Interesting paper comparing PL and SL's systems

[GBTarmy]

I always knew going into Mogadishu crippled Puntland, not only did all the revenue from Puntland go to Mogadishu but we also became very vulnerable which is when most of our problems started. Excellent thread.

@AarLibaax is one mad marexan

 

[Yonis]

@AarLibaax

I never said that Xamar is to blame for any of Puntland's problems. Xamar has done nothing to Puntland since the fall of MSB other than interfere every once in a while in how Puntland builds foreign relations. All of Puntland's problems have been caused by ourselves.
No, the problem is that our politicians are not focused on actually building a viable democratic state because they view Puntland as a stepping stone to higher office. What I am arguing for is for Puntland to withdraw from political struggles in Xamar and instead focus entirely on Puntland. That is the lesson that is to be drawn from this paper. Focusing on your own region yields more political development than trying to recreate a Somali state. Puntland would be better off today if A/Y had stayed in Puntland in 2004.


The problem is that you are not intelligent enough to comprehend what I am putting forth. You do not have the necessary critical thinking skills with which to hold a discussion with someone like me. So, you resort to this:

and this:



It would be sad, were it not so very funny.

@Thegoodshepherd I agree with most of what you're saying, but i disagree in Abdullahi Yusuf leaving Mogadishu alone in 2004, he needed to become president, when he did, he created the transitional federal government which was the first internationally recognised government in Somalia since Siad Barre. Without Abdullahi Yusuf's role in Xamar after he left Puntland, Somaliland would probably be an independant country recognised by now.

Abdullahi Yusuf's role in xamar lead to blocking of african union recognition to Somaliland whether or not it was direct or indirect. The reason SL are in a corner today begging the world to recognise them and nobody is doing is because of MJ involvement in xamar.

Our presence in Xamar is crucial, its the most important chess piece to (politically) control SL and the country at large. Our ancestors Boqor Cisman and Sultan Kenaadiid knew this well.

At the same time i agree, this should not come at the cost of building viable political institutions within Puntland. PLs self interest should be a priority

 

[AarLibaax]

all the revenue from Puntland go to Mogadishu

What revenue?

PL never provided port income, taxation, or any form of revenue to the Federal Gov, stop lying m8

All these FMS's are nothing but glorified leeches

 

[Creed]

I don't think you understood what I am talking about. What I am saying is that the political leaders of Puntland should not have spent all the time and energy they had after 1998 on trying to win seats in Mogadishu. The striving for position in Mogadishu is futile because it slows down political development at home. Puntland's political elite should have stayed home and minded their own business. Puntland ignored its own interest and forgot to build institutions and democratize, things it should have accomplished in the first decade, it instead became involved in a conflict that is still going on today.

Why didnt Gaas even try to build democratic institutions when he realized that he would not get elected in Xamar? Just face it politicians in PL are not interested in building these institutions.

 

[Creed]

I always knew going into Mogadishu crippled Puntland, not only did all the revenue from Puntland go to Mogadishu but we also became very vulnerable which is when most of our problems started. Excellent thread.

@AarLibaax is one mad marexan

PL cant afford to pay their army and you think they are sending revenue to Mogadishu?

 

[World]

If Puntland stops vying for influence in Mogadishu, then what is stopping the FGS from dismantling federalism?

 

[Theyuusuf]

Puntland is copy paste of Somaliland.

 

[Yonis]

Puntland is copy paste of Somaliland.

Puntland is the continuation of the Majeerteen Sultanate, that lasted for more than 2 centuries.

iiidoor 'somaliland' project is nothing more than glorified 3 dusty regions, sitting on infrastructure that was built by the Daarood man, like the port and airport of berbera.

Why would Puntland who has the benefit of controlling politics in Mogadishu want to embarrass ourselves by copying a failed secessionist project?

 

[Theyuusuf]

No hard feelings but that's the reality puntland tries what ever we do socially and politically. We are your role model.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

@Thegoodshepherd some of these niggas waa iska neef daqaya walle

If Puntland stops vying for influence in Mogadishu, then what is stopping the FGS from dismantling federalism?

No doubt it, they would have dismantled it long time ago.

 

[Twwin]

The best think would be if Puntland and Somaliand were there own country. The south including jubbaland and galmudug under one adminstration were its own country aswell.

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[waraabe]

The best think would be if Puntland and Somaliand were there own country. The south including jubbaland and galmudug under one adminstration were its own country aswell.

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Why should somalilanders unite with puntland, what do you offer Somaliland?

 

[waraabe]

Puntland state is a simple copy attempt of Somaliland. It’s all falling apart now that’s to terrorist groups in the state,mass corruption, no economic development, worsening security

 

[Abdalla]

Focussing on Puntland would make sense if the Hawiye leaders would also only focus on Xamar. If we isolated ourselves, Puntland would cease to exist instead of federalism being the law of the land.

The solution to this standoff is to have a capable team instead of the current one man show wherein the president has to deal with internal and external issues. What do you expect if you appoint Ahmed Karaash as the minister of interior? Will that guy institutionalise Puntland? Having illiterate odayaal at key ministeries wont bring internal cohesion.

Our presidents are capable, our ministers are not.

 

[Yonis]

Focussing on Puntland would make sense if the Hawiye leaders would also only focus on Xamar. If we isolated ourselves, Puntland would cease to exist instead of federalism being the law of the land.

The solution to this standoff is to have a capable team instead of the current one man show wherein the president has to deal with internal and external issues. What do you expect if you appoint Ahmed Karaash as the minister of interior? Will that guy institutionalise Puntland? Having illiterate odayaal at key ministeries wont bring internal cohesion.

Our presidents are capable, our ministers are not.

Karaash is just there to win dhulbahante points, he's basically useless, allowing these illeterates in majeertenya was big mistake

 

[Farm]

Lol these Gedo people jump on all PL threads like lost dogs. Why don’t they develop Gedo? It’s sad how an entire gobol has only one school and illiterate Farmaajo hasn’t commented on your women being raped every week by the KDF instead he’s appeasing hawiye... Very sad state of affairs for reer Gedo.

 

[nine]

Lol these Gedo people jump on all PL threads like lost dogs. Why don’t they develop Gedo? It’s sad how an entire gobol has only one school and illiterate Farmaajo hasn’t commented on your women being raped every week by the KDF instead he’s appeasing hawiye... Very sad state of affairs for reer Gedo.

Oops @waraabe seems like you logged into the wrong account

 

[Twwin]

Why should somalilanders unite with puntland, what do you offer Somaliland?

Where did i say they should unite?

 

[garad gacmadheere]

Lol these Gedo people jump on all PL threads like lost dogs. Why don’t they develop Gedo? It’s sad how an entire gobol has only one school and illiterate Farmaajo hasn’t commented on your women being raped every week by the KDF instead he’s appeasing hawiye... Very sad state of affairs for reer Gedo.

shots fired, man down.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

I noticed the nationalists on this site come from langaab qabil. Coincidence? I doubt it