ICJ judgement In Somali v Kenya maritime 'border' case

[waraabe]

The Kenyan government already made deals with china concerning the gas in that area, and china provided the Kenyan army 's clothes, plus setting deals with Ethiopia about Ogaden gas. China also will build base in Djibouti to monitor her interest in the horn. My interest lies with the Americans not china.

Your interest should lie with what the best for Somalia i believe Somalia should try and bring closer ties with China since China actually acts

 

[Inquisitive_]

Really?

What's their reason against going to court?

The Kenyan troops were protecting them in Jubaland, much like HSM is protected by Amisom, both can't go to the toilet without them.

Hence the Ugandian's set the agenda for HSM as they lead Amisom in Xamar, as for Madoobe the Kenyan Kikuyu troops set the agenda, how can you speak out against your masters regarding MOU when they assisting you to the toilet?

Al-shabaab patsies were after him, as were a seething Marexaan contingent that wanted revenge, the only solace at that time was Kikuyu, hence they got all the Jubaland MP's including the leader to speak out against HSM when he was taking the Kenyan's to court.

CC is traitor also and should be hanged but sharif sheikh and HSM are Kenyan citizens and conflicts of interest here. I so sorry if I hurt your feelings but I can not handle it anymore.

Don't worry you don't hurt no feelings, I just want to redirect your patriotic feelings in the right directions and not let anything else cloud your vision.

I despise HSM without a doubt, but he is responsible for taking the Kikuyu to court over this NO ONE ELSE, we can speculate whether he did it for patriotic reason or because of money, but without him, there wouldn't be a court case.

Sheikh Shariif during his tenure was just an honest man played around by Faroole, he had nothing to do with this MOU, you would never know about Farmaajo, Tarzan or the many other professionals if he didn't appoint them, he had a policy of appointing just professional knowledgeable people because that was his unprecedented policy unlike any other leader before him or this current buffoon whom only appoints corrupt clan officials much C/Yusuf did.

Case in point the Kenyan's were against Sheikh Shariif as was Ethiopia, and they still are today, that's why Sheikh Shariif is in Uganda all the time not Nairobi. Kenya is backing CC in this presidential race and Ethiopia is backing HSM, HSM is a public enemy because of this case and Ethiopia supports him on that.

The Amisom Kenyan/Ethiopia contingent do not see eye to eye with Uganda and the rest of the Amisom contingent guided by Uganda whom are backing Sheikh Shariif in this race.

If there was some sort of conspiracy due to some citizenship believe me, I would be the first to latch on it, but the facts on the ground don't support this view.

 

[waraabe]

I think no one should touch that area until a responsible Somali government gets to power. Otherwise, what's the difference between Somali politicians robbing our natural resources and kenyan politicians looting it?

True but china builds infrastructure and development that can actually be seen on the ground rather than empty words

 

[Canuck]

The Kenyan troops were protecting them in Jubaland, much like HSM is protected by Amisom, both can't go to the toilet without them.

Hence the Ugandian's set the agenda for HSM as they lead Amisom in Xamar, as for Madoobe the Kenyan Kikuyu troops set the agenda, how can you speak out against your masters regarding MOU when they assisting you to the toilet?

Al-shabaab patsies were after him, as were a seething Marexaan contingent that wanted revenge, the only solace at that time was Kikuyu, hence they got all the Jubaland MP's including the leader to speak out against HSM when he was taking the Kenyan's to court.




Don't worry you don't hurt no feelings, I just want to redirect your patriotic feelings in the right directions and not let anything else cloud your vision.

I despise HSM without a doubt, but he is responsible for taking the Kikuyu to court over this NO ONE ELSE, we can speculate whether he did it for patriotic reason or because of money, but without him, there wouldn't be a court case.

Sheikh Shariif during his tenure was just an honest man played around by Faroole, he had nothing to do with this MOU, you would never know about Farmaajo, Tarzan or the many other professionals if he didn't appoint them, he had a policy of appointing just professional knowledgeable people because that was his unprecedented policy unlike any other leader before him or this current buffoon whom only appoints corrupt clan officials much C/Yusuf did.

