Iman (faith) in Allah is a precious gift

[Libaax-Joore]

@DR OSMAN why u don't respond to @Cilmi-doon

 

[Omar del Sur]

Definitely. It should be revised to the upmost degree by muslim scientists with knowledge of both Adam’s creation and the Evolutionary theory. It is a possibility that previous forms of animals existed but could have no link to current species.

What about the critiques of Darwinism?

I think those interested in the subject should examine the critiques of Darwinism. I don't believe that Darwinism is compatible with Islam. I think we would have to do logical gymnastics in our thinking to make Islam match with Darwinism.

It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.

-Surah At-Tawbah 9:33

Rather than try to alter Islam to fit with Darwinism, I think the Darwinists should alter their understanding to conform to Islam.

Our religion is superior to every other religion on this earth. Any other religion, any other ideology is beneah ours. If someone's religion or ideology contradicts Islam- then it is that other system which is wrong and should bend

The scientists can say whatever it is they want- if it contradicts Islam then they are wrong.

Look at Freud. Look at lobotomy. Not that long ago, Freud was "science". Lobotomies were "science". Now, they are seen with shame and embarassment.

How bad would it be if we changed our understanding of the Quran to fit with evolution and then a hundred years from now the scientists are saying somehing completely different.

Islam has been the same for over 1,400 years. I doubt science is even the same as it was ten years ago. They are constantly revising their theories and the "science" that is treated as dogma fifty years later may be seen as outdated. There is zero reason why we should give a single concession or yield a single inch to the scientists. What we have is superior to what they have, what they have is inferior.



Like I said, Darwinism is treated like a religion. It's not that it has rock solid evidence supporting it- it's that dissent is stifled. There is tons of evidence against it. We don't need to compromise. Islam is right and evolution is wrong. Darwinism doesn't need to be revised. It can and should be crushed.

 

[Cilmi-doon]

@DR OSMAN
Nihilism is irreconcilable with the teachings of Prophet Muhammad bin Abdullah (PBUH). Many of the early adversaries of Islam were Nihilist Arabs. You don’t have to hide behind the title “Spiritual Muslim” here in the West.

 

[DR OSMAN]

What about the critiques of Darwinism?

I think those interested in the subject should examine the critiques of Darwinism. I don't believe that Darwinism is compatible with Islam. I think we would have to do logical gymnastics in our thinking to make Islam match with Darwinism.

It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.

-Surah At-Tawbah 9:33

Rather than try to alter Islam to fit with Darwinism, I think the Darwinists should alter their understanding to conform to Islam.

Our religion is superior to every other religion on this earth. Any other religion, any other ideology is beneah ours. If someone's religion or ideology contradicts Islam- then it is that other system which is wrong and should bend

The scientists can say whatever it is they want- if it contradicts Islam then they are wrong.

Look at Freud. Look at lobotomy. Not that long ago, Freud was "science". Lobotomies were "science". Now, they are seen with shame and embarassment.

How bad would it be if we changed our understanding of the Quran to fit with evolution and then a hundred years from now the scientists are saying somehing completely different.

Islam has been the same for over 1,400 years. I doubt science is even the same as it was ten years ago. They are constantly revising their theories and the "science" that is treated as dogma fifty years later may be seen as outdated. There is zero reason why we should give a single concession or yield a single inch to the scientists. What we have is superior to what they have, what they have is inferior.



Like I said, Darwinism is treated like a religion. It's not that it has rock solid evidence supporting it- it's that dissent is stifled. There is tons of evidence against it. We don't need to compromise. Islam is right and evolution is wrong. Darwinism doesn't need to be revised. It can and should be crushed.

Wow, powerful points that made me reflect on my position. See if you answer with 'cilm' I am bendable, adaptable, evolve my thought, I know knowledge isn't 'fixed' and you know that also and it's journey that scientists must take based on our tools and technology and brain power of the day. Theories are Ideas and then supported with evidence or testing. If there is brain-drain in our society like their surely is in Somalia, no ideas are going to be presented, that society becomes a society that remain stale and stuck in the past, time is moving on, and their not evolving with it, they will be left behind.

