If you had to explain why Somalis in the West are performing poorly statistically, what would you say?

[zeilaprime]

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[Idilinaa]

It's not just Lambeth. The stats i showed above it was for Somalis in London schools in general which includes Camden and Tower Hamlet.

Between 2007 and 2013 Somalis were already outperforming white british pupils.

Between 2013-2015 they were outperforming the national average

You can also see this as a trend for Somalis in different parts of the UK outside of London, that they are just outperforming other groups.

Success Starts in the Classroom for Somalis in Leicester​

Speaking the Language of Success

One of the largest Somali communities in the UK finds that early investments in education, such as bilingual teachers and active parental involvement, are paying off.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org

When you make replies to my posts and is completely uninterested in the major improvements Somalis have made all you do is expose yourselves. And the motives behind these threads yall rinse.




This is true, Somalis and other east Africans who speak their mother tongue at home are outpeforming English speaking natives in Seattle for example.

It shows that dual-lingualism is not a significant educational barrier.

Higher Ground Academy compared to the state average:

Math
Reading
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Ubah Medical Academy compared to the state average:
Math
Reading
Science

Besides showing intelligence(IQ), language proficiency these stats where they outperform the national average and local communties are only possible if Somalis are disciplined and committed in their studies but also focus on long term progressive improvements that values education.

I tried finding stats on Somalis in Scandinavia, it doesn't seem like they keep schools stats based on ethnicity and break it down.

So all we have is figures from this one school because student body is made up mostly of Somalis.

More than 90% of students at the best school in Swedish capital are of Somali origin​

More than 90% of students at the best school in Swedish capital are of Somali origin

Kista International School has been named the second best school in Sweden, while in the Swedish capital it ranked first. This would not be surprising if it were not for the fact that almost all of its students (94%) are of Somali descent and only one out of 540 of all students speaks Swedish as...

salamlab.pl

 

[AppleBoat398]

It's not just Lambeth. The stats i showed above it was for Somalis in London schools in general which includes Camden and Tower Hamlet.

Between 2007 and 2013 Somalis were already outperforming white british pupils.

Between 2013-2015 they were outperforming the national average

You can also see this as a trend for Somalis in different parts of the UK outside of London, that they are just outperforming other groups.

Success Starts in the Classroom for Somalis in Leicester​

Speaking the Language of Success

One of the largest Somali communities in the UK finds that early investments in education, such as bilingual teachers and active parental involvement, are paying off.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org

When you make replies to my posts and is completely uninterested in the major improvements Somalis have made all you do is expose yourselves. And the motives behind these threads yall rinse.




This is true, Somalis and other east Africans who speak their mother tongue at home are outpeforming English speaking natives in Seattle for example.

It shows that dual-lingualism is not a significant educational barrier.

The white british pupils are top 3 worst performing groups when it comes to GCSE. Read the statistic that you just posted. 58% of somali pupils got 5 gcses at A* - C compared to the NATIONAL AVERAGE OF 83%. This shows that they significantly underperformed. You keep proving my point.

 

[Idilinaa]

The white british pupils are top 3 worst performing groups when it comes to GCSE. Read the statistic that you just posted. 58% of somali pupils got 5 gcses at A* - C compared to the NATIONAL AVERAGE OF 83%. This shows that they significantly underperformed. You keep proving my point.

If Somalis are outperforming native Brits between 2007-2013 then they are not the worst performing and are actually perfoming excidingly great. The White British are among 5-4th best performing group.

By 2015 they were outperforming the national average at 92% and 78% and 55%

Between 2015-2018 they are outperforming all groups. You can see the progressive increase

 

[_Yusuf_]

Yes, that's true but you have to decide to think in English when your doing school work.

The human brain doesn't think in words. Do you have a inner monologue? It's instant then you have to find the words to articulate yourself. That will be a problem as long as the kid has no vocabulary range.

 

[EyiPunter]

The human brain doesn't think in words. Do you have a inner monologue? It's instant then you have to find the words to articulate yourself. That will be a problem as long as the kid has no vocabulary range.

Yes, Sxb my inner monologue never stops. We even argue but it's always right. I person perceive its advice that is passed down from a future me that guiding me on a path. We have became good friends

 

[_Yusuf_]

Yes, Sxb my inner monologue never stop. We even argue but it's always right. I person perceive its advice that is passed down from a future me that guiding me on a path. We have became good friends

I wanted to edit that. Yea that's not the best example however most thinking is not monologue because it is typical instant. Like a Eureka moment it all comes through at once. That cause the brain is neurons and electricity.

 

[Barwaaqoforsomalia]

I think it’s because we are new to these countries and we are just starting to figure things out. Not only that, many of the diaspora are still young people and our parents are trying their best to work with what they have currently got.

