How will Somalia navigate the new political landscape? Allies? Alliances? Diplomacy?

[Midas]

America is not controlled by zionists? Even non-Muslims of every political leaning know that for a fact today.

If you believe the US is not controlled by zionists and americans are genuinely trying to fix Muslim countries but have gotten exhausted from working so hard. I dont know what to tell you, it is too much to even cover.

Also, as a Muslim you need to know everything is about Islam and deen, Allah SWT put us on this earth and warned us through the Quran about what life on this earth would be like and what we need to look out for.

If you have been tricked into secularism that is one thing, it is another to still be blind to the fact that everything that is happening is due to different groups closely held *religious* beliefs.

Yeah but idk how to help you here, I would advise taking time to research all of this as it seems you are stuck in the mainstream propaganda that most people have come out of.

This is what I'm talking about you have to get rid of this idea that america or frankly any state will try to help or hurt you because of relegious reasons. Countries do not make decisions bases on relegious reasons. This has nothing do with me being secular or anything (I'm not) but politicians make decisions based off their own group intrested and the occasional ideologically motived politican who sways others.

I think if you read what premodern islamic history was actually like. It would disabuse of this notion that Muslim rulers in the past were saints. When in reality they were just like politicians today. Although the ulema had more influence and could hold back some of their actions.

If your idea of islam is somehow connected with this idea of some Muslim ruler who will go against his own national and political interests for his fellow Muslims. I'm sorry to tell you that person doesn't exist. That's why I occasionalt focus on other things besides geopolitics since it's not good for the iman to think as a political realist but it gives you an accurate view .
there is a reason that people say that the scholar should stay away from the ruler.

 

[Idilinaa]

I would have to agree with @Galool . America is definitely controlled by Zionists and probably will be in the foreseeable future.

The US State secretary emphasized his jewish roots in the midst of discussion about Palestine -Isreal conflict

The Isreal alignment has to do with safeguarding its interests in the middle east as well.

 

[Idilinaa]

But outside of their very real Isreal alignment, the US is a big question mark at the moment in regards to Somalia.

We will have to observe how they respond and interact with Somalia and Ethiopia now that there has been a regime change.

 

[Zak12]

Its time like this where I miss @Three Moons political analyses

 

[Idilinaa]

Its time like this where I miss @Three Moons political analyses

What happened to him?

 

[Idilinaa]

Somalia should try to market ourselves as the gateway to Africa from the East.

We have ties with the Middle East through centuries of contact, India through trade, Europe through colonialism. There is no go to for Russia/China/SEA/Iran/Turkey to help create alliances within the continent and that’s where our diplomatic future lies I believe.

I also think we should look to dominate East Africa. We have a sizable presence in ETH/KEN/TAN/UGA. That’s 300 million people. We know this can work because our businessmen have succeeded here

Diplomatically it didn't workout for us in the past. The Kacaan regime tried be a bridge between the East and Africa but it didn't pay off diplomatically not even economically. In an ideal what you say would makes sense

I actually used to think this was the move for us, until i saw the practical result of it.

 

[Burqad]

America is not controlled by zionists? Even non-Muslims of every political leaning know that for a fact today.

If you believe the US is not controlled by zionists and americans are genuinely trying to fix Muslim countries but have gotten exhausted from working so hard. I dont know what to tell you, it is too much to even cover.

Also, as a Muslim you need to know everything is about Islam and deen, Allah SWT put us on this earth and warned us through the Quran about what life on this earth would be like and what we need to look out for.

If you have been tricked into secularism that is one thing, it is another to still be blind to the fact that everything that is happening is due to different groups closely held *religious* beliefs.

Yeah but idk how to help you here, I would advise taking time to research all of this as it seems you are stuck in the mainstream propaganda that most people have come out of.

That is like saying America is controlled by the copper lobby because they keep the penny around. The fact of the matter is the average American politician doesn’t care about Palestine, it’s not politically salient, it is like if I said to a Somali politician “If you vote for me invading Papua New Guinea I will give you 20 million dollars”, I don’t control anything, it’s just that no one in Somalia cares about papua and 20 million us a lot of money.

palestine can win by making it so that supporting Israel costs more than the lobby money

 

[Zak12]

What happened to him?

Hopefully taking a hiatus. Members like @Shimbiris also sometimes do the same

 

[_amiirad]

We should also consider allying with the Black American community, as it is primarily Black British people who spew hatred towards us and them.

 

[Idilinaa]

That is like saying America is controlled by the copper lobby because they keep the penny around. The fact of the matter is the average American politician doesn’t care about Palestine, it’s not politically salient, it is like if I said to a Somali politician “If you vote for me invading Papua New Guinea I will give you 20 million dollars”, I don’t control anything, it’s just that no one in Somalia cares about papua and 20 million us a lot of money.

palestine can win by making it so that supporting Israel costs more than the lobby money

To be fair the United States government have being continuously been accused of having been controlled/influenced by the Gun Lobby

And that allegation has a lot of merit to it, you see all the school shootings and the general gun related crimes and incidents in the country but American lawmakers failed each time of implementing effective gun control policy change to mediate it despite the fact that majority americans demand it.

So it's not farfetched to say that AIPAC has an influence on US foreing policy direction

 

[Zak12]

Also @Idilinaa few questions

1. What forms of revenue are available for FGS to use? Others have pointed out that Trump's administration will likely cut off or lower the amount of aid Somalia gets which is crucial for development and humanitarian needs. I thought about taxation which the government barely does but I'm doubting its ability to tax its citizens.

