Indonesians are increasingly turning to dog meat, including in the Muslim areas

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JAKARTA, Indonesia — Parlin Sitio leaned back from a table of empty dishes at a restaurant in eastern Jakarta with a look of satisfaction. He had just enjoyed an order of rica-rica — dog meat with Indonesian spices.

“Minimum, I eat it once a week,” said Mr. Sitio, who sells mobile phones for a living. “The taste is good, and it’s served fresh here. It keeps the body warm and the blood flowing.”

In Indonesia, as in some other countries where dogs are eaten, the industry operates largely in the shadows, and reliable data on consumption is scarce. But restaurant owners, butchers, researchers and animal rights advocates agree that more dogs are being killed and eaten here.

That makes for a surprising contrast with other Asian countries like South Korea and China, where the practice appears to have been increasingly shunned as incomes have risen, along with pet ownership and concern for animal welfare.

Indonesia is an example of how economic development can also have the opposite effect, making dog meat newly affordable for people who have no particular objection to it, say people who have studied the subject.

“It’s a pattern, not just in Indonesia, but throughout the Southeast Asian region,” said Dr. Eric Brum, a veterinarian and a country team leader for the United Nations agriculture agency in Bangladesh, who worked in Indonesia for nine years.

“Some of these communities have more access to markets and greater disposable income, so there’s more demand,” he said. “As dog demand increases, there’s going to be more and more production, and more trade.”

Many Indonesians who are still too poor to eat beef, except on special occasions, can now afford dog or cat, said Brad Anthony, a Canadian animal protection researcher and analyst who lives in Singapore.

“From a strictly practical, agricultural point of view, growing dogs and cats for meat requires far less space and feed resources than growing cows, and is therefore cheaper,” Mr. Anthony said. “The economics of it all is likely the primary motivator for production and consumption.”

Besides affordability, many who eat dog meat cite what they consider to be its special health benefits. (The “warm” quality that Mr. Sitio mentioned alludes to a traditional belief that certain foods have warm energy, others cold.)

The Indonesian government does not collect data on how many dogs are killed for food or consumed each year. That is because dogs are not classified as livestock, the way cows, pigs and chickens are. Because of this, the slaughter, distribution, sale and consumption of dogs are not regulated.

Many Muslims, who make up the overwhelming majority of Indonesians, tend to regard dog meat as unclean, though Islamic tradition does not forbid it outright, as it does pork.

But animal rights advocates say the practice of eating dog meat seems to be thriving in Muslim areas, as well as on the island of Bali, the country’s one majority-Hindu province, where it has also traditionally been discouraged. And some of Indonesia’s many ethnic minorities — like Mr. Sitio’s Batak, who are primarily Christian — have eaten dogs for centuries.

The Bali Animal Welfare Association estimates that as many as 70,000 dogs are slaughtered and consumed on the popular resort island every year.



“In our investigations, 60 percent of the customers were Balinese women who felt it was the warmest and most inexpensive form of protein,” said the group’s founder, Janice Girardi, an American who has lived on Bali for decades. “They believe eating black dogs cures asthma, and maybe other diseases.”

Karin Franken, a manager for the Jakarta Animal Aid Network, which is trying to collect nationwide data on the subject, said its research indicates that 215 dogs are consumed daily in the city of Yogyakarta and “at least double or triple that much” in Jakarta, the capital. Other regions in Java, Indonesia’s most populous island, serve as supply chains, with stray dogs rounded up or pets snatched off the streets for slaughter, she added.

“They trade all over the country,” Ms. Franken said. “In Yogyakarta, a dish of dog meat and rice is only 8,000 rupiah,” or about 60 cents, she said.

In Jakarta, Juniatur Silitonga, whose family has been in the business since 1975, says he slaughters about 20 dogs in an average week. He sells the meat to Batak food stalls in his neighborhood in east Jakarta, as well as to some Korean restaurants around town. He buys live dogs from various suppliers in Java for about $15 each, he said, and sells the meat for about $2 a pound.

“It’s cheaper than beef,” he said. “Eating dog meat is a tradition among local tribes, and they are mostly Christian, but Muslims also eat dog meat soup for medicinal reasons.”

Mr. Silitonga’s slaughterhouse is in a side room of his dilapidated two-story shop house. The dogs are locked in a second-story room where a fierce stench prevails.

