Iq in Africa and the case for working around it

[Idilinaa]

There needs to be a separation between the low IQ and the high IQ at an early age via standardized testing, something akin to the JEE in India. Then the few resources the state has are disproportionally invested into those kids.
Somalia's pastoralist culture is a curse since it's too egalitarian, all societies need to have a hierarchy with an aristocratic class.

The most pastoralist driven areas of historical Somalia actually had a monarchy and artistocratic class structure Bari-Nugaal for example and later Hobyo in the late 1800s. It was also the most stable area of Somalia , that had state structure that survived until the 20th century when the Southern and Northwestern one fragmented from disruption of trade routes( oromo invasion) at turn of the late 1600s.

CLASS FORMATION AND GENDER IN PRECOLONIAL SOMALI SOCIETY: A RESEARCH AGENDA

CLASS FORMATION AND GENDER IN PRECOLONIAL SOMALI SOCIETY: A RESEARCH AGENDA on JSTOR

Lidwien Kapteijns, Jay Spaulding, CLASS FORMATION AND GENDER IN PRECOLONIAL SOMALI SOCIETY: A RESEARCH AGENDA, Northeast African Studies, Vol. 11, No. 1 (1989), pp. 19-38

www.jstor.org

But yeah as you can see pastoralism is no different from subsistence farming, its just mode of food production.

When someone takes control of the surplus mode of production and redistributes it, creates a tax base from it to support a central authority, that is where centralized states start to emerge from it.

Then out of that non-agricultural work force comes a class separation between producers and non-producers.

I have to do some research on how Arabs got rid of their tribal system their model of monarchy and Islamic law is perfect for Somalia.

That's the thing they didn't. Places were the pouplation was majority tribal arabs are yemen oman, libya, Saudi, and the khallej. All of those places are either unstable or the tribes have been bought off by oil money.

Most of those regions including Somalia has a long history of stable imperial rule. So its completely false to believe that just because they are divided into lineage based clans/tribes that they somehow are per-disposed to fracture and divide into antagonistic groups.

Here is quote from a book that study political history of the region on the eve of colonialism:

''but also with the recent historians' revision of the relevance of the concept of historically stable , purely lineage based tribes in Arabian Peninsula. As we saw in Majerteenia, tribalism and lineage-based identification became a problematic source of conflict not because lineage societies are inherently disposed to fracture and divide into mutually antagonistic groups; on the contrary , these regions have long history of stable imperial rule bolstered by a cooperative climate of international relations.''

It also supports what i've been stressing and arguing on this site that, the current political predicaments of middle east and Somalia is geo-political in nature and somewhat loosely connected to a colonial past.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

How many birthplace of civilisation now have low iqs due to their poor economy? While high iq nations were originally backward.

Not a single rich country has low IQ rates.
Not a single Poor state has high IQ.

Naturally you would come to the conclusion that to raise the iq you must have a wealthy state that can fund widespread education. Healthy food also helps in developing the brain. As well as literacy and reading non-fiction books.

It's very ironic the people who mention Iq the most can't connect the most obvious dots together

They also forget the phrase that’s constantly hammered in ever single statistic class from elementary school to university.

“correlation does not imply causation”

 

[Midas]

The most pastoralist driven areas of historical Somalia actually had a monarchy and artistocratic class structure Bari-Nugaal for example and later Hobyo in the late 1800s. It was also the most stable area of Somalia , that had state structure that survived until the 20th century when the Southern and Northwestern one fragmented from disruption of trade routes( oromo invasion) at turn of the late 1600s.

CLASS FORMATION AND GENDER IN PRECOLONIAL SOMALI SOCIETY: A RESEARCH AGENDA

CLASS FORMATION AND GENDER IN PRECOLONIAL SOMALI SOCIETY: A RESEARCH AGENDA on JSTOR

Lidwien Kapteijns, Jay Spaulding, CLASS FORMATION AND GENDER IN PRECOLONIAL SOMALI SOCIETY: A RESEARCH AGENDA, Northeast African Studies, Vol. 11, No. 1 (1989), pp. 19-38

www.jstor.org

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But yeah as you can see pastoralism is no different from subsistence farming, its just mode of food production.

When someone takes control of the surplus mode of production and redistributes it, creates a tax base from it to support a central authority, that is where centralized states start to emerge from it.

Then out of that non-agricultural work force comes a class separation between producers and non-producers.
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Most of those regions including Somalia has a long history of stable imperial rule. So its completely false to believe that just because they are divided into lineage based clans/tribes that they somehow are per-disposed to fracture and divide into antagonistic groups.

