I have respect for Ethiopia 2020

Positivity kulaha. Ethiopia literally said before the talks even begun that they would not change their stance :mjlol:

You have to take into consideration, the decades long negotiations. Egypt never wanted to acknowledge that Ethiopia has also the right to use the nile and always thought Ethiopia should get permission from Egypt first. When you come with this attitude then what you get is a defiant response. Remember, we don't need Egypt for the nile waters, it is Egypt that need us. But they acted like they are the boss of the water that is in another country. The delusion is very real. We had to show them who is the boss what is happening inside our country. They never ever tried the positive and friendly path though. They are too arrogant and need some humiliation badly. That is all what we gave them.
 

AbdiGeedi

To keep your balance, you must keep moving.
It is all about negotiation and business. We don't have to go the negative route like Egypt without even trying the positive and friendly route. The mentality in the horn is that you will get at the end more with friendly and positive path that with negativity. That will only back fire.
The reality is that the one who has power makes the decision. I don't believe even for a second that Ethiopia will not shaft Somalia. You are the occupational force in Somalia that doesn't do anything to help us solve our problems. You like the status quo where Somalia is weak and can be manipulated.

I read your replies lecturing the landers on how much Ethiopia has done for them and if they do not get back inline Ethiopia would make Somalia whole again and destroy SL. It made me think that Ethiopia is the one who is maintaining the Somali split.
 
The reality is that the one who has power makes the decision. I don't believe even for a second that Ethiopia will not shaft Somalia. You are the occupational force in Somalia that doesn't do anything to help us solve our problems. You like the status quo where Somalia is weak and can be manipulated.

I read your replies lecturing the landers on how much Ethiopia has done for them and if they do not get back inline Ethiopia would make Somalia whole again and destroy SL. It made me think that Ethiopia is the one who is maintaining the Somali split.

Not really, at first of course we wanted to divide Somalia that waged war against us. What do you expect? You have to think through all the consequences before making stupid decisions. Anyway, now PM Abiy really wants a united Somalia and by that he has angered SL. We can't force SL to unite with Somalia unless of course we see SL as a national threat for Ethiopia. If only Somalis stop threatening Ethiopia in every opportunity they get then we have no business in Somalia. Anyway Ethiopia has water and soon cheap electricity, and Somalia has ports. We can always do business with all what we have instead of fighting and hating each other.
 
Not really, at first of course we wanted to divide Somalia that waged war against us. What do you expect? You have to think through all the consequences before making stupid decisions. Anyway, now PM Abiy really wants a united Somalia and by that he has angered SL. We can't force SL to unite with Somalia unless of course we see SL as a national threat for Ethiopia. If only Somalis stop threatening Ethiopia in every opportunity they get then we have no business in Somalia. Anyway Ethiopia has water and soon cheap electricity, and Somalia has ports. We can always do business with all what we have instead of fighting and hating each other.
Somalia Doesn’t threaten you Ethiopia at all its to the contrary if you are still salty about 77 Egypt and Israel are allies despite fighting around the same time as Somalia and Ethiopia besides our land was unjustly stolen and annexed. Ethiopia doesn’t want Somalia to succeed because a strong somaliweyn is a xabeshas worst nightmare
 

AbdiGeedi

To keep your balance, you must keep moving.
Not really, at first of course we wanted to divide Somalia that waged war against us. What do you expect? You have to think through all the consequences before making stupid decisions. Anyway, now PM Abiy really wants a united Somalia and by that he has angered SL. We can't force SL to unite with Somalia unless of course we see SL as a national threat for Ethiopia. If only Somalis stop threatening Ethiopia in every opportunity they get then we have no business in Somalia. Anyway Ethiopia has water and soon cheap electricity, and Somalia has ports. We can always do business with all what we have instead of fighting and hating each other.
So, how would you force SL to unite with Somalia if it becomes a threat to Ethiopia? How would it be done?
 
