Iranian woman goes naked in protest against the regime
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Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 43:
Narrated 'Imran bin Husain: The Verse of muta was revealed in Allah's Book, so we performed it with Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Qur'an to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But the man (omar) just expressed what his own mind suggested
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3250:
Abu Nadra reported: While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the two types of Mut'as (muta of Hajj and muta of women), whereupon Jabir said: We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger pbuh Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them.
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3248:
Ibn Uraij reported: 'Ati' reported that jibir b. Abdullah came to perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of the Holy Prophet pbuh and during the time of Abi Bakr and 'Umar
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3249:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of (tales or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger pbuh and durnig the time of Abu Bakr until 'Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr b. Huraith.
Is he arguing about to alcohol?
When did Allah revealed verse in the quran where allah said mutah is halal
Can show me the verse in the quran which surah and chapter
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فَمَا استَمتَعتُم بِهِ مِنهُنَّ فَآتوهُنَّ أُجورَهُنَّ فَريضَةً ۚ وَلا جُناحَ عَلَيكُم فيما تَراضَيتُم بِهِ مِن بَعدِ الفَريضَةِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كانَ عَليمًا حَكيمًا
So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise. (4:24)
"Mujahid stated that,
﴿ فَمَا ٱسۡتَمۡتَعۡتُم بِهِۦ مِنۡہُنَّ فَـَٔاتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً۬ۚ ﴾
(So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due,) was revealed about the Mut'ah marriage. A Mut'ah marriage is a marriage that ends upon a predetermined date."
Tafsir Ibn Kathir 4:24
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not only that, there's thing called mutah. Practically it's like prostitution but he thinks it's halal. I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut and say Allah knows best
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Do you have problems reading? Do you know what “I don’t believe Mutah is halal” means? You don’t have to make up lies about me just because you can’t engage in a discussion, very childish.
Very interesting, I will have to ask the Shuyuukh about this
she's not mentally ill she's protesting against the mortality police
Alcohol is disgusting and so is Muta’h which is forbidden in Sunni Islam and someone saying it’s similar to Prostitution isn’t being disrespectful, it is a fact. They pay and can pay for an hour and leave after the deed is done.
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I know what you’re talking about but since we’re not being childish we can agree and be honest that the terms does mimic prostitution.
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Muta’ah is an old Arab tradition that wasn’t outlawed straight away but took time to outlaw as well, so obviously you’re going to get some who still thought it was allowed.
As for your Alcohol comment, you’re referencing a very old Hanafi view about if something has a tiny bit of alcohol and doesn’t make you drunk it’s okay to consume.
It’s better to go into detail with Laypeople who don’t read all sources. The thing is people’s understanding and what materials they read is limited and looking at Islam from a historical perspective isn’t common.
I mean iran is evil simply because these shias have killed countless Muslim in Syria and Iraq. But I never understood the idea of this womens right stuff? Like I'm pretty sure more engineers in iran are women than men. Plus if you look at those videos on YouTube of people walking around in the cities in iran you can see plenty of people with the hijab either hanging off their head or even compelelty off.
No they were not. Mutah is not marriage, it is prostitution. A marriage is not considered a valid marriage in Islam if there is a time limit. Mutah literally means pleasure. If anyone does Mutah it is prostitution. The women are prostitutes and the men are tricks.
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It’s not just the Sahaba, take for example Ibn Jurayj. He was born in 70AH in Mecca and was one of the greatest scholars of the time.
He was the most prominent student of Ata ibn Abi Rabah, who was the Mufti of Mecca that studied directly under sahaba like Ibn Abbas, Abu Hurairah, and Jabir ibn Abd Allah.
Ibn Jurayj believed in the permissibility of Mutah and contracted over 70 of these marriages. So it’s not just Ibn Abbas, but it’s Meccan school tradition that Mutah is halal.
And here is what he also narrated in Musannaf Abd Al-Razzaq(his student):
قال ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ: وَأَخْبَرَنِي مَنْ أُصَدِّقُ، أَنَّ عَلِيًّا قَالَ بِالْكُوفَةِ: لَوْلَا مَا سَبَقَ مِنْ رَأْيِ عُمَرَ بْنِ الْخَطَّابِ، أَوْ قَالَ: مِنْ رَأْيِ ابْنِ الْخَطَّابِ لأَمَرْتُ بِالْمُتْعَةِ،ثُمَّ مَا زَنَا إِلَّا شَقِيٌّ
Ibn Jurayj said: "And someone whom I trust informed me that Ali said in Kufa: 'If it were not for what had preceded from the opinion of Umar ibn al-Khattab, or he said: from the opinion of Ibn al-Khattab, I would have commanded Mut'ah, then only a wretched person would commit adultery.'"
