I think I know where Somalis come from, and I have some good evidence.

[Aurelian]

Cuz somalis never kept nor write it history and identity also language and culture even somalis don't have Somali calender

Actually there is a Somali calendar, but not in use.

The Somali calendar (Somali: Soomaali tiro ammin) is based on both the solar and lunar calendar systems. The Somali solar calendar is known as Amin-tiris or Shin-tiris while the lunar calendar was known as Dayax-tiris.

Structure
Besides the weekly cycle, there are four other major cycles in the system: the 50-day cycle, which is 7 weeks + 1 day; the yearly cycle which is 7 x 50 days plus 15 days; the seven-year cycle which is 7 x 365 or 2,555 days long; and the 49-year cycle which is 7 x 7 years in length. All these time units share the number of seven or weekly cycle. Every unit is named after its first day, which is also the last day of yearly and 50-day cycles.

For further reads >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_calendar

 

[Sloane Ranger]

@Ebuo I didn't know that we had different names for days of the week :

 

[Aurelian]

@Ebuo I didn't know that we had different names for days of the week :

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there are other names as well, but yeah no problem

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Actually there is a Somali calendar, but not in use.

The Somali calendar (Somali: Soomaali tiro ammin) is based on both the solar and lunar calendar systems. The Somali solar calendar is known as Amin-tiris or Shin-tiris while the lunar calendar was known as Dayax-tiris.

Structure
Besides the weekly cycle, there are four other major cycles in the system: the 50-day cycle, which is 7 weeks + 1 day; the yearly cycle which is 7 x 50 days plus 15 days; the seven-year cycle which is 7 x 365 or 2,555 days long; and the 49-year cycle which is 7 x 7 years in length. All these time units share the number of seven or weekly cycle. Every unit is named after its first day, which is also the last day of yearly and 50-day cycles.

For further reads >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_calendar

Ok this is weird if it exist why Somalis aren't using same goes for days

 

[Aurelian]

Ok this is weird if it exist why Somalis aren't using same goes for days

It's like the word, Qalbi and Wadno

 

[TheManWhoIsAlive]

why do we have history and idenitify issues when it comes to somalis? how come there is so many hypothesis as to how somalis come about, why is that? what do scientists and actual historians say

Oral traditions and a lack of written records make that difficult. Hence my theory. I tried to remove a lot of the fluff you'd hear. Like the Arab background story, or the Ancient Egyptian one.

Essentially, I tried to simple collect all the known facts and form the simplest conclusion possible.

 

[KingSomali999]

Oral traditions and a lack of written records make that difficult. Hence my theory. I tried to remove a lot of the fluff you'd hear. Like the Arab background story, or the Ancient Egyptian one.

Essentially, I tried to simple collect all the known facts and form the simplest conclusion possible.

bro im still so confused. i hear so many theories. how come other blacks know their history apart from african americans. A lot of somalis say we are mixed with arabs but weren’t we here before them?

 

[TheManWhoIsAlive]

bro im still so confused. i hear so many theories. how come other blacks know their history apart from african americans. A lot of somalis say we are mixed with arabs but weren’t we here before them?

I'm talking about ancient history. Or anthropological ethnology. No one really has answers that are definite for anyone. This is a relatively new study. A lot of the genetic information is new. Geographical changes from Earth are also new. Finally, archeological studies in Africa, besides perhaps Egypt are relatively new.

Most don't know. They think they know, but they don't. I gave a theory. Many others will. More facts that come up in the future, the better the theories will be. Then we'll have the "correct" answer.

It's that simple.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

bro im still so confused. i hear so many theories. how come other blacks know their history apart from african americans. A lot of somalis say we are mixed with arabs but weren’t we here before them?

There is no such thing as black. It's social construct. Black Nilo

bro im still so confused. i hear so many theories. how come other blacks know their history apart from african americans. A lot of somalis say we are mixed with arabs but weren’t we here before them?