Somalia Doesn’t threaten you Ethiopia at all its to the contrary if you are still salty about 77 Egypt and Israel are allies despite fighting around the same time as Somalia and Ethiopia besides our land was unjustly stolen and annexed. Ethiopia doesn’t want Somalia to succeed because a strong somaliweyn is a xabeshas worst nightmare

Can you tell me why a strong Somaliweyn is Ethiopia's worst nightmare?
 
You have to take into consideration, the decades long negotiations. Egypt never wanted to acknowledge that Ethiopia has also the right to use the nile and always thought Ethiopia should get permission from Egypt first. When you come with this attitude then what you get is a defiant response. Remember, we don't need Egypt for the nile waters, it is Egypt that need us. But they acted like they are the boss of the water that is in another country. The delusion is very real. We had to show them who is the boss what is happening inside our country. They never ever tried the positive and friendly path though. They are too arrogant and need some humiliation badly. That is all what we gave them.

You speak with a forked tongue.

Ethiopia will definitely use control of water flows into Somalia as a way to gain free access to our ports.

For that reason, I hope that Egypt takes the dam out. Directly or indirectly. Either that or the breakup of Ethiopia due to constant ethnic strifes. Now wouldnt that be ironic considering Ethiopia's support for the treacherous secessionists?

Somalia will never thrive for as long as we have a strong Ethiopia next door as at it heart, Ethiopia is an imperialist project. A landlocked one at that.

As much as I dislike the Egyptians, I do so hope that the dam can act as a catalyst for Ethiopia's break up.
 
I don't want to hate Ethiopia, if only they didn't occupy Somali territory things would be good in the horn. But it wasn't meant to be. Now we are eternal enemies.
 
So, how would you force SL to unite with Somalia if it becomes a threat to Ethiopia? How would it be done?

I don't want to threaten our long time friends but if they become a threat by trying to give a military base to Egypt, then our army has no other option but to march to Hargesa and end the SL project altogether and let SL be administered from Mogadishu (of course getting a letter of permission from Mogadishu first :ftw9nwa: )
 
Largest coastline in Africa 1/3 of the worlds uranium supply large natural gas in galbeed oil in ssc if it’s resources are fully used to their full extent Somalia would surpass Ethiopia
You still don't answer my question. How is that a threat to Ethiopia? Currently Kenya our neighbour has I think a little bigger GDP than us. Why is that a threat to Ethiopia?
 
You still don't answer my question. How is that a threat to Ethiopia? Currently Kenya our neighbour has I think a little bigger GDP than us. Why is that a threat to Ethiopia?
Of course it’s a threat to Ethiopia Somalia for the very reasons I listed when you violate a neighbor for too long and they become strong they won’t be your friend
 
You speak with a forked tongue.

Ethiopia will definitely use control of water flows into Somalia as a way to gain free access to our ports.

For that reason, I hope that Egypt takes the dam out. Directly or indirectly. Either that or the breakup of Ethiopia due to constant ethnic strifes. Now wouldnt that be ironic considering Ethiopia's support for the treacherous secessionists?

Somalia will never thrive for as long as we have a strong Ethiopia next door as at it heart, Ethiopia is an imperialist project. A landlocked one at that.

As much as I dislike the Egyptians, I do so hope that the dam can act as a catalyst for Ethiopia's break up.

Ok, I think you are confusing national interest with holiness. Of course we will use all our resources to get the maximum deal. Every country does as well. What do you expect. We ain't saints. Somalia have ports and in future also oil, it can also use its resources to get the maximum deal. That is how business works.

Blaming Ethiopia for the failure of Somalia is very easy but it will not bring you much. How about looking at the mirror and show that you can run a government that is focusing its resources in developing the country. Show the world. SL for example has shown that they can run a stable and a functioning country even with few resources.
 
Of course it’s a threat to Ethiopia Somalia for the very reasons I listed when you violate a neighbor for too long and they become strong they won’t be your friend
You are still threatening. All you guys who are for a strong united Somalia seem only have one goal. Declaring war on Ethiopia and we see that through. A united and strong Somalia that is a competitive business partner in the region is a big plus and we welcome that but a delusional country that only aims to wage j!had on us, we say thank you no thank you.
 