So whilst in some eyes it may be prostitution, others may see it as a safeguard against zina.
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Scholars are human and they’re going to have different opinions. There isn’t even 100% certainty that Ali R.A said this since Ibn JurayJ said someone informed him.
World let’s be logical here. What is the difference between Mutah and Zina in terms of societal consequences?
1. Women who would feel used or are used.
2. Legalized prostitution since a woman can work as a sugar baby by having up to 6 partners in a year since her Idda would be around 3 months.
3. Kids being raised without a father from the get go
4. People sleeping with each other and leaving each other after the deed is done
You can literally engage in Mutah for a night. How is that marriage? What is marriage? How does the Quran describe marriage? How is it that the Quran describes the marriage between a man and woman as ‘mercy’ and one of compassion but a man sleep with a woman for an hour but leave her? In what way is that a husband?
At this point it’s not even just differences of opinions, you cannot even logically argue against Zina from a moral standpoint if you argue for Muta’h. Whats the difference between a one night stand and a man contracting it for an hour? Gods approval? Baring in mind that unless the woman is a virgin, she wouldn’t even need her father’s permission? So what’s the difference?
I’m not saying you are personally justifying it, I know you’re going via text, but it’s a can of worms that makes the sanctity of marriage from an Islamic perspective look ridiculous and a joke no matter how you spin it, If we were to argue that it has legitimate basis and I think that’s why posters are getting angry.
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I see a lot of Sunnis accusing Shia women of being wh0res and prostitutes because of Mutah, that’s what I’m personally against. It’s not just an attack on Shias, but on the Sahaba and Tabieen who held the view that it’s permissible.
As for the societal consequences of Mutah, then this is a legitimate criticism of the practice and the best way it should be condemned. I have nothing against what you’re saying here. Another worry about Mutah is the exploitation of women, you can see many older Somali men going back home to marry younger poorer girls just for fun. If Mutah was halal, I fear it would be even worse.
As a devils advocate, what about the societal consequences of making marriage extremely hard for young people? Where the norm is for them to get married in their late 20s or early 30s? Capitalism + modern Muslim culture has also created another problem. Combined with extreme gender segregation like in Gulf countries, which has led to rampant homosexuality in their societies.
I think in islam woman needs her father permission whether she virgin or not
Even gaalo woman when they remarried their father give her hand to the man she is marrying
I apologize if I understood your comment wrong
They’re bad minded and don’t understand how your tongue will take you hell. Also, they’re misogynists. This practice wasn’t continued by women, but by men since it doesn’t benefit women in the slightest so calling these women names for something you pointed out actual prominent scholars believed in during the 8th century is ridiculous.
Consequences aside, it’s also a huge indicator of how illogical arguments against Zina are if one was to permit Mut’ah. How can a Shia honestly talk about the immorality of the West? How can they even talk about the cons of a Western style relationship?
Example, can a Shia truly have any argument if he was to say an unmarried Western couple who’ve been together for 5 yrs with parental approval as in parents know about the couple and are happy for them are morally worse than a Shia man contracting a Mut’ah marriage with a woman who is hiding it from her family and since she’s not a virgin it’s technically ‘legal’ and she sleeps with him once and takes her ‘dowry’ and leaves after one night?
Out of the two, which relationship is more ethical?
How does that not ring alarm bells?
But my issue is, how does Mutah counteract that? It’s glorified Zina in a sense that it’s completely the same apart from as Shias would argue ‘God’s stamp’. Most young ladies who the men would want wouldn’t even be able to engage in it since:
No father would allow his daughter to be in Mut’ah marriage, hence what would happen is that only the very poor and the marginalized of women would mostly engage. Then there will be underclass of women who whilst technically what they’re doing is seen as ‘halal’ the same men will revile them since humans at their core know this is a lack of dignity. Why? Because even Shia sources believe that a virgin doing it is immoral as well. That alone highlights the hypocrisy here since men know this can be damaging to women
I’ve added a bit more on the last post but you might of missed it so I’ll add it here for you to see. This is how I view the idea of Mut’ah:
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