 

[Farsi]

why the qashin @Qeelbax

 

[Qeelbax]

why the qashin @Qeelbax

What do you want from the deen?

 

[Farsi]

What do you want from the deen?

Deen clashes with daily life in the West. Riba is used everywhere, whether you like it or not. If you want a mortgage, it has riba; if you want student loans, it has riba. Parents send their children to Africa to avoid gay indoctrination in public schools, and they return from there after four years knowing bat-shit and wasted a good amount of their teenage years. You can't live in the West while practicing the deen completely and expect to be financially successful.

 

[OPIUM KHAT]

Let’s keep the discussion civil, dadow, no need for ad hominems. If you strongly disagree with someone, challenge their argument and dismantle it, haddi aad kartid, haddi kale aamusnow. I’m here to hear all perspectives, but for those who are quick to say 'everything’s fine' or 'it’s all exaggerated to make us look bad,' fadlan sit this one out. And to those who love to throw around outdated, cherry-picked stats to make everything seem perfectsave us the bullshit. No one’s interested in a selective narrative that ignores the bigger picture. To those people who like to go into defensive mode when topics they’re not built to handle come up due to being too allergic to the truth, refrain from commenting politely.

This thread isn’t about self-degradation; it’s meant to address uncomfortable truths. Let it rip, runta laga ma xishoodo, and if the admin wants, he/she can move the thread to a section where those who use this type of discussion for propaganda won’t have access to it

laziness

 

[Sigmundd]

Religion

Is not the religion itself. Somalis dont teach the deen to their children correctly.

 

[Sigmundd]

Is because we came to the west as poor refugees with mostly illiterate parents that don't know how to teach their children adaab or even the deen correctly. Having too many children and not knowing how to discipline all of them is bound to produce unstable children. That's why I pray somalinrefugees don't end up in the west in droves or ever be accepted. We need to sift out all the failures in our community and only bring in the successful Somalis to the west. Inshallah with the newer generation somali parents things will be much different and much better. We have a very long way to go I will give it 20-30 years from now, although Inshallah way before that time frame.

 

[AppleBoat398]

Is because we came to the west as poor refugees with mostly illiterate parents that don't know how to teach their children adaab or even the deen correctly. Having too many children and not knowing how to discipline all of them is bound to produce unstable children. That's why I pray somalinrefugees don't end up in the west in droves or ever be accepted. We need to sift out all the failures in our community and only bring in the successful Somalis to the west. Inshallah with the newer generation somali parents things will be much different and much better. We have a very long way to go I will give it 20-30 years from now, although Inshallah way before that time frame.

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[Sigmundd]

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Them and their offspring brought nothing but embarasment and humiliation to our name. I say Mac sonkor to them when they cease to exist. We don't need failures who don't contribute to our community anymore. And things will get worse in the west when the natives start reclaiming their land back but by that time I would be living in a Muslim country. All practising somalis should leave the west and all failure Somalis deported and the only somalis left are the successful westernised ones that has assimilated. I'm actually for reform I want to see immigrants be deported particularly muslims. They shouldn't even me in a non Muslim country.

 

[Yaraye]

Most aren't aware of resources in their city/ state and don't have connections (networking).

 

[ICEcold]

This is completely false. Somalis are not performing exceeding well, its actually the contrary. Lambeth is literally a small area within London, whilst somali pupils are doing well there, it is an outlier and not representative of the somali student wider population.

Lambeth is a decent example to use, since it's not an incredibly affluent borough and a good chunk of residents are probably in social housing. It's a good indicator of national performance, if not slightly below.

I haven't seen any recent stats suggesting Somalis aren't doing well? I'm assuming you're talking about education? If anything, Somalis have shown rapid improvement when compared to 20 years ago. When people show figures that prove Somalis are underachieving in education, they tend to be from the 2000s and early 2010s.

 

[ICEcold]

The white british pupils are top 3 worst performing groups when it comes to GCSE. Read the statistic that you just posted. 58% of somali pupils got 5 gcses at A* - C compared to the NATIONAL AVERAGE OF 83%. This shows that they significantly underperformed. You keep proving my point.

Don't think that was his point. 2013 shows Somalis' GCSE attainment levels were steadily increasing, and outperforming White British students in that area. Simply shows upwards trajectory.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

Being around bad influences

Is because we came to the west as poor refugees with mostly illiterate parents that don't know how to teach their children adaab or even the deen correctly. Having too many children and not knowing how to discipline all of them is bound to produce unstable children. That's why I pray somalinrefugees don't end up in the west in droves or ever be accepted. We need to sift out all the failures in our community and only bring in the successful Somalis to the west. Inshallah with the newer generation somali parents things will be much different and much better. We have a very long way to go I will give it 20-30 years from now, although Inshallah way before that time frame.

You are to charged with emotion and irrational thinking to be taken seriously, ridiculous