One by one, they are taken down a flight of steps to an open room with a concrete pig sty in the back. The dogs are beaten over the head with a wooden club, then stabbed through the throat as they lie unconscious. The blood is drained into buckets and sold to restaurants along with the meat, for cooking purposes.

Dogs are slaughtered much more cruelly on Bali, said Ms. Girardi, the Bali animal welfare advocate. Many are strangled and then butchered immediately, she said, on the theory that strangling them makes the meat more tender. Others are put in sacks and beaten to death.

“The cruelty of the dog meat trade in Indonesia shocks me even after years of working on the anti-dog meat campaigns in South Korea, Vietnam and the Philippines,” said Lola Webber, a co-founder of the Change for Animals Foundation, who is based in Bali.

Indonesia has a law against cruelty to animals, but it applies only to livestock, not dogs, cats or wild animals. Animal welfare activists here have all but given up campaigning against the dog trade on cruelty grounds, because “no one cares,” Ms. Franken said.

Instead, she said, they focus on the potential for the unregulated trade to spread rabies — a persistent problem in Bali and elsewhere — as strays and other dogs are transported from one region to another.

“Indonesia will never get the rabies problem fixed as long as there’s this underground meat market going on,” said Mr. Anthony, the Canadian researcher.


Local governments, including Jakarta’s, vaccinate dogs against rabies but cannot prevent trucks from bringing them in, said Sri Hartati, head of the capital’s livestock and animal health division.

“It’s a gray area, and we are stuck in the middle,” Ms. Hartati said. “It’s traditional culture versus animal lovers, and we have no grounds to interfere.”

Mr. Silitonga, the Jakarta butcher, is undeterred by fear of rabies — he says he has been bitten dozens of times. And he is not without affection for dogs. He keeps one named Luna as a pet.

“She’s not for eating,” he said.
 

JAKARTA, Indonesia — Parlin Sitio leaned back from a table of empty dishes at a restaurant in eastern Jakarta with a look of satisfaction. He had just enjoyed an order of rica-rica — dog meat with Indonesian spices.

“Minimum, I eat it once a week,” said Mr. Sitio, who sells mobile phones for a living. “The taste is good, and it’s served fresh here. It keeps the body warm and the blood flowing.”

In Indonesia, as in some other countries where dogs are eaten, the industry operates largely in the shadows, and reliable data on consumption is scarce. But restaurant owners, butchers, researchers and animal rights advocates agree that more dogs are being killed and eaten here.

That makes for a surprising contrast with other Asian countries like South Korea and China, where the practice appears to have been increasingly shunned as incomes have risen, along with pet ownership and concern for animal welfare.

Indonesia is an example of how economic development can also have the opposite effect, making dog meat newly affordable for people who have no particular objection to it, say people who have studied the subject.

“It’s a pattern, not just in Indonesia, but throughout the Southeast Asian region,” said Dr. Eric Brum, a veterinarian and a country team leader for the United Nations agriculture agency in Bangladesh, who worked in Indonesia for nine years.

“Some of these communities have more access to markets and greater disposable income, so there’s more demand,” he said. “As dog demand increases, there’s going to be more and more production, and more trade.”

Many Indonesians who are still too poor to eat beef, except on special occasions, can now afford dog or cat, said Brad Anthony, a Canadian animal protection researcher and analyst who lives in Singapore.

“From a strictly practical, agricultural point of view, growing dogs and cats for meat requires far less space and feed resources than growing cows, and is therefore cheaper,” Mr. Anthony said. “The economics of it all is likely the primary motivator for production and consumption.”

Besides affordability, many who eat dog meat cite what they consider to be its special health benefits. (The “warm” quality that Mr. Sitio mentioned alludes to a traditional belief that certain foods have warm energy, others cold.)

The Indonesian government does not collect data on how many dogs are killed for food or consumed each year. That is because dogs are not classified as livestock, the way cows, pigs and chickens are. Because of this, the slaughter, distribution, sale and consumption of dogs are not regulated.

Many Muslims, who make up the overwhelming majority of Indonesians, tend to regard dog meat as unclean, though Islamic tradition does not forbid it outright, as it does pork.

But animal rights advocates say the practice of eating dog meat seems to be thriving in Muslim areas, as well as on the island of Bali, the country’s one majority-Hindu province, where it has also traditionally been discouraged. And some of Indonesia’s many ethnic minorities — like Mr. Sitio’s Batak, who are primarily Christian — have eaten dogs for centuries.

