Democracy doesn't work in the middle east and Africa because Colonialists put together Waring people that hated each other in one country. Democracy means Demos (People) and Kratos (Strength), ie the people with the biggest numbers rule, and in a country full of different tribes that means the tribes with the biggest numbers have the last say and choice in what goes on in the country, in this case the Oromara alliance which are over 60% of the country. Democracy equals win for you, but an L for everyone else. Democracy doesn't work in Colonial borders, it only works in fully independent homogeneous places. That's why the kikuyu rule kenya, and if full democracy is implemented in Ethiopia, Oromo and Amhara will just keep trading terms and will decided what goes on forever, which isn't acceptable.
HAYAAAAAY BREAKING NEWS: ETHIOPIA DEPLOYS ARMY INTO JIGJIGA, PUPPET ABDI ILEY THROWN IN JAIL
- Thread starter Grigori Rasputin
- Start date
- Status
embarassing
VIP
But that is only one side of democracy. Look the last 27 years a minority ruled, people had no say, oppositions were killed and tortured etc.
Even if with the possible negative impact of the majority rule, we will have people actually electing their local officials, no torture, free media, free flow of opinions etc. This is huge and locally every region will finally govern themselves not a fake autonomy we had that was actually run by TPLF from the behind. Even with the mentioned disadvantages we will have enormous benefits and in Ethiopia we are already witnessing it. Medias going to prisons and speaking to tortured prisoners and the next day the complete prison leadership is gone. I mean just for stopping the inhuman and horrific crimes, democracy is way better than what we had the last 27 years. When you add the huge looting of the country's resources by few TPLF officials etc. it is not even comparable.
That is the main reason I support PM Abiy's determination to freedom and democracy and the fully free and fair election for the first time in 2 years time.
Von
With blood and Iron will we reach the fatherland
So are you against Somali independence? and if so why?
We are not Ethiopian nor is our land or history Ethiopian so we have the right to leave right?
So are you against Somali independence? and if so why?
We are not Ethiopian nor is our land or history Ethiopian so we have the right to leave right?
I support the rights of every citizen. I am a democrat through and through. And if Somalis in Ethiopia want to become independent then they should fully support PM Abiy and his efforts to make Ethiopia a truly democratic country. That is the only chance I see if Somalis want independence. TPLF never ever would have given them a chance to even openly discuss the issue let alone to actually become independent but massacred all ONLF operatives. If Somalis want independence then the only road is through democratic means and that means supporting PM Abiy and his efforts in freeing the institutions from TPLF/Abdi operatives to make them independent and serve the people equally. At minimum people, political parties and medias will be able to discuss and debate the issue freely without fearing reprisals.
Von
With blood and Iron will we reach the fatherland
Ethiopian democracy means Amharic on top with Oromos as lapdogs and everyone else suffers like the good old days, ill take my chances and bite a bullet
Ethiopian democracy means Amharic on top with Oromos as lapdogs and everyone else suffers like the good old days, ill take my chances and bite a bullet
Wrong! Give PM Abiy the chance and you will see what I mean. We are heading to the real democratic Ethiopia and all the former looters and dictators are spreading propaganda knowing they will lose all their loot. Believe me the people everywhere in Ethiopia are already loving the freedom. For the first time they are not targeted at will and oppressed by officials. This is coming soon to Somali region. I am very confident. Somali region will not be a one party, a one man dictatorship anymore. The local medias will be free soon and oppostion parties and activists will be debating on national media without fear. Don't be fooled with the propaganda of those who have been looting the country dry and killing innocent civilians for the last 27 years. PM Abiy is one of the rear chances we have to finally become free of oppression, all of us.
All this is hogwash if the state shows aims to loot the resources in the Somali region. It has to be shared out evenly and real development has to be seen.
Von
With blood and Iron will we reach the fatherland
Give Abiy a chance? the guy cut electricity, water and telecommunication the first chance he got and offered Somalis only 5 percent of the profits from their own resources, that shows me we are not Ethiopian proper but a resource colony that must be forced into staying with Ethiopia.