That's why @PhySom was shocked to go badhan and see people living in huts and left behind by time and progress, why? it's because they still believe in a supernatural world, they don't believe in a world that is made up of mathamatical calculations ama natural laws that we humans can work out for ourselves using the strict scientific method and no-one is bending the scientific method to appease your silly opinion of god, do not dare claim it as a fact your belief. If your religion become a fact, it makes belief obsolete and irrelevant anyways and there technically is no 'test' your god can do on us, so your harming your own religious position by trying to make it appear islam is a fact.

You should follow @Cilmi-doon position of 'faith' who is a bit wiser then you because I heard he is Majerten, see even our religious Majertens are ten times ahead of Hawiye/Isaaq/Other Darod religious groups. MJ are always leading the pact, regardless of our differing positions and idealogy in Somalia. Faith is a powerful thing, it means it's not a fact and just a 'claim' and thru this God can test you if you believe or not, but if you prove god thru science, there is no need to believe and therefore no test and therefore no heaven and hell.

Maybe @Jablibax your right. I will speak to MJ islamist, at least I will be assured they are leading Somalis in that 'idealogy'. But in science and western world, Listen to me oo meel fican ka gaadhay Australia based for my age, Ayan Hersi, Abdiqawi.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Cilmi-doon I will carry my conversation with you no point speaking with lower clans, they will update themselves the second a MJ moves, Somalis are all like that. Horta let's not kill each other over this shit like SSDF/ALITIHAAD, this is mandatory. It's just different views and ideas of various Majertens who can join whatever bloc or faction of the world that exists. But let's not have them give us guns and say is dila, the only loser then is us. As for the god and science topic. Why do both need to conform to each other, can't they remain separate? I am not reading 'fatiha' to create a nuclear bomb for reer puntland, I will be following the scientific model and the physics and natural law calculation. I am not reading 'ayatul kursi' and supernatural shit when handing puntlanders the latest in chemical advancements I will be following calculating and using measurements and numbers on elements, compounds, and earthly materials. Science leaves behind something for you, religion doesn't. Is science and religion compatible, NO.

One wants us to go to mosque and do roob doon for you while another will show you the scientific method of helping yourself thru dams systems to capture rain, desalination plants to convert sea water into clean water, drilling underground water wells, and heck Israelis just produced a system to convert 'air' to water' that is literally the air bay ka keeni karan biyo. Science is provable the world u live in and the medications and tools your using was developed with it, it's in-front o f your eyes as you speak to me because it's using natural law and mathamatics and testing not Salat and Prayers, it's two different idealogies science and religion and they should co-exist not have one or the other be supreme over another, can they live side by side yes.

Waryaa I don't make claims about being a spiritual muslim for nothing, I have mental illness called Bipolar and I have psychotic breaks, there is personal reasons due to my mental health that makes me believe in God not because I chose too. I am not an agnostic or atheist and it didn't help me in my battle with bipolar and why I reject it. But is this scientific fact no it's my opinion and only concerns me, I have strong faith unlike these muslims u see who want to go around changing the world to suit their supernatural theories of Islam. They are not real believers at all and no wonder the disbeliever today has the power and these so called believers are beggers in the world. U ain't fooling me waryaa.

But I love science because I want my clan to succeed and evolve with the world not be left behind like @PhySom found out in badhan people living in mud huts while some humans are on the moon. I don't want that outcome for our people.