The Bali Animal Welfare Association estimates that as many as 70,000 dogs are slaughtered and consumed on the popular resort island every year.



“In our investigations, 60 percent of the customers were Balinese women who felt it was the warmest and most inexpensive form of protein,” said the group’s founder, Janice Girardi, an American who has lived on Bali for decades. “They believe eating black dogs cures asthma, and maybe other diseases.”

Karin Franken, a manager for the Jakarta Animal Aid Network, which is trying to collect nationwide data on the subject, said its research indicates that 215 dogs are consumed daily in the city of Yogyakarta and “at least double or triple that much” in Jakarta, the capital. Other regions in Java, Indonesia’s most populous island, serve as supply chains, with stray dogs rounded up or pets snatched off the streets for slaughter, she added.

“They trade all over the country,” Ms. Franken said. “In Yogyakarta, a dish of dog meat and rice is only 8,000 rupiah,” or about 60 cents, she said.

In Jakarta, Juniatur Silitonga, whose family has been in the business since 1975, says he slaughters about 20 dogs in an average week. He sells the meat to Batak food stalls in his neighborhood in east Jakarta, as well as to some Korean restaurants around town. He buys live dogs from various suppliers in Java for about $15 each, he said, and sells the meat for about $2 a pound.

“It’s cheaper than beef,” he said. “Eating dog meat is a tradition among local tribes, and they are mostly Christian, but Muslims also eat dog meat soup for medicinal reasons.”

Mr. Silitonga’s slaughterhouse is in a side room of his dilapidated two-story shop house. The dogs are locked in a second-story room where a fierce stench prevails.

One by one, they are taken down a flight of steps to an open room with a concrete pig sty in the back. The dogs are beaten over the head with a wooden club, then stabbed through the throat as they lie unconscious. The blood is drained into buckets and sold to restaurants along with the meat, for cooking purposes.

Dogs are slaughtered much more cruelly on Bali, said Ms. Girardi, the Bali animal welfare advocate. Many are strangled and then butchered immediately, she said, on the theory that strangling them makes the meat more tender. Others are put in sacks and beaten to death.

“The cruelty of the dog meat trade in Indonesia shocks me even after years of working on the anti-dog meat campaigns in South Korea, Vietnam and the Philippines,” said Lola Webber, a co-founder of the Change for Animals Foundation, who is based in Bali.

Indonesia has a law against cruelty to animals, but it applies only to livestock, not dogs, cats or wild animals. Animal welfare activists here have all but given up campaigning against the dog trade on cruelty grounds, because “no one cares,” Ms. Franken said.

Instead, she said, they focus on the potential for the unregulated trade to spread rabies — a persistent problem in Bali and elsewhere — as strays and other dogs are transported from one region to another.

“Indonesia will never get the rabies problem fixed as long as there’s this underground meat market going on,” said Mr. Anthony, the Canadian researcher.


Local governments, including Jakarta’s, vaccinate dogs against rabies but cannot prevent trucks from bringing them in, said Sri Hartati, head of the capital’s livestock and animal health division.

“It’s a gray area, and we are stuck in the middle,” Ms. Hartati said. “It’s traditional culture versus animal lovers, and we have no grounds to interfere.”

Mr. Silitonga, the Jakarta butcher, is undeterred by fear of rabies — he says he has been bitten dozens of times. And he is not without affection for dogs. He keeps one named Luna as a pet.

“She’s not for eating,” he said.



Johnson

Nothing wrong with societies who consume dog meat as a cultural cuisine and even them, they might find weird people who eat camels or beef. Once, I had a slow cooked and marinated with different spices of a dog meat dish in the Philippines, it was one of the best meat dishes I ever ate. I might try again.
 
I have absolutely nothing against those that eat dog meat. It's wrong to criticize other people's cultures if it has no direct effect on you. Unless you're a vegan you'd be a hypocrite to voice outrage.

I don't know about dog meat though. I forced myself to eat pepperoni pizza the other day and I didn't find it tasty and my stomach started to hurt but it was all in my head. This was all programmed in our heads from an early age.
 
I have absolutely nothing against those that eat dog meat. It's wrong to criticize other people's cultures if it has no direct effect on you. Unless you're a vegan you'd be a hypocrite to voice outrage.