Case in point the Kenyan's were against Sheikh Shariif as was Ethiopia, and they still are today, that's why Sheikh Shariif is in Uganda all the time not Nairobi. Kenya is backing CC in this presidential race and Ethiopia is backing HSM, HSM is a public enemy because of this case and Ethiopia supports him on that.

The Amisom Kenyan/Ethiopia contingent do not see eye to eye with Uganda and the rest of the Amisom contingent guided by Uganda whom are backing Sheikh Shariif in this race.

If there was some sort of conspiracy due to some citizenship believe me, I would be the first to latch on it, but the facts on the ground don't support this view.

Tarzan is very good man and respect him better than sharif sheikh (has black history since his old days in Sudan, the man was agent and ran away from ICU battle in Mogadishu to American embassy in Kenya by helicopter and as reward he became the president later) we should learn from our mistakes. This man should be hung with CC and the rest.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

LOOOL at Hawiye blaming CCC for this! The only person who we know was responsible for this is Abdirahman Abdishakur whom I am certain was paid to do this. No Darood leaders supported going to1 arbitration with Kenya over Darood maritime territories, what a total lie. The truth is that Abdishakur is a Hawiye who used his cabinet position to sell the maritime territory of his enemy, namly the Darood, to Kenya. The fact that Darood have not tribalized this issue is a testemant to the complete collapse of our political power at the federal level. A Hawiye man basically put our future resources at risk and we did not even threaten the Hawiye with any violent response, what a display of utter weakness.

 

[waraabe]

Don't turn it to a qabiil issue people

 

[Prince Abubu]

Sijui Monkeys siding with their bantu masters.

 

[Abdalla]

somaLia

Kenya wanted to solve this problem on a bilateral level, whereas Somalia wanted to annul the MoU. Both lost, the court ruled that the MoU is binding, however the case will continue under another court. Kenya and Somalia lost, caucasians won.

 

[Rooble]

A spineless state they won't even jail the people involved, but let them run to become presidents.

 

[Prince Abubu]

A spineless state they won't even jail the people involved, but let them run to become presidents.

Let's be honest. There is no "state". The entire country consists of starving nomads and corrupt politicians always running for some government position. I doubt the average man or woman back home even knows there is a fierce border dispute going on.

 

[Rooble]

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[Sixth]

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[Adheer Warsame]

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you fukin legend

 

[Lord Flacko]

LOOOL at Hawiye blaming CCC for this! The only person who we know was responsible for this is Abdirahman Abdishakur whom I am certain was paid to do this. No Darood leaders supported going to1 arbitration with Kenya over Darood maritime territories, what a total lie. The truth is that Abdishakur is a Hawiye who used his cabinet position to sell the maritime territory of his enemy, namly the Darood, to Kenya. The fact that Darood have not tribalized this issue is a testemant to the complete collapse of our political power at the federal level. A Hawiye man basically put our future resources at risk and we did not even threaten the Hawiye with any violent response, what a display of utter weakness.

During his tenure as President of the Transitional Federal Government in 2009, Somalia’s Planning Minister has signed controversial MoU with Kenya to settle maritime boundary dispute, approved by then Prime Minister Omar Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke and the Council of Ministers but later was rejected by Federal Parliament.

In a press conference held in the capital Mogadishu, Ahmed responded to questions on his role in the signed agreement, he said that he wasn’t involved in the agreement between the two countries.

“The Prime Minister and Planning Minister both gave their clarification, as for me i have not seen or witnessed the signing of the agreement,” said Ahmed.

Ahmed who is a presidential candidate, has dismissed the accusation that he approved the signing of the agreement and said that Prime Minister and Planning Minister should be asked for any inquiry in relation to the agreement.

