Informative thread on the Ogaden War, and its basis

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28 tweets on this with relevant sources mostly from cia declassified documents. Very good, fully accurate aswell I recommend everyone reads through it, its a good refresher but he kinda missed out on how they sweeped through the ogaden until the Harar area.

 

[abdi_]

Barre was not exagerating when he was talking about the advanced weapons Ethiopans were being supplied with by USSR-Cuba, after all.

Bookmarked/Archived, will come back to this, thanks.

 

[Killamenace78]

Barre was not exagerating when he was talking about the advanced weapons Ethiopans were being supplied with by USSR-Cuba, after all.

Bookmarked/Archived, will come back to this, thanks.

yeah they they them around 7 billion worth of military equipment between 1977 and 1978.

 

[Aseer]

I read the thread and its actually crazy how much the soviets and cubans bailed them out the ethiopians were truly saved by the soviets/cuba alone if they didnt come we would have been marching into addis.

 

[Riftvalley]

I read the thread and its actually crazy how much the soviets and cubans bailed them out the ethiopians were truly saved by the soviets/cuba alone if they didnt come we would have been marching into addis.

It also against the claims of Siad being driven by emotions when going to the war. His early policy of arming Somalis in the region and even trying to get them to launch the initial assault goes against such a view.

another interesting point-the wslf regained 80 percent of the countryside within a year. It shows Somali galbeed people could have freed themselves if there was a stronger and more united movement. In fact it could have happened in the early 90s.

CIA report also says Somali could have put Kenya in a qabri as well. Wallahi if weren’t so incompetent and resource ridden Horn of Africa/yemen could have been our playground.

Last point-Netanyahu boys are heavily invested (behind the scenes) in maintaining kiftopiya and balkanising somaliya.

 

[Idilinaa]

What an informative thread. The one thing that stood out to me the most was how much of the support for Ethiopia, by Isreal, Cuba and Soviet had to do with religious ideology and aligning with them simply because they were Christian. Soviet-Cuba you had the involvement of the Vatican order

And with Isreal:
“𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘰𝘯𝘥 𝘣𝘦𝘵𝘸𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘌𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘰𝘱𝘪𝘢'𝘴 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘯 𝘳𝘶𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘐𝘴𝘳𝘢𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘴 𝘣𝘢𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘰𝘯 𝘧𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘰𝘧 𝘔𝘶𝘴𝘭𝘪𝘮 𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘳𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘳𝘦𝘮𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘴 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘢𝘤𝘵.”

Wish we had internal Somali intelligence documents from NSS to get the Somali perspective on how things played.

It also against the claims of Siad being driven by emotions when going to the war. His early policy of arming Somalis in the region and even trying to get them to launch the initial assault goes against such a view.

He actually attempted to negotiate with Ethiopia: It goes against this whole notion that he was some suicidal war monger

Siad Barre opts to negotiate on the Western Somali region ( Ogaden ) In the early years of the military government, Siad wanted to focus on the domestic affairs of the nation, upon the Derg revolution in 1974 Siad Barre wanted to open negotiations on the western Somali region however Marxist Ethiopia was in no mood to negotiate on the table. CIA DECLASSIFIED:
“𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘌𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘰𝘱𝘪𝘢𝘯 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘱 𝘪𝘯 1974 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘢𝘵 𝘧𝘪𝘳𝘴𝘵 𝘸𝘦𝘭𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘥 𝘣𝘺 𝘚𝘪𝘢𝘥 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘧𝘦𝘭𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘯𝘦𝘸-𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘦𝘦𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘭𝘺 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦-𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘥-𝘳𝘦𝘨𝘪𝘮𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘣𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘥 𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘬𝘴 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘖𝘨𝘢𝘥𝘦𝘯. 𝘏𝘪𝘴 𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘩𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘢𝘴𝘮 𝘲𝘶𝘪𝘤𝘬𝘭𝘺 𝘥𝘢𝘮𝘱𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘥, 𝘩𝘰𝘸𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳, 𝘢𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘤 𝘣𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘌𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘰𝘱𝘪𝘢𝘯 𝘳𝘦𝘨𝘪𝘮𝘦 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘮𝘦 𝘦𝘷𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘵”

The Ogaden war was a last resort measure , he was not keen on going to war with Ethiopia but they left him with no choice.

He like you said was trying to support the WSLF in the beginning and supply them with the means and have them liberate themselves, without Somalia's direct involvement.

 

[Zak12]

I'd like to bring this thread back again but @Idilinaa do you think its possible that the Unitef States and Saudi Arabia paid and supported Barre to invade Ethiopia in the first place? America defintely didn't want the Red Sea to be in complete Soviet control and Barre was quick in taking American support after the war as well.

 

[Idilinaa]

I'd like to bring this thread back again but @Idilinaa do you think its possible that the Unitef States and Saudi Arabia paid and supported Barre to invade Ethiopia in the first place? America defintely didn't want the Red Sea to be in complete Soviet control and Barre was quick in taking American support after the war as well.

Somalia was not aligned with the United States when they invaded Ethiopia. They also didn't get any military support from them during the war.

So No.

 

[Ashraf]

Somalia was not aligned with the United States when they invaded Ethiopia. They also didn't get any military support from them during the war.

So No.

They weren’t aligned during the onset of the invasion but then switched due to the soviets not supporting their invasion. America gave significant defensive aid, but didn’t aid our invasion since at the time it looked as though we were breaking international law and they would’ve struggled to get more support for advanced aid through congress. The carter administrations foreign policy, was drastically different than other American presidents during the Cold War such as Richard Nixon who would’ve most likely gave us the support we needed.

 

[Sa_Male]

I'd like to bring this thread back again but @Idilinaa do you think its possible that the Unitef States and Saudi Arabia paid and supported Barre to invade Ethiopia in the first place? America defintely didn't want the Red Sea to be in complete Soviet control and Barre was quick in taking American support after the war as well.

Saudis were American puppets so whatever America wanted saudi supported it but the Saudis I'm assuming had some leeway with the Americans.

My neighbour was a diplomat who used to work in the saudi government during the ogaden war, he said that the Saudis were trying to push siyad to adopt more salafi like policies early on but he refused and they soon gave up on him.

According to him saudi tried developing closer ties with Somalia but Barre was uncompromising and obviously he was executing scholars.

I wonder if saudi support for Barre would've changed anything, even slightly,

 

[Khaemwaset]

They weren’t aligned during the onset of the invasion but then switched due to the soviets not supporting their invasion. America gave significant defensive aid, but didn’t aid our invasion since at the time it looked as though we were breaking international law and they would’ve struggled to get more support for advanced aid through congress. The carter administrations foreign policy, was drastically different than other American presidents during the Cold War such as Richard Nixon who would’ve most likely gave us the support we needed.

This was during carter? He was always seen as a docile old man.

If we had done the war in the Reagan administration he'd have dumped billions.

 

[Idilinaa]

They weren’t aligned during the onset of the invasion but then switched due to the soviets not supporting their invasion. America gave significant defensive aid, but didn’t aid our invasion since at the time it looked as though we were breaking international law and they would’ve struggled to get more support for advanced aid through congress. The carter administrations foreign policy, was drastically different than other American presidents during the Cold War such as Richard Nixon who would’ve most likely gave us the support we needed.

Yeah i know. But his question was about whether United States was behind our liberation attempt of Ogaden, that's not the case.