Ok that was a knowledge gap, I wasn't aware Moroccans were mostly Berber speaking until the modern era. I assumed they transitioned to Arabic/Darija around the same time as the other former Roman Christian territories. Must've been other pressures that drove Arabization at that point since they were a predominantly Muslim population by that point.
Is Arabic a colonizer tongue?
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Garaad Awal
Zubeyri aka Targaryen of the Awalid Kingdom.
Urbanization is the reason Berber languages which were majority spoken in the rural areas (except in Arab tribal areas) dwindles till today. Darija was also a lingua Franca of trade in the Maghreb.
The Darijas of North Africa are mostly of post-Hilalian origin. There are few dialects that predate the Hilali migrations like the basically extinct dialect of Fez and most of the Judeo-Arabic dialects of the Maghreb.
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Your exactly right the world is that way and the victor desides what morality is. Most of these leftist have a losers Mentality where anyone who is powerful or rich is demonised instead passivity and poverty is a virtue.
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Somalis and arabic is only for religous purposes and trade.
This isn’t our topic the op is from south sudan which explains why she has a lot of cuqdad towards arabic speakers. Not our fight
This isn’t our topic the op is from south sudan which explains why she has a lot of cuqdad towards arabic speakers. Not our fight
Gacmeey
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Colonisation is linked to modernity and cannot be transposed historically. It was unheard of in any civilisation whether it be Arab, Roman or any pre-1600 European civilisation. The premise of the question implies that arabs were colonisers which categorically false.
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It really doesn't matter now whether or not Arabic is indigenous; it's up to each Nation to choose a language (and therefore a civilization) with which to align with in political, economic and cultural terms.
South Sudan has to align with the Swahili speaking East African bloc whilst also preserving our Nilotic languages
South Sudan has to align with the Swahili speaking East African bloc whilst also preserving our Nilotic languages
lmao what? Somalis are indigenous to the south, its the Bantus and Bajunis who came later and adopted our language.
Borana were literally xooged by southern darood clans and pushed out. Only real example of Somali colonization I could think of.
He goes from thread to thread to vomitting spewel like this. Honestly some were assimilated but they weren't colonized. Bantus arrived in the 19th century were brought as laborers to work on Somali own farmland and Bajunis are just mostly descended from Garre but the swahili ones were pushed northwards by the orma in the 17th century and Reer Barawe are Hatimi/Bida and Tunni, neither of them are bantu or swahili in origin. The latter is just a confederation of different Somali clans.
Most of Borana/orma weren't really assimilated, they were just driven out, which was essentially a Somali reconquest of territory that was lost due to the Oromo migrations
Bantu, Galla and Somali Migrations in the Horn of Africa: A Reassessment of the Juba/Tana Area on JSTOR
E. R. Turton, Bantu, Galla and Somali Migrations in the Horn of Africa: A Reassessment of the Juba/Tana Area, The Journal of African History, Vol. 16, No. 4 (1975), pp. 519-537
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Also saying Arabic is a colonizer language in Africa is the equivalent of saying Latin and their offshoot romance languages is a colonizer language in Europe.
Arabic is a language that spread through trade. religion and civilization building. It's something that even served as a lingua franca to connect and build communication bridges between communities that spoke separate languages.
Arabic is a language that spread through trade. religion and civilization building. It's something that even served as a lingua franca to connect and build communication bridges between communities that spoke separate languages.
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Is this nigga serious?
It's a coloniser tongue for those that were colonised by Arabs. We were not colonised by Arabs, and Somalis of Arab descent, are not powerful in Somalia. Arguably they are even marginalised on certain levels.
I hope Somalis learn their history before running around with victim narratives.
I hope Somalis learn their history before running around with victim narratives.
I hate seeing Somalis act and speak as if we are Zanj people, that have in fact been enslaved, colonised by Arabs. They have real grievances with the Arab world.
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The anti-Islam brigade finding another switch to rattle to malign only to assail the weaklings amongst the feckless Muslims. Very popular line of argument amongst neocolonialist Africans many of whom are Anglophiles of all things Anglican emanating from the monastery. If you ask them why English is their preferred tongue, they would morph into contortionist geriatrics attempting final heat somersaults. Their ultimate goal: Firstly seed doubt, then question, till stripped to their bare, then equate them to the worse, marginalise, and finally toss them to aside as if pricked sheath in pervious perforation.
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I think it needs pointing out that South Sudanese kept the Turks from expanding further South for almost half a century; and defeated and expelled the "Arab" 'Mahdist' forces in the 1800s.
South Sudanese also defeated and expelled the British from the South during this period, before the British returned in 1899; and when the British did re-establish themselves, we fought them for 30 years after the rest of Sudan had been pacified
We do have problems with the "Arabs" of Sudan, however, this doesn't extend to the Arabs of the Gulf and the Levant
South Sudanese also defeated and expelled the British from the South during this period, before the British returned in 1899; and when the British did re-establish themselves, we fought them for 30 years after the rest of Sudan had been pacified
We do have problems with the "Arabs" of Sudan, however, this doesn't extend to the Arabs of the Gulf and the Levant
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Somalis who do that are usually uneducated about their history we don’t have historical grievances with the Arab world our historical interaction is trade and religious based this is why I cringe when I see Somali SJWs hyperfixate on arabs
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All language is a combination of other languages they came in contact with through history, whilst Arabic is most definitely a coloniser language to some communities, it also organically transferred via religion and trade. whilst French for example was almost entirely transferred via supression of the culture of others. So it's a nuanced question with varying answers
also, that "Sigahh" acount on twitter shouldn't be posted here, a large bulk of her rhetoric isnt the healthiest about those of "cushtic" origin or any islamic followers
also, that "Sigahh" acount on twitter shouldn't be posted here, a large bulk of her rhetoric isnt the healthiest about those of "cushtic" origin or any islamic followers
That OP is very anti-Arab and doesn’t like them at all. She was enraged by the fact that people were sympathizing with the residents of Al-Gezira in Sudan, who are being wiped out by the RSF. Imagine the amount of hate she must have for Arabs to get upset over people calling out the RSF for killing civilians who happened to be Arab.