I don't know about dog meat though. I forced myself to eat pepperoni pizza the other day and I didn't find it tasty and my stomach started to hurt but it was all in my head. This was all programmed in our heads from an early age.
You ate pork willingly :birdman:
 
I have absolutely nothing against those that eat dog meat. It's wrong to criticize other people's cultures if it has no direct effect on you. Unless you're a vegan you'd be a hypocrite to voice outrage.

I don't know about dog meat though. I forced myself to eat pepperoni pizza the other day and I didn't find it tasty and my stomach started to hurt but it was all in my head. This was all programmed in our heads from an early age.

Johnson

Was it beef or pork? I can't handle Pizzas with pepperoni, fruit (pineapples), chicken or meat in it. Just a traditional Margherita.
 
I thought it was haram to eat carnivores?


Skyzix

It depends who you are shopping the Fatwa from. Hyenas are also known to be carnivores but Alshabab fed it Somalis justifying it on a Hadith.

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My Question is recently, a well known Wahhabi Cleric in Nairobi, Kenya with a big clout within the Somali Community in Kenya, Somalia, Ethiopia and many parts of the world has caused a storm by declaring the meat of hyena halal contrary to the believe of many Muslims in the region. From Kismayu to Garissa there is frenzy in the business of hyena meat. Please clarify on the position of Shariah on this issue.

http://eshaykh.com/halal_haram/is-h...bi-cleric-causing-storm-in-kenya-and-somalia/

Answer:

wa `alaykum salam,

Non-Halal animals are known as haram and cannot be eaten under any circumstances. Here are some haram animals (according to Hanafi school):

  1. Hyena


http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=88523

and this;

Wants Hadeeth about the hyena as game

I read a Hadeeth where the Prophet
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was asked about hyena (an animal who is known to be a scavenger) and he said that it was a game? Is this an authentic Hadeeth? If yes are we allowed to eat it?

Answer


All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. We ask Allaah to exalt his mention as well as that of his family and all his companions.

The narration you are asking about is reported in book of Imaam At-Tirmithi
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from Abu 'Ammaar that he asked Jaabir
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"Is hyena considered as game?" He said, "Yes." He asked, "Can I eat it?" He said, "Yes." He asked, "Have you heard this from Allah's Messenger
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?" He said, "Yes." [Ahmad, At-Tirmithi] Another narration added: "If one hunts hyena in the state of Ihram he has to slaughter a ram." [Abu Daawood and Ibn Maajah]


http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=88523
 

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Skyzix

It depends who you are shopping the Fatwa from. Hyenas are also known to be carnivores but Alshabab fed it Somalis justifying it on a Hadith.

Question

My Question is recently, a well known Wahhabi Cleric in Nairobi, Kenya with a big clout within the Somali Community in Kenya, Somalia, Ethiopia and many parts of the world has caused a storm by declaring the meat of hyena halal contrary to the believe of many Muslims in the region. From Kismayu to Garissa there is frenzy in the business of hyena meat. Please clarify on the position of Shariah on this issue.

http://eshaykh.com/halal_haram/is-h...bi-cleric-causing-storm-in-kenya-and-somalia/

Answer:

wa `alaykum salam,

Non-Halal animals are known as haram and cannot be eaten under any circumstances. Here are some haram animals (according to Hanafi school):

  1. Hyena


http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=88523

and this;

Wants Hadeeth about the hyena as game

I read a Hadeeth where the Prophet
icon--1.gif
was asked about hyena (an animal who is known to be a scavenger) and he said that it was a game? Is this an authentic Hadeeth? If yes are we allowed to eat it?

Answer


All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. We ask Allaah to exalt his mention as well as that of his family and all his companions.

The narration you are asking about is reported in book of Imaam At-Tirmithi
icon--6.gif
from Abu 'Ammaar that he asked Jaabir
icon--3.gif
"Is hyena considered as game?" He said, "Yes." He asked, "Can I eat it?" He said, "Yes." He asked, "Have you heard this from Allah's Messenger
icon--1.gif
?" He said, "Yes." [Ahmad, At-Tirmithi] Another narration added: "If one hunts hyena in the state of Ihram he has to slaughter a ram." [Abu Daawood and Ibn Maajah]


http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=88523
That's Alshaab propaganda, it prevented the locals from eating livestock and sold it to Saudi
 

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Johnson

Nothing wrong with societies who consume dog meat as a cultural cuisine and even them, they might find weird people who eat camels or beef. Once, I had a slow cooked and marinated with different spices of a dog meat dish in the Philippines, it was one of the best meat dishes I ever ate. I might try again.

:susp:
 
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