The other thing that made me reject atheism was none of them proving 'nothingness' is a valid state in mathamatics or natural world. By failing to do this, their must of been a creator first as they can't prove 'zero or nothing' is a real 'state' in the physical world. I may not support atheists but they are miles ahead of believers in science and producing something in the world and why I do camp with Ayan Hersi but deep down not 'spiritually' but because of our love of 'horumar and progress'. Or else u want me to sit with these dark age barbarian who lives like it's the 15th century. Believers can compete and up their game, science is open for all, they simply refuse to play within the system. Like Somalis refuse to work within the constitution or legal systems in the nations. They are fucking third world 'desert rats' may you continue living in poverty and gaajo cause that's all u will ever inherit just like the dark age europeans had to go thru the same pain of supernatural nonsense that u attach too in a real natural world that can be calculated and sequenced and tested in labs.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Jablibax @Cilmi-doon waan uu jawabay, war waxba meesha kuma haayo waa kuwi 'ikhwanka' ahaa oo mashruci arabta dalka uu soo wareejiyay markay arkeen inaysan aduunka waxba ka noqon karin markas bay raban inay quranka wax ku noqdan oo awood ku yeeshan. I am like Abdillahi Yusuf shoot to kill Islamist, they hate progress nimankani ama suuqooda ayaa xirmayso ma garatay kkkk waxay uu bahan yihin umaad jahil ah ama haday caqli yeeshan waxay ka baqayan in masajidyada laga wada tagayo, waa dad fuley ah runti and I know their mental weakness which is the first technique you need to understand in WAR, the mental weakness of your enemy because once u understand that, u can plan your war to strike at his 'weakness' in the battle field and make him crumble and run back to his village and say 'waana laga adkaaday' kkkkkkk mana ogga in 'cilmi' loo adeegsaday.

PS - The local islamists or MJ who support them, we must save them ama 'tolka' is-dilayso, we will surgeically remove the shisheeye like abdillahi yusuf did and tell the local islamist sit the f*ck down or else the next model is siyad barre where we line them up 17 wadaad and bullet to the head. We couldnt kill MJ islamist or it will cause inter clan war, while the enemy was camped inside Bariga like dahir aways, abdillahi did quite well considering jambalka loo soo tuuray from hamar inay majerten is dilan oo kadib hamar loo wada kaxeeyo iyo burburkeeda. Haday hamar uu eekan lahayd new york, anaba is dhibi laha, lakin dahir aways wuxu rabay hamarkasi oo dagaalka iyo fowdada inu nagu biiriyo marku alitihaad iyo mashrucasi ku soo daray majertenka yar-yarka sida abdirahinkani kkkkk. They were soundly defeated, the strategy is old and Abdillahi Yusuf was supreme.

Now their still trying that shit thru dam jadiid, al ictisaam, lakin markan waa dhinaca parliamentka iyo lacag qatar laga soo qaato, war waxani meel kuma wado, look at magaladisa hamar, ma waxad rabta soobe inaad gasho k kkkk, war ninka meel ku kaxaynayo waxaa la eega kabahisa marka hore, look at what the hell he is and what he has. Hawiye waxba meesha kuma haayo niyahow to entice anyone to follow them, in laga cararo mooye

 

[imperialist]

Radical islam and islam without logic is a modern creation.
You can worship allah and his prophet and still uphold many scientific views. Big bang theory actually isn’t forbidden to believe, evolution shouldn't be dismissed straight away. Some scholars have said that god may have created previous forms of human-like beings part of the homo-genus. The lack of education and care for it is what’s holding muslims back.

Islam doesn't reject modern scientific theories, exception being the evolution theory. The Quran clearly states humans were created and not evolved from lower life forms.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Cilmi-doon no offence but your one of the smaller mj clans that hawiye tries to use against MS, they bring u a little sky daddy project and guarantee you positions in this future islamic state like hell waryaa. No islamist run nation is allowed in the united nation and anyone who attempts it gets the afghanistan model, iraq model, syria model, yemen model. You must enter the united nation as a nation state based the world rules. Or else no nation will even trade, sell, buy with your nation. Your people won't be able to catch planes and go to other countries as your not recognized. Your state will be told no-one can sell you arms like un arms embargo. Their financial freezes on all your accounts overseas because they are AMERICAN ALLIES and will close your bank account so they don't jepordize their relationship with Americans over your dahir aways futo who is nothing in the world. But you as an abdirahin saleban followed him in 93 because they recruit always from mj yaryarka to divide n conquer and make MJ negiotate with Hawiye on the premise 'waa is dilaysan hadi kale ii raca' weeye.

