200,000 people died in the war known as the 'Black Decade,' which many see as a foreshadowing of the turmoil to come in other Muslim countries. But how did the Algerian government ultimately defeat the FIS? And why didn't neighboring leaders like Gaddafi in Libya or Ben Ali in Tunisia manage to prevent similar challenges in their own countries?
How did Algeria win its civil war?
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Algerian government had the biggest and strongest armed force and has the support of the west especially france.
The FIS was invented by the Algerian Junta after the moderate Islamic party won the first democratic elections in order to smear them, they literally almost lost a civil war to their own creation
Wasn't the FIS a founded by Muslim brotherhood members?
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True the FIS was the Algerian version of MBH.
But I belive they are the closest thing to the ICU in somalia and how they split into moderate and radicals like alshabab, and the same happened I'm algeria FIS surrendered and GIA broke from them and became radical terrorists
Garaad Awal
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Well they have a govt, something Somalians lack. Somalians prefer to invite foreigners to fight on their behalf.
Ngl You got a point tho
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Garaad Awal
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There are too many delusional children on this site walaal. Someone has to be the unfiltered voice of reason.
It was not a civil war , it was war on terrorism
FIS are not civil and cannot be considered civil for many reasons
Fis and their supporters are MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE LIKE AL SHABAAB
They set Algeria back 800 YEARS
CORRUPTION AND MASS MIGRATION started when THEY DECLARED JIHAD
Those EX FIS JIHADISTS didnt surrender 100% , SOME OF THEM ARE STILL FIS, the OTHERS WENT TO society and STARTED SOCIETAL JIHAD , the rest moved to syria libya mali afghanistan isis and more
FIS are not civil and cannot be considered civil for many reasons
Fis and their supporters are MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE LIKE AL SHABAAB
They set Algeria back 800 YEARS
CORRUPTION AND MASS MIGRATION started when THEY DECLARED JIHAD
Those EX FIS JIHADISTS didnt surrender 100% , SOME OF THEM ARE STILL FIS, the OTHERS WENT TO society and STARTED SOCIETAL JIHAD , the rest moved to syria libya mali afghanistan isis and more
Both the Islamic Courts Union and Kacaan were actually governments, they didn't win because they didn't receive the full backing of the west or a major power. Instead western and foreign support went to Warlords/insurgents. They won many times up until a certain point , until it proliferated.
Compare this to Djibouti which was basically a Somali government was successful in winning it's civil war, because it enjoyed backing from the west, particular by France. Same as Algeria.
Djiboutian Civil War - Wikipedia
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Gaddafi had the whole western world backing rebel groups against him, how is this even a serious question?
They were literally backed by NATO and the US AIR Force , Tunisian Army , the UN etc NATO was bombing them far and wide.
Garaad Awal
Former African
Tribal govt of Afweyne fought secular rebels. We are talking about fighting Islamist radical insurgency. ICU was a radical terrorist insurgency of which Shabaab ultimately descends from.Both the Islamic Courts Union and Kacaan were actually governments, they didn't win because they didn't receive the full backing of the west or a major power. Instead western and foreign support went to Warlords/insurgents. They won many times up until a certain point , until it proliferated.
Compare this to Djibouti which was basically a Somali government was successful in winning it's civil war, because it enjoyed backing from the west, particular by France. Same as Algeria.
Djiboutian Civil War - Wikipedia
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You can’t defeat Al Shabaab because you have no govt or will to fight them
Tribal govt fought secular rebels you say. The rebels that organized themselves exclusively on single clan basis were only secular but the government that consisted of all Somalis was tribal? Waa cajiib.
And those groups were not only insurgencies, they were foreign funded , organized and hosted proxy militias and the government actually defeated them decisively for many years from the time they emerged in the early 80s. SNM for example lost every time. They didn't win a single time and all they amounted to was banditry.
Islamic Courts Union was not a radical terrorist insurgency, it was as it's name implies various Courts throughout the country that was operational from the early 90s that united into one governing body and they rooted out most of Warlords that that came out of those insurgencies and brought law, order and peace. Was a defacto well functioning government and there is no extreme policies or terrorism inacted by them throughtout their whole rule.
Alshabab was a minor youth political party among many parties with no significant influence, they were also not a militia either initially. It grew out of youth volenteers that defended against a us-backed ethiopian invasion that ended up radicalizing it.
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Algeria is just best case scenario Somalia. Oil producing military junta. Nothing unites us in this country except war, Somalia’s borders will probably be more open though
Garaad Awal
Former African
A thread about an Islamist insurgency has been hijacken about your obsession of defending the Afweyne regime & your Isaaqophobia
Many of the men involved in ICU and the ideology of ICU was Salafist Jihadism making them terrorists.
They were Islamist terrorists that were almost successful unlike the Algerian Islamists who didn’t even get the opportunity to make a psuedo-state.
ICU is why you have Al Shabaab today. Defeating Jihadist Islamists permanently has never been done before except in Algeria.
Algeria has a strong state,military and the people supported their govt & military. They don’t want to ruled by Salafist interpretations of Islam which is barbaric.
Majority of the founders were ICU members, they are progeny of the ICU. There is no ideological difference between ICU & Shabaab. Only moron or a disingenuous person would claim that they are vastly different from one another. Are you an ICU supporter? Maybe you belong on an intelligence watchlist
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there is a major difference.
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It's not me obsessively defending the regime, i could care less about it in the grander scheme of things. A regime can come and go and be replaced. Siad Barre's regime was poised to be replaced just like the one before it.
It's actually people like you who are obsessed with supporting, legitimizing and defending traitor proxy groups who collaborated with Ethiopia to destroy and attack their own people. All because the members were from your own clan. Isaaqphiobia kulaha
To you SNM = Isaaq , To others SDF is Majereteen, USC is Hawiye. You don't see them for the self serving traitors that they are, that did not represent any clan.
Ask yourself this did Isaaq, Majerteen, or Hawiye gaint benefit from it? or did it not just cause them to flee, bring serious suffering, lives lost and overall destruction?
If they had real legitimacy amongst their own people , how come they haven't made their people lives prosperous , i mean they had 30 years to do it .
So don't give me that disingenuous Isaaqhobia talk, you clearly hate Isaaqs as much as you hate the rest of the Somali nation.
This is how international observers described them at the time a. It never had the same radical jihadists leanings as Taliban, Al-Qaida.
It's not surprising because they were not radical insurgent groups at all. They were courts that was peacefully administrating law and judicial reforms.
The Islamic Courts emerged as a vehicle for social change and was introduced as a counter measure to rescue innocent Somalis and restore peace.
The real terrorists were actually warlords with their militias who terrorized and brutalized the local civilian populous , at the same time restricted their freedoms and they were rooted out when the courts united together.
Do i support the ICU? The majority of local Somalis supported them and welcomed them
And yeah the current day Alshabaab was not part of Islamic courts union, it was something that emerged out of the occupation and invasion between 2006 to 2009. It was created by direct foreign intervention.