Here is quote from a book that study political history of the region on the eve of colonialism:

''but also with the recent historians' revision of the relevance of the concept of historically stable , purely lineage based tribes in Arabian Peninsula. As we saw in Majerteenia, tribalism and lineage-based identification became a problematic source of conflict not because lineage societies are inherently disposed to fracture and divide into mutually antagonistic groups; on the contrary , these regions have long history of stable imperial rule bolstered by a cooperative climate of international relations.''

It also supports what i've been stressing and arguing on this site that, the current political predicaments of middle east and Somalia is geo-political in nature and somewhat loosely connected to a colonial past.

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It's probaly somewhere in between. But it's undeniable that somali societiey is extermely egalitarian. There's a certain level of defrence and resect you see people in the middle east and other parts of the Muslim world show to people of a higher status in their country or who have more money. That is inconceivable in somalia. Take for example our neighbors yemen. Yemen is an extremely heirachical society where people are ina certain social class and there's no real changing that

 

[AbrahamFreedom]

Somalis need colonization. We need to speak of the benefits of it instead of the always constant oohin of what some miscreants faced.

 

[Idilinaa]

It's probaly somewhere in between. But it's undeniable that somali societiey is extermely egalitarian. There's a certain level of defrence and resect you see people in the middle east and other parts of the Muslim world show to people of a higher status in their country or who have more money. That is inconceivable in somalia. Take for example our neighbors yemen. Yemen is an extremely heirachical society where people are ina certain social class and there's no real changing that

It's similar for Somalia the class separation between bedouins,farmers and the merchants/townsmen is one partly based on wealth. Same thing between a pastoralist and farmer is also seperation based on wealth.

I wouldn't characterize Somali society as necessarily egalitarian. It's both heterarchical and hierarchical.

Aside from Majerteen coast, you also start to see this hierarchization in the North West during the medieval period which was probably maintained by economic structure that was distrupted by Oromo invasion.

 

[Midas]

It's similar for Somalia the class separation between bedouins,farmers and the merchants/townsmen is one partly based on wealth. Same thing between a pastoralist and farmer is also seperation based on wealth.

I wouldn't characterize Somali society as necessarily egalitarian. It's both heterarchical and hierarchical.

I mean isn't heterchrial by definition the opposite of hierarchical since the power is distributed.

But to your point on the wealth distinction. I agree that people with more wealth have a greater say in society and command more respect. But you don't get the sense that the wealthy are your betters. Even in western societies people act a certain way around the rich.

 

[Idilinaa]

Somalis need colonization. We need to speak of the benefits of it instead of the always constant oohin of what some miscreants faced.

Somalis were worse off during colonization than without it.

In 1953, Prime Minister Abdullahi Isse of the UN Trusteeship of Somalia formally complained to the United Nations, highlighting the worsening conditions faced by Somalis.

Abdullahi Isse writes the following:

“𝘋𝘦𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘵𝘦 60 𝘺𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦𝘪𝘨𝘯 𝘳𝘶𝘭𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘤𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘻𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘥𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘢𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘢𝘨𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘦𝘮𝘪-𝘯𝘰𝘮𝘢𝘥𝘪𝘤 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘺 𝘰𝘧 𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨.”

''The social conditions of Somaliland's sedentary people both in rural villages and the urban centers is likewise extremely poor''

“𝘕𝘰 𝘢𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘮𝘱𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘮𝘢𝘥𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘷𝘪𝘥𝘦 𝘱𝘶𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘤 𝘥𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘨𝘦, 𝘸𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘳 𝘴𝘺𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘮, 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘦𝘦𝘵𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘦𝘦𝘵 𝘪𝘭𝘭𝘶𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯, 𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘵𝘺, 𝘦𝘵𝘤. 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘴𝘦 𝘲𝘶𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴. 𝘛𝘶𝘣𝘦𝘳𝘤𝘶𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘪𝘴, 𝘴𝘺𝘱𝘩𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘥𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘰𝘯 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦 𝘲𝘶𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦.” ''neither public latrines, nor streets except for some narrow dark footpaths.''

“𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘶𝘯𝘩𝘺𝘨𝘪𝘦𝘯𝘪𝘤 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘥𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘢𝘮𝘦, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘨𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘭 𝘮𝘢𝘭𝘯𝘶𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘷𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘵𝘳𝘺. 𝘐𝘯 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘳𝘵, 𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦'𝘴 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘢𝘳𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘴 𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘰𝘸𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘭𝘥.''

Only 1960-1990s successive Somali governments in the following decades improved things.

Not only that but the 1800s was when Somalis were reviving their economy and rebuilding their trade networks and pastoral/agricultural production. Somalia was virtually self-sufficient without their interference experiencing major surpluses and European colonialism either destroy much of it or disrupt it.

As Scott Reese describes it, after 1880 during colonial intrusion it went downhill