Which isn't bad thing but look at GM it's vacuum maxaa la raca, lawlessness and no state. Look at hamar it's military base everywhere in xafadaha and 'xalane' and trusteeship. Wax la raco ma arkiye, if it was new york, I would surrender to mogadishu or hargeisa, but they have nothing to offer me to convince me to join them or let them rule me. I would loved to be ruled by Einstein type Hawiye or Isaaq but there is none coming and I think @General Asad has dug up the historical reasons for this kkkkkk.

Anyways @Jablibax ha cararin adiguna, ii keen niin maxamud saleban oo bahashani islamistka aminsan at least let me talk to the real clan leading beesha as their not easily fooled by 'shisheeye' regardless if that shisheeye is an islamist or secularist. I am not fooled by white people, trust me I carried out investigations and their using natural sciences to develop all our medicines, weapons, inventions and this isn't even their system, it was inherited and exported from the ancient egyptians where the greeks copied and added and so forth through out history knowledge just keep being pass down and 'refined' as new ideas supported by stronger evidences were found.

Maxamud Saleban people are of differing idealogies trust me, we are not all one, but we must have some common ethics, conducts, and rules that can't be violated by anyone for tol reasons, this will infuriate our enemies and frustrates them as they can't bring down Puntland

 

[Cilmi-doon]

@DR OSMAN
The only true test of one’s faith is whether the person is willing to act on those beliefs. What does it mean to be a “Spiritual Muslim” yet not pray, fast, pay zakah, or go to hajj ? Committing yourself to an Islamic way of life is an all or nothing deal.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN
The only true test of one’s faith is whether the person is willing to act on those beliefs. What does it mean to be a “Spiritual Muslim” yet not pray, fast, pay zakah, or go to hajj ? Committing yourself to an Islamic way of life is an all or nothing deal.

Your smaller MJ clan so you are easily fooled by religiousity. Listen the framework of science is simple. I work out the equation and sequences for you and show you a nuclear bomb. This is evidence based idealogy, where you 'say hey' anigu im smart and here is what I produced. The other idealogy is supernatural like you said your judging me on salat, fasting, and internal things that produce nothing on earth. I do not want a system that is like this or we inherit nothing from it as it's wrong framework to use in the world we live in. I am secularist, I am also pro monarchy and very traditionalist in terms of retaining our identity just like you. But I want Islam to play personal choice role in people lives, it won't make us next america or els roob doon would've made Puntland green by now. Sit down, Ayan Hersi Camp baan ku jira because she has knowledge and lives with and married people of cilm. I am not sitting in your mud hut with u and praying 5 time a day. Waa diiday, I still love god but I don't want his laws or systems in this world, I want pure science which can create something for us.

I will begin reformation march when I return to Puntland in the future, not now as I have to finish paying my mortgage off, get married soon cause I am 35, I DONT HAVE KIDS AT 20 and raise ghetto rats, my kids will live with good knowledge people as they are streghtened by allah and stay away from mud hut poor people like you as god has punished u. Like I said I am marrying a 'jewish' wife for 'knowledge transfer reasons' like Amhara used too while keeping strong ties with MJ Islamist to keep up to date with arab boys. I already know western world system, I LIVE IT AND PRODUCED A LIFE FROM IT. Plus I know my love for my awoowe is real, they gave me what I have today and without them I wouldn't be here and for that I will honor their islam not because I have any love for the islam of today. Talada puntland in 20 years when I am 55 will happen, Puntland will transition to my vision and I will prove it with one tuulo wallahi that science works and they will all start to copy then markay arkan tuuladasi horumarysa and developing academics and innovators and so forth, maseer markay arkan bay is qaadan somalida

 

[DR OSMAN]

Reformation is the hardest thing to do but we need to ensure it doesn't cause bloodshed and it's done slowly tuulo first so they see with their own eyes the benefit of science and western system, we can adopt this system while promoting our 'traditions and ancestors' because I love bah dubays also but I am also studying science and go to my university to master my field of technology. I already told u guys I am on 1 year sabbatical because my ministry here wants me to develop further in technology from engineering to 'architecture and designing' and consulting services. In my free time I watch history because I need to learn the pains and teething issue of reformation because the same will be accounted in PL so my strategy and plans do not collapse of seeing a first world puntland nation so our people are proud again of themselves and do not have to hide their somali or muslim because of how backwards these sheikhs who run our society have made us. My war is on SHEIKHS not the Quran, iyagu malaha quranka sheikhyasha, Quranka waa si jiraysa iyaga baxayo keliya is MY SLOGAN.