You guys really gullible, sorry (no disrespect). Show me one credible news source or any video or any evidence that shows the 5% deal. Give me anything. Don't believe any BS! And cutting electricity, I don't know who did it but certainly the federal government will not get any profit by doing so. In fact the old looters will use it to protect their loots and be against any reforms. You guys see too much through ethnic glass and think PM Abiy is your enemy just because he is Oromo. He is one of the least ethnic centered person in office right now. Believe me he will do everything to make sure all Somali citizens are no more tortured, and the rights of every Somali citizen is respected. Mark my word.
The old looters and killers are making it all about Oil and independence etc. That is big fake news. It is about making sure Somali State just like the other states are on the track of transformation into democracy and Abdi the thug/king is a big obstacle!
"resource colony"? Somali State until now contributed zero to the federal government and is one of the highly subsidized states. This may change soon because of the oil but until now it was always a lose for Ethiopia.
Last edited:
Von
With blood and Iron will we reach the fatherland
Not a single Somali will ever think what you say is true going but the history of how Ethiopians treat Somalis and No BS assimilated Amaharic puppet will tell me otherwise.
Dont lie to yourself Western Somalia was is future resources colony and the Expansionist policy of your people. If Ethiopians got their way Sudan, Greater Somalia and Yemen would today be Ethiopia.
Everyday i research more about your people the more i fear Ethiopian aggression toward Somalis. Your people have not changed just the times... Mark my words if Ethiopia wins in 10 years their won't be a Somali Region.
A loss? Your aim is to keep the Ogaden region for yourselves so you can use it’s untapped natural resources to build Ethiopia while we get nothing to show for it.
Where were the feds when Somali’s were getting killed? No stern condemnation from the PM? Are you aware of the dinner party that was recently thrown for the Eritrean delegation where a popular Qeero singer was invited to entertain PM Abiy unleashing a hate song calling for the massacre of Somali’s?
Plus we all know the PM’s inner circle consist of extremist Oromos whose hands are tainted with the blood of Somalis, Amhara, Afars, and Sidamas. Listen, you don’t need Ogaden region for anything, the only reason you can talk with your chest out is by the grace of your European masters. Somali’s want nothing to do with you Ethiopians, to us you’re all the same. f*ck your fake unholy union, you’re not fooling anyone here shill.
I agree with you people on this site see everyone thing through the clan glass. What I canot understand is how can somebody support iley who has murdered so many somalis
it was reported in the Pulitzer prize winning newswebsite Oodweynenews.com
I fully agree. I have no idea where the 5% "news" came and until now no one can show me any evidence to back the claim. Any credible news source or any audio/video showing the PM talking about the issue. What I see is everybody repeating the fake news without checking the sources.
I stated the overall RIO of Somali region was until now just a loss, that is fact. The states gates way more in subsidy than it sends to the federal government. This pure fact. Besides the direct subsidy to the state's budget, the fed also invested in airports, roads, university, hospitals etc. Again just facts. Overall it was a loss for Ethiopia in terms of resources. But with the oil now showing up, it may be a plus from now on.
When the Somali were getting killed, the Oromos were crying in the same manner about the killings by Liyu police and the more than 1 million displaced Oromos. Both Somalis and Oromos are victims here but instead of finding the third entity that is instigating the chaos both are blaming and killing each other. PM Abiy is about finding and eliminating the real perpetrators, I suspect mostly TPLF old generals backing both sides. Somalis and Oromos need to open their eyes and wake up.
The artist you mentioned cried exactly like any Somali just as an Oromo. I see both Somalis and Oromos victims of a third force. The PM of course can't prevent the artist speaking his mind, now that we are in a the path of democratic transformation.
Lastly, the PM inner circle does not consist of extremist Oromos, that is pure lie. It is consists of pure nationalist and patriotic Ethiopians.
You should stop this paranoia and be realistic. The Somali state is anchored and defined in the constitution, no one can simple wipe it out and make it something different. The only change I see is that the FAKE federalism that was run from behind by TPLF will be a truly democratic federalism. Somalis will be electing their own governments and the local government will be accountable only to the people as long as it abides by the constitution, i.e. allowing free press, freedom of speech etc.
- Status