Somali politicians have issued contradictory positions. fomer Prime Minister Omar Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke, submitted two contradictory letters – one defending the MOU with Kenya and the other supporting the Somali parliament’s rejection of the deal. First, Sharmarke contested the maritime zone claims indicated in the maps submitted by Kenya to the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) but still accepted the CLCS to make recommendations on the limitation of the Somalia and Kenya’s outer continental shelf. Prime Minister Sharmarke changed his position within two months and submitted another letter notifying the UN Secretary General of the rejection of the MOU by the Somali parliament, reiterating that the MOU was non-actionable.

Prof. Ibbi fought very had so that the MOU would go forward. In doing so he wrote a letter* to Ban Ki Moon on August 19, 2009 supporting the MOU – it was after the Somali parliament rejected the same MOU (and voted down on August 1, 2009).

What is serious about that letter was: it was signed by him, Prof. Ibbi, but is says it was written by TFG Prime Minister Omer Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke

lol ok

im for hanging them all

 

[waraabe]

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[maestro]

Sijui Monkeys siding with their bantu masters.

Always hated sujus. Yet these spineless motherfuckers will cry somali when the Bantus are pushing them into concentration camps.

Guess who they're gonna take their anger out on if they lose the case? fuckin xoolo

 

[Inquisitive_]

The Kenyan's pretty much lost this, this will drag in court for years and no multinational company will sign any deals knowing there is a dispute, shareholders hate risks and will not invest a dime.

However what needs to be kept in mind here is that even if they end up ruling in Somalia's favour, it can't enforce anything, Kenya can technically still take over by force, but I fail to see them having the technical know how or expertise to take out the resources themselves, so their naval supremacy over us is just fruitless.

If history serves as any reminder, there is no way they will be capable of acquiring the technology themselves independently with their shocking levels of corruption and poverty coupled with not really having much vision, there is nothing really to worry about here.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

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lol ok

im for hanging them all

Ibbi is not Darood, and I have already read what you are citing. Everything he is saying is hearsay, there is no proof to back any of it up. Abdirahman Abdishakur signed the MOU and that is all that matters. A Hawiye attempted to give Kenya a claim on territory and resources that belong to Darood, a clear act of hostility.

 

[Canuck]

Let's be honest. There is no "state". The entire country consists of starving nomads and corrupt politicians always running for some government position. I doubt the average man or woman back home even knows there is a fierce border dispute going on.

They know everything in back home(TV, radio, BBC Somali satellite dishes in cafes) reer Mogadishu don't care. They did not care for river shabelle driness, rape of amisom, running over them, selling of girls to Saudi. Simply they don't care or protest against it, but even defend and encourage the leaders.

 

[Lord Flacko]

This whole thing seems like a conspiracy by CCC, his deputy PM and Ibbi

Straight from the International Court of Justice themselves (Preliminary Objections by Kenya). No need to give me any hearsay shit

Ok so before the document was signed, Norway, who were invested in this deal because of Oil deals with Kenya, came and spoke with CCC and Deputy PM Ibbi themselves. This is when they were drafting the deal. So we know CCC is in on it.

Ok so CCC and Deputy PM Ibbi were supposed to sign the deal, but couldnt make it. They then tell Kenyan officials that Abdirahman Abdishakur , who was in Nairobi at the time and hasn't been involved in drafting the deal, that he would receive the power to authorize the deal. Again, not hearsay bullshit because Kenya has shown receipts as this was a part of the court case.

Continuing to confirm everything I've said, also shows Sh. Shariff as a co-conspirator.

Here Abdirahman Abdishakur basically reiterates what Kenya and Norway has been saying. CCC called him to sign it, saying there was a deadline to meet. This correctly adds up.

@Thegoodshepherd
Abdishakur, while not completely innocent, was a pawn by the PM and Sheik Sharif. You want to kill of the pawn and keep the others? @ceyrbenderlivesmatter






You should be happy that a Hawiye is the one who fought and saved your shore instead of trying to blame us.