I will then go on national tv for Somalis as a majerten bah dubays and say dont trust my words. Here is a disabled sample test of IQ performance and show them their lovely sheikh can't even PASS THIS. Imagine how corrupt and dumb his islam is when his brain is lower then mentally retarded population. Somalis will then decide to leave doqonkani sheikha ah oo maskaxdisa liito and they will see correlation how poor and backwards they are today due to them and then I will show them dark age europe video how christianity did the same to europeans intaysan umada kicin oo iska qaadin popeka, anagana waan in aan turna sheikha lakin quranka waa halkeedi. Iyaga ku ciyaarayo the sheikhs the religion, its not the religion that is the problem if smart people who pass high iq test were on TV, we would respect these ppl inay caqli lee yihin, lakin dameer aweys iyo for god sakes sheikh sharif macalin dugsi ayaa rabtan inay wax idin sheegan oo wax ku noqotan kkk

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Jablibax maxad la cararysa niyahow, niinkani baad afka ii gelisay waan nimanka yaryarka oo maxamud saleban ka cuqdadaysan oo isku dhiibayo mashruc kasta loo keeno ama balan kasta la siiyo kkkk inkasto isma waydiyo ma janoo bay ku wadan nimankani mashrucyada ku keenay, wallahi meel ay uu wadan ma jirane laga reebo human zoo in europe ama fowdo iyo inaad soobe iyo maydkooda ka qayb gashid. Ka qayb galka burburka somaliyeed waa siyasada ugu xun la ciyaari karo, I want a big WALL at Galkacyo, hadi aanan wax dalka la tari karin, in la si burburiyo waa caqliga ugu hoseeyo aan arkay oo koonfurta ka socoto 30 sano. I want PL to get special deal from the world that we are not at same stage as the south and we wish the best for our brothers in the south but when they have reached an acceptable stage of development that can give Puntites confidence that this ummah are going to become like new york and london, we do not want anything to do with them and want to remain separate at all times or else it can lead to conflict

 

[Cilmi-doon]

@DR OSMAN
Islam is the bedrock of Somali identity. Going down the rabbit hole of materialism(you’re not a real nihilist), crypto-atheism, and Islamophobia will only alienate you from your people. A confused and gullible man like you can be easily taken advantage of. Puntland is not a pluralistic society like Australia. War dadkaaga dhinac ka raac

 

[PhySom]

Wow, powerful points that made me reflect on my position. See if you answer with 'cilm' I am bendable, adaptable, evolve my thought, I know knowledge isn't 'fixed' and you know that also and it's journey that scientists must take based on our tools and technology and brain power of the day. Theories are Ideas and then supported with evidence or testing. If there is brain-drain in our society like their surely is in Somalia, no ideas are going to be presented, that society becomes a society that remain stale and stuck in the past, time is moving on, and their not evolving with it, they will be left behind.

That's why @PhySom was shocked to go badhan and see people living in huts and left behind by time and progress, why? it's because they still believe in a supernatural world, they don't believe in a world that is made up of mathamatical calculations ama natural laws that we humans can work out for ourselves using the strict scientific method and no-one is bending the scientific method to appease your silly opinion of god, do not dare claim it as a fact your belief. If your religion become a fact, it makes belief obsolete and irrelevant anyways and there technically is no 'test' your god can do on us, so your harming your own religious position by trying to make it appear islam is a fact.

You should follow @Cilmi-doon position of 'faith' who is a bit wiser then you because I heard he is Majerten, see even our religious Majertens are ten times ahead of Hawiye/Isaaq/Other Darod religious groups. MJ are always leading the pact, regardless of our differing positions and idealogy in Somalia. Faith is a powerful thing, it means it's not a fact and just a 'claim' and thru this God can test you if you believe or not, but if you prove god thru science, there is no need to believe and therefore no test and therefore no heaven and hell.

