Hur al ayn (men only)

[Kafir]

Dont put words in my mouth your the one who is assertung racism. I never denied those verses, indeed the believers will have nuur on their faces but this has nothing to do with race. A black pious believer will have his face shining while the white kaafir has a darkened face

What does this have to do with your original assertion?

Let's make this clear and simple.

Those who will go to heaven will have their faces turned white (skin colour). Those who are going to hell will have their faces turned black on the day of judgment.

Would you consider this racist?

 

[MahmÜd]

Let's make this clear and simple.

Those who will go to heaven will have their faces turned white (skin colour). Those who are going to hell will have their faces turned black on the day of judgment.

Would you consider this racist?

Is your skin colour really the colour black though?

 

[Kafir]

Is your skin colour really the colour black though?

I asked a simple question

 

[Yaquub]

Do you think if the Quran talked about those who will go to paradise will have their skin whitened and those who go to hell will have their skin darkened it would make Allah racist?

Is this your limit to how much you're willing to believe the Quran?

Don't derail my thread bro with your low self esteem dark skin issues. Yes the Arabs looked down on dark skin but they did not associate that with you or i they only associated it with those who were slaves and god can't exactly command man to not be racist since they will discriminate no matter what. Can someone get the mods on this guy!!

 

[MahmÜd]

I asked a simple question

How are you going to be offended by verses about the colour black when your skin isn't even black, just because colonial Whites called you black doesn't mean they're right

 

[Kafir]

How are you going to be offended by verses about the colour black when your skin isn't even black, just because colonial Whites called you black doesn't mean they're right

Is that a yes or a no?

 

[MahmÜd]

Is that a yes or a no?

It's a no because my skin isn't the same colour as my hair

 

[Yaquub]

I never said the Quran was racist (not yet at least). I told you what the Quran says will happen on the day of judgement. I used a tafsir from Ibn Kathir when telling you what that verse says.

You are the one who said that was racist.

According to you the idea of making those who go to paradise have white skin and those who go to hell have black skin is racist. Take a look at your response, it doesn't address the verse I'm talking about. Instead it talks about how Bilal shouldn't have been discriminated against because of his skin colour. A lovely story but completely irrelevant to my point.

You have to understand that when I present to you a Quranic verse that (according to even you) is racist, the response should be directly about that verse and how it isn't racist. Instead your response is "see how against racism Islam is in these other references!"

Are you AA or something because you self esteem is low and you seem to have this victim mentality.

 

[Kafir]

It's a no because my skin isn't the same colour as my hair

I see. Now what do we know about what colour Muhammad had in mind when these quotes came about from the hadiths.

From Ibn Hisham/Ishaq:

"I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!’ He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks"

"An Ethiopian woman is said to have come to Muhammad and said 'You Arabs, excel us [Blacks] in all, in build, colour, and in the possession of the Prophet. If I believe, will I be with you in Paradise? Muhammad replied, 'Yes, and in Paradise the whiteness of the Ethiopian will be seen over a stretch of a thousand years."

Sounds to me as if he had the same idea of black skin that we have today. It also sounds like these hadiths support the Ibn Kathir interpretation of the Quran.

 

[Kafir]

Are you AA or something because you self esteem is low and you seem to have this victim mentality.

How so? I pointed out something from Islam's holy books. Something that you seem unwilling to accept as is. Why is that? Is there a limit to your willingness to believe the Quran?

 

[MahmÜd]

I see. Now what do we know about what colour Muhammad had in mind when these quotes came about from the hadiths.

From Ibn Hisham/Ishaq:

"I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!’ He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks"

"An Ethiopian woman is said to have come to Muhammad and said 'You Arabs, excel us [Blacks] in all, in build, colour, and in the possession of the Prophet. If I believe, will I be with you in Paradise? Muhammad replied, 'Yes, and in Paradise the whiteness of the Ethiopian will be seen over a stretch of a thousand years."

Sounds to me as if he had the same idea of black skin that we have today. It also sounds like these hadiths support the Ibn Kathir interpretation of the Quran.

Fair point

 

[GeKo]

I read hour al ayn would have translucent radiant skin and you'd be able to even see their bones.
They're not white

 

[Yaquub]

I read hour al ayn would have translucent radiant skin and you'd be able to even see their bones.
They're not white

What will happen to the women of the world? I still like the variety in the beauty of the women we see here on earth.

 

[Deekhow]

Two things

1. People sent to paradise will not necessarily be turned into Caucasian white - it's referring to Noor. A radiating light will reflect from them.

2. People sent to Hell may darken from the ashes of burning fire. If Fire was red, does it mean Allah hates redheads

Lastly, the Hadith is about context. Black skin was considered unnatractive in ancient Arabia. It is directed at bedouins who may have had black maids to encourage them to look past the race and status of the women in their communities.

If Allah preferred White over Black, why didn't He choose a prophet from Ancient Rome, the epitome of white power? Why did He give victory to Black Muslims who conquered Andalusia?

MashaaAllah. You gave the best reply for anyone with capacity to understand. But the kuffars' hearts and minds are concealed from the haq ( truth)

 

[Mr.Haggis]

i want mermaids.

 

[landheer]

@Kafir stop this silly agenda Islam is staunchly against racism and you know it.

 

[Von]

Their Veil is worth more than the world and when they smile lightning strikes. if they were to look at the world, their noor would outshine the sun. Each man will have a minimum of two wives from the Hur al ayn. If you were to look at them you could see their bone marrow.
Surah Ar-rahman mentions them
6:40

Disgusting x-rated concept of heaven, how utterly depraved. Eternal erections even, you have got to be kidding me

one day in Paradise is a 1000 years on Earth so thats one woman every 10 paradise years so whats the problem?

 

[Hatredfree]

Two things

1. People sent to paradise will not necessarily be turned into Caucasian white - it's referring to Noor. A radiating light will reflect from them.

2. People sent to Hell may darken from the ashes of burning fire. If Fire was red, does it mean Allah hates redheads

Lastly, the Hadith is about context. Black skin was considered unnatractive in ancient Arabia. It is directed at bedouins who may have had black maids to encourage them to look past the race and status of the women in their communities.

If Allah preferred White over Black, why didn't He choose a prophet from Ancient Rome, the epitome of white power? Why did He give victory to Black Muslims who conquered Andalusia?

Well said!