ever seen?


Don't entertain his delusions lads.

I am talking about his moves i spit on his name. He wasn't the most powerful guy in the horn. Yet he shape the horrors that we have seen the last three decades.

Think about it almost all federal member states are created by the former rebel group of the region. Usc,ssdf, snm etc. Without Siad Barre they wouldn't have been able to sit on those kursis.

Afaworki is basically living siad barre's wildest dream.(Eritrea was supported to weaken Ethiopia if y'all don't understand geopolitics or tactical advantages) Tplf was also trained by siad barre when they took power they seemed to forget who gave them that rise. Then abiy came eventually. So that means everyone in the horn got in their kursi by siad barre directly or indirectly. Tell me about another leader in the horn with this much negative impact.

Tplf tried to do the same in somalia with the fms but failed miserably so yeah he is Horn's most fucked up leader.

 

[Gantaal97]

SNM didnt bring any democracy what so ever on those lands. You guys give promises without action. Where is Sool dry port you announce it before two years?.

In Sanaag no one participate your isaaq elections as clear message Bari Sanaag is not part of Jeegaan games.

Only Dhulbahanti love jeegaan for bribe money and soon it will be over you finish .

PL is not MJ state, its Harti State ruled by all Hartis in state. Stop chewing qaat and work maybe Ictraaf will come to you

Copyland thanks to Mujahadintada SNM Somaliland is the only Somali nation that held free and fair elections for the last 20 years marka iska aamus and don't bring SNM out from your mouth

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

I didnt say Migiurtinia province declared independence. Migiurtinia is independent but that independence is undeclared. Im glad youre a MJ unionist. Promote PL reunification with PL and help the the peoPL confederalism/



JSL democracy allowed a patriotic Samaroon leader to become president

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The next president will likely be Waddani and probably GX but even if that doesnt happen the process is democratic



SNM brough democracy to DhulHante and Warsangali. Migiurtinia province should honor the pledge it made to the Amisorm parliament instead acting as an independent, undeclared sovereign state



Afweyne betrayed liberation movements fighting Mengistu thats why Eritrean liberation after the red star operation was focalized in the lowlands near Sudan without any help from Afweyne and thats probably why ONLF was founded by Ogaadeenis who felt Afweyne betrayed the liberation movement



Afweyne broke the SomaaliRepublic. He did everything he did to maintain his dictatorship. From sending rape gangs to Mudug to dispatching Apartheid South African pilots for bombing raids in wuqooyi. Afweyne even promised American masiixiyiin that he would join them in prayer to Ciisa caleyhi salaam, in return for support against SNM

has @Libaax-Joore the sheegad detector for PL co



As a MJ you appear a little to enthusiastic about Afweyne. Has @Libaax-Joore confirmed your subclan?

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Walaal thank you for the information.
I like history that's why i get passionate at times i guess.

I hate siad barre from the bottom of my dark heart. I would choke him to death eth my bear hands and watch the life leave his body with much joy. But alas i was born a bit to late.

That man started the somali game of thrones saga we are currently on season 30 sum...

Without him we would probably flourish as an neutral nation.

 

[Gantaal97]

I am talking about his moves i spit on his name. He wasn't the most powerful guy in the horn. Yet he shape the horrors that we have seen the last three decades.

Think about it almost all federal member states are created by the former rebel group of the region. Usc,ssdf, snm etc. Without Siad Barre they wouldn't have been able to sit on those kursis.

Afaworki is basically living siad barre's wildest dream.(Eritrea was supported to weaken Ethiopia if y'all don't understand geopolitics or tactical advantages) Tplf was also trained by siad barre when they took power they seemed to forget who gave them that rise. Then abiy came eventually. So that means everyone in the horn got in their kursi by siad barre directly or indirectly. Tell me about another leader in the horn with this much negative impact.

Tplf tried to do the same in somalia with the fms but failed miserably so yeah he is Horn's most fucked up leader.

Why are you repeating bs historical revisionism???