Basically we Somali are ancient Palestinians that mixed with Nilotic people thousands of years ago. Because we were isolated for so long we developed our unique gene pool. Now looks that's genetic plus environment so skin colour is not race. Are hair texture. Basically we are ancient Palestinians and south Sudanese.

 

[Tewahedo]

makes sense :

" A single prehistoric migration of both the Maghrebi and the Ethio-Somali back into Africa is the most parsimonious hypothesis. That is, a common ancestral population migrated into northeast Africa through the Sinai and then split into two, with one branch continuing west across North Africa and the other heading south into the HOA. For the Ethio-Somali, the lowest FST value from the ADMIXTURE estimated ancestral allele frequencies is with the Maghrebi (Text S1), which is consistent with a common origin hypothesis. In contrast, the Maghrebi component has lower FST values with Arabian, European, and Eurasian ancestral populations than with the Ethio-Somali, which suggests that the Maghrebi diverged most recently from those populations, and might indicate separate back-to-Africa migrations for the Ethio-Somali and the Maghrebi. "

Early Back-to-Africa Migration into the Horn of Africa

Author Summary The Horn of Africa (HOA) occupies a central place in our understanding of modern human origins. This region is the location of the earliest known modern human fossils, a possible source for the out-of-Africa migration, and one of the most genetically and linguistically diverse...

journals.plos.org

 

[menowaawaa]

There is no such thing as black. It's social construct. Black Nilo
Basically we Somali are ancient Palestinians that mixed with Nilotic people thousands of years ago. Because we were isolated for so long we developed our unique gene pool. Now looks that's genetic plus environment so skin colour is not race. Are hair texture. Basically we are ancient Palestinians and south Sudanese.

I think we have some ancient admixture solely due to the fact we have so much diversity in looks. no pure ethnicity can have the skin color and hair texture differences we have. either that or we are the original humans

 

[Viscount]

I think Somalis come from some region in North Africa, 5000 years ago. Before y'all get mad at this view, read the entire post. It'll make sense. This ain't an anti-Black argument and shit. I only give a fk about the truth.

Hypothesis: Somalis were pastoralists from North Africa who migrated downward to the Horn of Africa, due to the desertification of the Sahara.

Below is my evidence, which will be based on science, not fairytales. My arguments will be broken down into genetics, linguistics, geography, and lifestyle.

First, I'll lay down the factual data, and then present my argument.

1. Genetics

Roughly 77% of Somali men have E3B. Particularly E-V32. This is also called E1b1b1a1a1b. If you wanna go back, simply find the ancestors.

E -> E1 -> E1b -> E1b1 -> E1b1b -> E1b1b1 -> E1b1b1a -> E1b1b1a1 -> E1b1b1a1a -> E1b1b1a1a1 -> E1b1b1a1a1b (Somalis).

Haplogroup E-V68 (E1b1b1a) is a direct ancestor. Then out of their descendants, M78

Finding the origin as definitive is difficult. However all the evidence seems to point to North Africa.

References:
1. https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/24/6/1300/984002 (page 6)
Here's the wiki page on the Haplogroup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68

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Notice how it says the lineage was probably introduced into the Somali population 4000-5000 years ago. Remember this. It'll make the point below make a lot more sense.

2. Geography

African humid period - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What is now known as the Sahara Desert, wasn't a desert a mere 5000-6000 years ago, but a grassland, well suited for pastoralism.

Rock art in the region depicted things that cannot live in a desert. Giraffes, hippos, crocodiles, fish and turtles.

There were lakes and rivers during that time as well.

Due to planetary movements, the Sahara went through desertification. As nomadic pastoralists, what would be the logical thing to do when the grazing land is diminishing? You'd leave the region for better grasslands.

Here's a video that explains the event better:


3. Lifestyle

The Horn of Africa also got dry in the end of this period as well. And evidence for further migration south along the East African Rift Valley is seen in the Savanna Pastoral Neolithic. This is based on a general era known as the Pastoral Neolithic in Africa.