Maybe @Jablibax your right. I will speak to MJ islamist, at least I will be assured they are leading Somalis in that 'idealogy'. But in science and western world, Listen to me oo meel fican ka gaadhay Australia based for my age, Ayan Hersi, Abdiqawi.

If you tell them why don't they invest in hospitals to reduce mortality they reply with "To God we return" which basicaly allows the politicians to be corrupt and the people to be lazy.

Similiar laziness is seen in all avenues such as construction, electricity etc. When you believe that there is an infinite heaven filled with magical wizards and virgins you are bound to neglect your towns and cities.

 

[PhySom]

Having debated with many people about Islam, I’ve come to these conclusions:

1) A human being can never be in a neutral position when talking about Allah

2) No one proof can convince all people of Allah’s existence

3) Morality doesn’t make sense in a godless universe

4) We lack a precise and clear understanding of Allah and his characteristics

5) Rational reflection of Allah is of little value, in the end it all boils down to a leap in faith

Time to destruct this!

@DR OSMAN watch this

1) A human being can never be in a neutral position when talking about Allah

Nope! A human being can be neutral in the sense that he doesn't believe in Allah. Just like you don't care about Zeus many people don't care about Allah and hence our neutral.

2) No one proof can convince all people of Allah’s existence

Wrong again!

Many things can prove Allah's existence. For instance if Allah , Qurans God, sent down a book with every single mathematical proof in the universe encoded in an infinitely surviving CD player and solar powered TV. Then if, God kept jumping into existance every 10 seconds to replay it and warn us it would be sufficient proof to claim Allah exists.

3) Morality doesn’t make sense in a godless universe

Morality are simply inherent laws to which a society sees a good.It makes sense in a Godless or Godfull universe. Subjective morality is just as important as Objective morality.The confusion is that the former is one which comes from a view of growing society while the latter comes from an "all knowing view"

Thus objective morality doesn't make sense in a universe where all knowledge is not completely known is what you mean.

4) We lack a precise and clear understanding of Allah and his characteristics

If we lack understanding of God it is because he hasn't communicated it adequately and thus it is on God for failing to fulfill this requirement.

5) Rational reflection of Allah is of little value, in the end it all boils down to a leap in faith

Only point i semi agree with , Allah hasn't done a good job in proving himself (probably due to him not existing) and thus "faith" or blind belief is the only way to ever be a muslim.

However, rational reflection of God/s is very good for society.It exposes the fallacies within religions and thus pushes us to a humanist universe.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

@DR OSMAN there is nothing call majerteen yaryar.... Shisheyahay ba erega isticmalo sidhu maxamud salebaan iyo majerteenka kale iska horkeeno......

 

[Cilmi-doon]

Time to destruct this!

@DR OSMAN watch this

1) A human being can never be in a neutral position when talking about Allah

Nope! A human being can be neutral in the sense that he doesn't believe in Allah. Just like you don't care about Zeus many people don't care about Allah and hence our neutral.

2) No one proof can convince all people of Allah’s existence

Wrong again!

Many things can prove Allah's existence. For instance if Allah , Qurans God, sent down a book with every single mathematical proof in the universe encoded in an infinitely surviving CD player and solar powered TV. Then if, God kept jumping into existance every 10 seconds to replay it and warn us it would be sufficient proof to claim Allah exists.

3) Morality doesn’t make sense in a godless universe

Morality are simply inherent laws to which a society sees a good.It makes sense in a Godless or Godfull universe. Subjective morality is just as important as Objective morality.The confusion is that the former is one which comes from a view of growing society while the latter comes from an "all knowing view"

Thus objective morality doesn't make sense in a universe where all knowledge is not completely known is what you mean.

4) We lack a precise and clear understanding of Allah and his characteristics

If we lack understanding of God it is because he hasn't communicated it adequately and thus it is on God for failing to fulfill this requirement.

5) Rational reflection of Allah is of little value, in the end it all boils down to a leap in faith

Only point i semi agree with , Allah hasn't done a good job in proving himself (probably due to him not existing) and thus "faith" or blind belief is the only way to ever be a muslim.