Since when Somalia helped and train TPLF or EPLF lol

EPLF founded TPLF and they got their training in Sudan which hosted the rebel groups and China provided weapons for them especially EPLF

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

Im crying lool. You guys like baby boy crying for almost 31 years for ictraaf.

I am crying for the English language that you continue to assault like it's a common streetwalker.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

Why are you repeating bs historical revisionism???

Since when Somalia helped and train TPLF or EPLF lol

EPLF founded TPLF and they got their training in Sudan which hosted the rebel groups and China provided weapons for them especially EPLF

Well i be damned i really thought i got a great source since it came from an elder eritrean. I am not joking.

 

[Afro Asiatic]

Ceelayo is not visible on the nat geo map mate

I drove by it, saw a small SL outpost, on the western fringe of ceelaayo

 

[Calaf]

Why are you repeating bs historical revisionism???

Since when Somalia helped and train TPLF or EPLF lol

EPLF founded TPLF and they got their training in Sudan which hosted the rebel groups and China provided weapons for them especially EPLF

Eritrea Ambassador to Japan used to have a Somali Passport.



https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/report/16449/ethiopia-somalia-uneasy-relationship

Meles Zenawi came to power with the Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPDRF) in 1991, in the same year the Somali government collapsed. Initially, the events in the two countries seemed to break the mould. Meles knew Somalia very well, as he lived in Mogadishu when he was a liberation leader in the 1980s. Meles and Eritrean leader Isayas Afewerki “lived together in a villa behind Tawfiq Hotel, north Mogadishu, and were handled by the National Security Service, provided with travel documents and Somali passports, trained and given a Tigrayan radio frequency”, a former senior Somali government official told IRIN.

He did zero and no one in Eritrea actually knows that dude lol while Sudan and China did a lot for them for example Sudan hosted Eritrean rebels group camp in its territories with weapons and training coming from China like Eritrea president or dictator afwerki was trained by china in the 60s

Don't let cuqdad undercover the true reality. Somalia did support TPLF and Eritrea for its fight for independence.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

Eritrea Ambassador to Japan used to have a Somali Passport.



https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/report/16449/ethiopia-somalia-uneasy-relationship







Don't let cuqdad undercover the true reality. Somalia did support TPLF and Eritrea for its fight for independence.

Thank you for posting the evidence behind what i was saying i started to doubt my self.

 

[Gantaal97]

Eritrea Ambassador to Japan used to have a Somali Passport.



https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/report/16449/ethiopia-somalia-uneasy-relationship







Don't let cuqdad undercover the true reality. Somalia did support TPLF and Eritrea for its fight for independence.

Somalia supported EPLF diplomatically but never the reason of why they got independence as the struggle was started in 1961 where Eritrean rebels controlled most of rural areas and Sudan was their base and from there china trained and armed the EPLF maoist group when it defeated ELF during Eritrean civil war and the ELF was previously got aid from Egypt and other Arab states

 

[fais]

Somalia supported EPLF diplomatically but never the reason of why they got independence as the struggle was started in 1961 where Eritrean rebels controlled most of rural areas and Sudan was their base and from there china trained and armed the EPLF maoist group when it defeated ELF during Eritrean civil war and the ELF was previously got aid from Egypt and other Arab states

Afwayne gave them passports and that is what gave them their independence bro

 

[Calaf]

Somalia supported EPLF diplomatically but never the reason of why they got independence as the struggle was started in 1961 where Eritrean rebels controlled most of rural areas and Sudan was their base and from there china trained and armed the EPLF maoist group when it defeated ELF during Eritrean civil war and the ELF was previously got aid from Egypt and other Arab states

You said "Zero" support, not the degree or level of support that Somalia provided. So thus you was wrong. Of course it wasn't the direct cause but it was still a factor, that Somalia still supported them, in training, economically and diplomatically. The Arabs and Chinese provided military support, Sudan as a base, and Somalia as a shelter. Also, both leaders lived in Somalia, under the administration of the time.