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This already shows that Cushitic people existed in East Africa before Bantu populations. However with the Bantu, came metallurgy and agriculture, so their arrival wasn't a bad thing. They just came afterwards.

Savanna Pastoral Neolithic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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More and more evidence shows movement of Afroasiatic speaking pastoralists moving from the North to the Southern regions of Africa.

The Iraqw are an ethnic group that act as remnants of the Savanna Pastoral Neolithic.

Iraqw people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

4. Linguistics

Somali is an afroasiatic language.

Afroasiatic languages - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Afroasiatic languages are more common in the Horn of Africa, The Sahel region of Africa, North Africa, and the Middle East.

The original inhabitants of East Africa and Central and South Africa, were the Nilotic and Khoi-San people. They don't share this language family.

Swahili, in East Africa is a Niger-Congo (particularly Bantu) language, and doesn't have a connection to the South Cushitic languages.



Based on the facts above, my position on the origin of the Somalis is as follows:

5000 years ago, Proto-Somalis migrated from North Africa, following the end of the African Humid Period. The desertification of the Sahara, resulted in a migration to move south. As desertification also impacted the Horn of Africa, there was no incentive for Somalis to use agriculture (except the south, where the two rivers flow). As such, pastoralism was preferred. As the population formed in the Horn, Somali as a language must have been developed over the thousands of years. As Nomadic Pastoral societies are more tight-knit and familial, homogeneity became the norm. As groups splintered off, different clans began to form. And as a collective, the Somali people were born.

Let me know what you think.

I'm offended by this post why are you excluding the T1a Brotherhood, we are the true Africans.
T supremacists unite, we shall not be excluded.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

makes sense :

" A single prehistoric migration of both the Maghrebi and the Ethio-Somali back into Africa is the most parsimonious hypothesis. That is, a common ancestral population migrated into northeast Africa through the Sinai and then split into two, with one branch continuing west across North Africa and the other heading south into the HOA. For the Ethio-Somali, the lowest FST value from the ADMIXTURE estimated ancestral allele frequencies is with the Maghrebi (Text S1), which is consistent with a common origin hypothesis. In contrast, the Maghrebi component has lower FST values with Arabian, European, and Eurasian ancestral populations than with the Ethio-Somali, which suggests that the Maghrebi diverged most recently from those populations, and might indicate separate back-to-Africa migrations for the Ethio-Somali and the Maghrebi. "

Early Back-to-Africa Migration into the Horn of Africa

Author Summary The Horn of Africa (HOA) occupies a central place in our understanding of modern human origins. This region is the location of the earliest known modern human fossils, a possible source for the out-of-Africa migration, and one of the most genetically and linguistically diverse...

journals.plos.org

Is our Cushite West Eurasian ancestry closer to the Maghrebi/North African or Middle-Eastern components?

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

Is our Cushite West Eurasian ancestry closer to the Maghrebi/North African or Middle-Eastern components?

We are ancient Palestinian. I forget name sardinians they had name. Also we are Nilotic. But I think ee mixed with nilote we were afroadtic family. We are not from gulf or North Africa. Ancient Palestinian than we mixed with nile inhabitants.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

I'm offended by this post why are you excluding the T1a Brotherhood, we are the true Africans.
T supremacists unite, we shall not be excluded.

Go back to Asyria. This is Horn history.

 

[Viscount]

Go back to Asyria. This is Horn history.

go back to Egypt we wuz kangz.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

Guysore z somali need to do DNA dante labs it's the best £150 black Friday's whole Genome sequencing plus TMRC

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

go back to Egypt we wuz kangz.

When did sure move to gobolada dexe or Galmudug?

 

[Tewahedo]

Is our Cushite West Eurasian ancestry closer to the Maghrebi/North African or Middle-Eastern components?

Middle eastern if I remember correctly (natufian-like)

 

[TheManWhoIsAlive]

I'm offended by this post why are you excluding the T1a Brotherhood, we are the true Africans.
T supremacists unite, we shall not be excluded.

Don't got info on T that's why.