However, rational reflection of God/s is very good for society.It exposes the fallacies within religions and thus pushes us to a humanist universe.

You just said “many things can prove Allah’s existence”

Therefore you can’t be an atheist. Why don’t you embrace Islam ?

What I’m looking for is a single philosophical proof that proves as bright as day that God exists. It must not be an ontological argument, argument about the universe or an argument of design. For every one of those arguments there’s a counter argument and they’ve been around for a long time.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN there is nothing call majerteen yaryar.... Shisheyahay ba erega isticmalo sidhu maxamud salebaan iyo majerteenka kale iska horkeeno......

I know my mother calls them 'yaryar' she is Murusade but my father fights her and says 'war nimankasi ma yare kkkkk' and demonstrates Maxamud Saleban portion of the parliament 12 in comparison to non maxamud saleban 19. I think it's 5 Isse, 3.5 for Osman(hal wareegto bah dubays with reer omar), 4 for Omar. Ma oggi ma sax ba? anigu 'half a seat' baan lee yahay waan huba taas, ma aha 'full' I am not creating a 'fake narrative' for tolkayga ama maba aha cilmi dhab ah oo 'horumar' lagu gaadhi karo wax been layska abuurto.

But I call them yaryarka because they actually 'believe' in this and Hawiye uses this on them when recruiting them to be 'jambal' in PL lagu wada 'hadli karo' oo siyasada loo leexin karo 'burbur somaliyeed ileen hawiye waa burbur socoda kkkkk'. Wax kale kuma guulaysan karo Hawiye, hadu yimado western world, they are worst performing diaspora clan, you see? nidaam iyo kala dambayn iyo system haday arkan, hawiye waa uu dhamatay marka waa og yahay 'in burburka' uu guul ka keeni karo iyo inusan majerten ku noolan karin.

It's a strategy that I spotted a long time ago, they are exercising where their clan strength is while sucking you into it knowing it's not your strength and therefore they can 'bend' you over backwards and stick a 'gus' in you kkkkk. Lakin yaryarka waa in loo bixiya, iyaga raca mar walbo qurun kasta puntland yimada, marka way aminsan yihin wixi loo aqriye, that's why I call them 'yaryar' waxay noqotay 'xaqiiq jira ama factual'. But is Ali Saleban small, hell no. My dad even told me 'way naga badan yihin wuuna ku dhaartay' abahay WHEN I asked him his opinion on clan sizes of osman and ali saleban. He said their larger but not by much, not 'labo jibaar' type.

My father makes it clear @Tucking_Fypo omar mahmoud iyo majertenka kale ayaa is la'eg marki laysku daro, he is adamant and unshakeable omar mahmoud is 4 or 5 times the size of any clan in Majerten. I have to consult my father he is a 'local source' based on PL when he was a kid, wuu yaqana 'miyiga' which is Somali heartland and how camel population and wars happened. Today Somalia wouldn't be much different waa isla dadki oo magaalo ama tuulo degay.

 

[Omar del Sur]

You just said “many things can prove Allah’s existence”

Therefore you can’t be an atheist. Why don’t you embrace Islam ?

What I’m looking for is a single philosophical proof that proves as bright as day that God exists. It must not be an ontological argument, argument about the universe or an argument of design. For every one of those arguments there’s a counter argument and they’ve been around for a long time.

Design argument is correct, though. Nothing produces nothing.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Design argument is correct, though. Nothing produces nothing.

Nothing doesn't even exist, it's not natural state, nor is it mathamatical provable because the zero is place holder for calculations, it doesn't mean it actually exist. It's like a concept like soul is, maybe brush up on your maths and learn it's history sxb.

Your arguing a point that doesn't even exist in the world, showing clearly your ignorance is leading u to form beliefs and opinions based on ignorance. If nothing exists, then that would mean things pop up from nowhere and have no cause n effect or origin point or something preceding it. That's like saying I came to existence from nothing, no I came from my parents(something). Universe is exactly the same since we are all under natural and physical laws.