You are still threatening. All you guys who are for a strong united Somalia seem only have one goal. Declaring war on Ethiopia and we see that through. A united and strong Somalia that is a competitive business partner in the region is a big plus and we welcome that but a delusional country that only aims to wage j!had on us, we say thank you no thank you.
Tolow mahay ku siyaan? Waa yaab eh :damedamn:
 
You are still threatening. All you guys who are for a strong united Somalia seem only have one goal. Declaring war on Ethiopia and we see that through. A united and strong Somalia that is a competitive business partner in the region is a big plus and we welcome that but a delusional country that only aims to wage j!had on us, we say thank you no thank you.

You are a delusional woman, just like the rest of your people. Somalis couldnt care less about Ethiopia or ethiopians had it not been your british masters giving Ogadenia to you. You have no idea, other than Ogadenia, how irrelevant you people are to us. And if we wage war its because of Ogadenia. Dumb aids ridden Ethiopian prostitute.
 
You are a delusional woman, just like the rest of your people. Somalis couldnt care less about Ethiopia or ethiopians had it not been your british masters giving Ogadenia to you. You have no idea, other than Ogadenia, how irrelevant you people are to us. And if we wage war its because of Ogadenia. Dumb aids ridden Ethiopian prostitute.

Somalis in Ethiopia are fine now under PM Abiy and if they want independence they can now fight for it peacefully. Why do you guys in Somalia destroy your country in vain? There are so many disputes all over the world but no one is that stupid to destroy its own country until the dispute is resolved. What kind of logic is that? Whether the Ogaden dispute is resolved or not, don't start a war or threaten to use force instead try diplomatic and economic means. War and threatening to use force only destroys your country. While you hope to gain more land you end up losing even that what you have. How is that hard to see?
 
Ok, I think you are confusing national interest with holiness. Of course we will use all our resources to get the maximum deal. Every country does as well. What do you expect. We ain't saints. Somalia have ports and in future also oil, it can also use its resources to get the maximum deal. That is how business works.

Blaming Ethiopia for the failure of Somalia is very easy but it will not bring you much. How about looking at the mirror and show that you can run a government that is focusing its resources in developing the country. Show the world. SL for example has shown that they can run a stable and a functioning country even with few resources.

Your amateur PR spin is laughable. This whole spiel about ' its for the good of the Horn' may work with other gullible Africans but Somalis are too familiar with Ehiopians.

Somalis don't need a lecture about development from dirt poor Ethiopia. I mean, Ethiopians boast about never have been colonised and yet their country is still a third world *%#& hole. Dubbed the brothel of Africa.

I mean, these same people are flocking to Somalia in desperation.

What happened Mr Development? What is the excuse for this abject failure?

The writing is on the wall for Ethiopia. This dam was supposed to be band aid to stem the ethnic divisions. A way of drumming up nationalist/patriotic support and uniting the country. However, the divisions and mistrust are too deep. The old Christian powers that have protected Ethiopia are in retreat and America is looking inward.

The flare ups that we have witnessed over the last few years are becoming more frequent. It won't be long before these turn into full on uprisings. Soon, installing a new PM puppet to placate the hordes won't work anymore.

The future does indeed look promising.
 
Somalis in Ethiopia are fine now under PM Abiy and if they want independence they can now fight for it peacefully. Why do you guys in Somalia destroy your country in vain? There are so many disputes all over the world but no one is that stupid to destroy its own country until the dispute is resolved. What kind of logic is that? Whether the Ogaden dispute is resolved or not, don't start a war or threaten to use force instead try diplomatic and economic means. War and threatening to use force only destroys your country. While you hope to gain more land you end up losing even that what you have. How is that hard to see?

You do not get to tell us how we will free Ogadenia, if we see the only way to get that land back is through war, than THAT IS EXACTLY what we will give you. Your people are stupdid for murdering and displacing their own as we speak by the hundreds and thousands so you have no mouth to question or call us stupid, dumb beggar.
 
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