how are somalis in europe and north america currently doing school? how can we emulate the success of model minorities?

[Juliet]

We shouldn’t copy any other race, we should just be our own people.

I'm not really paying attention to the thread topic itself, just calling out this madow larper

 

[LilBang]

I'm not really paying attention to the thread topic itself, just calling out this madow larper

You really think he’s madow? Or a Xabeshi

 

[Juliet]

You really think he’s madow? Or a Xabeshi

the more posts i read from him, the more certain I am. He's not the only larper I've clocked though, there's others, who get so mad when I call them out

 

[OPIUM KHAT]

So far this strategy hasn't worked so far in the west loool.

Somalis need to adopt the tiger parenting culture Asians have.

somalis already have that, I'd say even worse

 

[Kisame]

somalis already have that, I'd say even worse

Where are the thousands of doctors and engineers???

 

[Kisame]

This is what tiger parenting means @OPIUM KHAT

This is the main reason why east and south Asians are dominating in stem.

 

[OPIUM KHAT]

Where are the thousands of doctors and engineers???

I dont know where you live but in my country most somalis major in engineering or become something in the medical field usually there's a few bums here and there. Though in my own experiences my parents are super competitive they're always comparing me to other somali kids or ajanabi folks and my mom always brags my brother to other somali ladies then they'll brag theirs vice versa. She'd kill me if I got anything under a 98.

 

[Varriris]

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[Kisame]

I dont know where you live but in my country most somalis major in engineering or become something in the medical field usually there's a few bums here and there. Though in my own experiences my parents are super competitive they're always comparing me to other somali kids or ajanabi folks and my mom always brags my brother to other somali ladies then they'll brag theirs vice versa. She'd kill me if I got anything under a 98.

Your parents behavior sadly isn't the norm.

Shout out to your parents though.

 

[Kisame]

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Active and educated parents seems to be the key to raising successful children.

Most students graduating with stem and finance degrees have educated parents.

 

[gasara]

Your parents behavior sadly isn't the norm.

Shout out to your parents though.

Its pretty common here.

 

[The truth seeker]

somalis already have that, I'd say even worse

Now we don’t we have incompetent lazy parents who raise kids that don’t understand how the world works

 

[The truth seeker]

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A strong father figure is supposed to teach you financial responsibility and how to change a tire always envied the Asian kids they were self sufficient at age 12

 

[The truth seeker]

Asian Americans are “model minority ”Becuse they come to America and are obsessed with achieving the American dream they teach there kids about money at 11 and start there own business even opening gas stations in the hood

I went to a 4th of July party a few years ago at a Chinese guys place his house was the biggest I’d ever seen with a huge pool in the back and disco lights on the deck at night

 

[ilmoweyn]

Somalis I know are either mega geniuses or not partaking in high education, I'd say a 70 positive, 30 negative split

 

[MalcolmFitzhugh08]

the more posts i read from him, the more certain I am. He's not the only larper I've clocked though, there's others, who get so mad when I call them out

these larpers are cringe why can't they just be with their own people

 

[Juliet]

these larpers are cringe why can't they just be with their own people

itoobiyan ba tahay warya

ka bax meeshan

 

[MalcolmFitzhugh08]

People follow where job security and money exist. Health and tech are the safe and long-term beneficial routes for people who seek a stable life or a return highest yield for the chosen education. I would not look down on this or downplay their rationale into mindless copy-paste group echoing. This reflects good thinking by Somalis.

Somalis are very far from collectivism if we use Asians as the quintessential benchmark. We're somewhere in the middle. Collective when it matters -- when it comes to norms and social morality-- which is crucial for all communities not to break down. Besides that, the Somali man has a very independent mind. Sometimes, too independent and rogue, like a warrior who is idle and serves no purpose, and can quickly succumb to bad forces. Often times we might be influenced by external things instead of harnessing our collective potential. That is why we have a bunch of individuals here who subscribe to self-harming ideologies that serve us nothing good. However, those are very group-think low critical thinking driven, mainly perpetuated by mainstream liberal thinking of the West, rather than an individual original grounding. Good collectivism would have effectively negated that.

To illustrate my point strongly, we'd have a centralized superstate if we were genuine collectivists (not that it is ideal, but it would be the direct pragmatic consequence). Collectivist cultures breed centralized, extremely systemic societies. Look at China, Japan, and South Korea. We are not like that. Ethiopians are much more collectivist than Somalis. That is why initially derg was popular at first, while whatever socialist system Siyad Barre came up with, most Somalis did not even subscribe to. It merely served as a bureaucratic governmental system and signaling for foreign diplomatic ties. We're not anarchic either. I see a lot of unformed people that think this -- an entirely ridiculous claim. We are a mix of things that can seem extreme if used wrong but are, in fact, the most balanced if harnessed right. The tuning just needs adjuments and patience. We've had times when it functioned, and times when things went in the wrong direction. Everything has its tradeoffs and drawbacks depending on contexts and implementation.

There is also a deep nuance to collectivism. Japan is a collectivist society but you will find big egos and self-interested individuals within the conformity that drives a society to the ground because of how it is not linearly dichotomous with hedonistic selfish pursuits.

get what your saying but from my pov Somalis aren't individualistic if we were then we'd have something to show for it rather we are collectivist whether it's in the homeland or diaspora. Our politics or state of governance isn't individualistic either it's still collectivism at its core it's just every clan has a different identity so stick to supporting their people.

 

[MalcolmFitzhugh08]

itoobiyan ba tahay warya

ka bax meeshan

qoorman Ethiopian noqday kkk

 

[Devilsadvocate]

That’s a very low bar, I think OP was talking about emulating asians and such, not you Nigerians/Congolese, or whatever west African country you’re from

Nigerians are very successful in the UK, whether in education or jobs, so Somalis should copy them tbh.