How to enter paradise without punishment - Shaykh bin ‘Uthaymin رحمه الله

[Omar del Sur]

 

[Aurelian]

You know that the Ibadis see that your prayers will not be accepted if you have an unjust ruler?

 

[Omar del Sur]

You know that the Ibadis see that your prayers will not be accepted if you have an unjust ruler?

audubillah don't take your din from the khawarij

 

[Aurelian]

audubillah don't take your din from the khawarij

they are no longer classified as Khawaarij, they have a whole state; Oman, one of the most peaceful states in the middle-east

 

[Omar del Sur]

they are no longer classified as Khawaarij, they have a whole state; Oman, one of the most peaceful states in the middle-east

They're khawarij.

 

[Omar del Sur]

 

[Aurelian]

They're khawarij.

Oman and Omani sheikhs and people who are Ibadiya debunk these claims in the video, they are peaceful, faithful and trustworthy. No hatred to other muslims whatsoever.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Oman and Omani sheikhs and people who are Ibadiya debunk these claims in the video, they are peaceful, faithful and trustworthy. No hatred to other muslims whatsoever.

I know some Hindus who act peaceful too. They're still mushrikeen.

 

[Omar del Sur]

@Aurelian what's crazy is I've seen you mock Sheikh Fawzan but then you talk about the leaders of this deviant Ibadi group with such high esteem.... I have some serious doubt as to whether you are a Sunni Muslim... it's like you're cool with basically anything except ordinary Sunni Islam.

 

[Omar del Sur]

as I said before: "whatever weird strange ideas he introduces, it's always stuff that undermines orthodox Sunni Islam. out of nowhere he starts pushing for people to have doubt about Sahih Bukhari. out of nowhere he starts pushing for people to not believe in Imam Mahdi. out of nowhere he starts pushing for people to doubt the hadith in general. it's almost exactly like having an atheist poster except the atheist poster will hopefully at least be honest about what they really believe. I'd very curious as to what exactly @Aurelian believes in terms of religion and I don't think he's exactly forthcoming about what his religious views are. he doesn't believe in Sahih al-Bukhari? he thinks it's ok to talk about Ali? [Aurelian was openly disrespecting Ali and defending this] it is very reasonable to wonder what religion this person really is."

@Aurelian now after all the other efforts you've done to undermine orthodox sunni Islam, now you come and add this on top of everything else. you just add more and more deviance on top of deviance in service to satan.

 

[Aurelian]

@Aurelian what's crazy is I've seen you mock Sheikh Fawzan but then you talk about the leaders of this deviant Ibadi group with such high esteem.... I have some serious doubt as to whether you are a Sunni Muslim... it's like you're cool with basically anything except ordinary Sunni Islam.

what deviant? These guys never made any act of violence against Muslims for the past 100 years, unlike Shia and Sunnis, I am not talking about two or three people here, from their top leaders to the masses, they don't have any disdain to the general Ummah, look how they support Palestine, who they advocate for Unity.

You either a brain dead, or a bot who act as Muslim. I wont be surprised if you have another anti-Muslim or troll accounts.

 

[Omar del Sur]

what deviant? These guys never made any act of violence against Muslims for the past 100 years, unlike Shia and Sunnis, I am not talking about two or three people here, from their top leaders to the masses, they don't have any disdain to the general Ummah, look how they support Palestine, who they advocate for Unity.

You either a brain dead, or a bot who act as Muslim. I wont be surprised if you have another anti-Muslim or troll accounts.

why do you think it's okay to disrespect Ali? it isn't just one deviant thing you bring. you bring another and another and another.

 

[Omar del Sur]

@Aurelian Why do you encourage people to doubt the hadith?

Always take hadith with gain of salt.

 

[Omar del Sur]

@Aurelian why do you encourage Muslims not to believe in Imam Mahdi?

Mahdi started with the shia. There is no hadith mentioning the Mahdi in Sahih Muslim and Bukhari or the Quran.

Mahdi is a shia scam infiltrated in the sunni manhaj centuries ago.

 

[Omar del Sur]

@Aurelian why do you try to undermine Muslims' trust in Sahih Al Bukhari?

'Sahih' Al-Bukhari at Bukhari's time was considered as a merely collected hadiths with "I think this is authentic to my knowledge" stamp on it.

Al-Bukhari discredited 55% of what he collected, based on reasoning and criteria he put.

 

[Aurelian]

oh, you went ballistic, it looks like I exposed you, you lil anti-muslim

 

[Omar del Sur]

oh, you went ballistic, it looks like I exposed you, you lil anti-muslim

oh so I'm the anti-Muslim and you're the Islam defender. is that why you want Muslims to doubt the hadith?

why don't you answer my questions? and why do you disrespect Ali?

Why you ignoring the fact he killed two sahaba who were promised Jannah, and surrounded himself with the killers of Othman?

 

[Omar del Sur]

@Aurelian You are a slimy coward who disrespects Ali. I stand behind my positions. I point out your positions and you don't want to stand behind your own stated views.

 

[Aurelian]

oh so I'm the anti-Muslim and you're the Islam defender. is that why you want Muslims to doubt the hadith?

why don't you answer my questions? and why do you disrespect Ali?

But he did kill two Sahaba who were promised Jannah, who is that disrespectful for stating facts.

This is what you do, you run around throwing accusation to derail the topics, why this why that, like a fucking cycle, which is considered a way not to engage in conversation or debate.

What you have are 2 min long videos about Baz or Fawzan or just running around with why and why, like your question for the alleged disrespect has the answer, not only that, but the Khawaarij you are against were his men in Medina. Which makes us wonder why you act like this, are you brainlet or troll?

 

[Omar del Sur]

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But he did kill two Sahaba who were promised Jannah, who is that disrespectful for stating facts.

This is what you do, you run around throwing accusation to derail the topics, why this why that, like a fucking cycle, which is considered a way not to engage in conversation or debate.

I engaged the subject. I posted Sheikh Fawzan. Now.... Sheikh Fawzan is not a perfect person and I know that but Sheikh Fawzan is a legitimate Sunni scholar.

There is no legit Sunni scholar in the history of Islam that agrees with your views.

Will I keep going back and forth about the Ibadi thing? Not with you, I don't think.

And let's not cuss. I would never cuss at you insha'Allah. I wasn't trying to make things personal. You got into the personal attack thing.

All I did was put a little disclaimer to let the people know: "hey btw this is the guy with this set of deviant views".... it makes sense doesn't it, to let people know the ideology/school of thought that the person belongs to? if we had an atheist poster on here- it would make perfect sense to say "hey btw- this person posting this irreligious viewpoint- this is actually an atheist".... the equivalent thing would be if I said Allah is above the Throne and you said "well of course Omar del Sur believes that as an Athari" and then you gave your objection. people refer to me as being Salafi all the time. I don't get outraged when someone says "hey, you as a Salafi- what do you think about these pseudosalafis telling us not to boycott the zionists"....

so why do you feel outraged when I merely point out what you believe? that you encourage Muslims not to believe in the hadith. that you attack their confidence in Sahih al-Bukhari. that you shamelessly attack Ali. that you tell them Imam Mahdi is a Shia fabrication.

I'm proud of what I believe. Why aren't you proud of what you believe?