2. I noticed you labelled Kenya as an enemy so why is that? I understand that Kenya has done some unsavory things like the Shifta War and the maritime dispute but compared to Ethiopia or UAE, they are far more friendly otherwise. IIRC, you also hold Kenyans in good regard so why is Kenya an enemy?

 

[Burqad]

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To be fair the United States government have being continuously been accused of having been controlled/influenced by the Gun Lobby

And that allegation has a lot of merit to it, you see all the school shootings and the general gun related crimes and incidents in the country but American lawmakers failed each time of implementing effective gun control policy change to mediate it despite the fact that majority americans demand it.

So it's not farfetched to say that AIPAC has an influence on US foreing policy direction

The NRA has power over its specific area but not other areas, AIPEC has power over Israel but if the American state cares enough it doesn’t matter, they were against Obama’s Iran deal and George HW Bushes negotiating with Arafat but both presidents didn’t listen to them.

 

[Idilinaa]

Also @Idilinaa few questions

1. What forms of revenue are available for FGS to use? Others have pointed out that Trump's administration will likely cut off or lower the amount of aid Somalia gets which is crucial for development and humanitarian needs. I thought about taxation which the government barely does but how can it tax its citizens?

Last year 54% of their revenue comes Foreign Grants(basically aid), which was 354million USD

The rest are from Taxes , fees and costums which amount to 292 million and made up 45%. Most domestic revenue comes costums and trade which is basically them taxing the goods leaving and entering the country.

The other is from sales of public goods and services , basically they charge a fee for people using publicly available services this can be a variety of things like transportation, health care, utilities, licensing and permits , education, user fee from infrastructure, land sales, government run enterprises.

Sales, excise taxes which is basically government government taxing the sale/purchase of goods and taxing of products.

I think they make the least from from income, profit and capital gains taxes like 21 million of the total 292 million came from it and i am not sure how they collect this.

They actually don't need the foreign grants, it goes practically nowhere except into their pockets to keep them in place. And they can raise that amount of revenue and more domestically in a very short time but will most likely be held liable to Somalis and not to foreign actors if they did.

2. I noticed you labelled Kenya as an enemy so why is that? I understand that Kenya has done some unsavory things like the Shifta War and the maritime dispute but compared to Ethiopia or UAE, they are far more friendly otherwise. IIRC, you also hold Kenyans in good regard so why is the Kenya an enemy?

Anyone who is a destabilizing force and doesn't respect Somalis territorial integrity is an enemy.

It's not a judgement on Kenyans as a people, but their government policy direction and their position towards Somalia. They also have a longstanding defense pact with Ethiopia aimed against Somalia.

 

[Idilinaa]

Anyone who is a destabilizing force and doesn't respect Somalis territorial integrity is an enemy.

It's not a judgement on Kenyans as a people, but their government policy direction and their position towards Somalia. They also have a longstanding defense pact with Ethiopia aimed against Somalia.

Read this @Zak12

https://www.blackagendareport.com/kenya-committing-atrocities-somalia-us-backing

 

[Idilinaa]

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The NRA has power over its specific area but not other areas, AIPEC has power over Israel but if the American state cares enough it doesn’t matter, they were against Obama’s Iran deal and George HW Bushes negotiating with Arafat but both presidents didn’t listen to them.

Isn't it possible that the ties with Isreal just deepened more over the years and AIPAC influence have grown more?

I mean it's enough for them to ignore their humanitarian and human rights laws, let them break their red lines.

 

[Galool]

No, the zionist lobby controls everything in america, not just the government, but the ivy league schools, we saw an example of this the past year. They control hollywood, they control silicon valley, they control the banks the entire mainstream media, left and right, and they control the tech industry.

The zionist lobby is who chooses who becomes the US president, if the past year has not made this obvious to you, I really dont know what to say.

It is the zionist lobby that brought Trump back into power, there was a historical split between the zionist jews there were left leaning ones and right leaning more conservative ones, they have all now aligned behind the right leaning ones as the left has become less accepting of them, that is the base of regular people. Whilst the right is full of war hawks and evangelicals.

Since the zionists assassinated JFK who applied pressure on them, they have enjoyed complete power.

 

[Zak12]

Read this @Zak12

https://www.blackagendareport.com/kenya-committing-atrocities-somalia-us-backing

Wow I had no idea the Jubaland invasion was that bad. It almost looks like a 2006 situation all over again.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Idilinaa

Your sneaky and may even fool darods to support irir samaale allies like Eritrea, Egypt, Qatar, Turkey as their are all ikhwaans and all in hamar their local chapters. We remember Cairo Sal balaar days now they want irir balaar lol.

Its funny u attack and condemn any neutral Nation like UAE, Saudi, Ethio who has ties to most clans equally, you even condemn the west as darod community is largest there.

I see thru your games but u will fool many darods and they will serve as your horgal like @Abdisamad .

Very sneaky irir samaale clannists wearing the blue qaran talking as if its a somali wide interest. I mean you definitely fooled the sade clan as a whole.

 

[Zak12]

any neutral Nation like UAE, Saudi, Ethio

 

[DR OSMAN]

They are neutral working with all clans unlike Egypt, Qatar and Turkey and Eritrea. Come out Sal balaar boy, we know why abdiqasim salat is in egypt, we know why erdogan is in hamar only yet they convince ppl it's somali benefit. We know Qatar help only hamar also but sold as somali interest. We know why also their all ikhwaans and want a hawiye dominated Somalia.