Is Currency Exchange Haram Also?

[DR OSMAN]

@PhySom You seem a bit more intelligent then the average basket cases in here. They don't have an inquisitive mind and are very black n white and do not realize the world is 'gray' area that has many factors n variables that need consideration, the black n white thinking ignores the variables n factors and therefore you get these dumb pricks into positions of power.

 

[PhySom]

@PhySom You seem a bit more intelligent then the average basket cases in here. They don't have an inquisitive mind and are very black n white and do not realize the world is 'gray' area that has many factors n variables that need consideration, the black n white thinking ignores the variables n factors and therefore you get these dumb pricks into positions of power.

Brother , i believe i am in the top 1% of somalis "intelligence" wise. I have met the average somalis and they are mentally retarded. Like monkeys they talk about three things :

1.Sex/Marriage
2.Clan
3.Islamic Fundamentalism.

Just look at our famous stars they are all either mentally disturbed (dabascar) , clan warlords (aydiid , dhuuso bixi ) or "Wadaads" (no explanation needed).

 

[XaawoLuul]

What a hideous trash bag kkkkkk

Your type of people can't understand the complexity of a global economy. You think binary , intelligent people understand that most systems are gray.

If you "don't live for dunya" why don't you let us manage how we can run a nation to help our future children. Islamic fundamentalism is the status quo in a large portion of the world and they all combined produce less scientific research then France.

What?
You telling me most Muslims around the world are following the deen as it is yeah? What a liar. That is *precisely* the problem- Muslims collectively couldnt have been further away from Islam and most ‘muslim’ countries *do* engage in ribah whether they call it that or other fancy names.

 

[XaawoLuul]

Brother , i believe i am in the top 1% of somalis "intelligence" wise. I have met the average somalis and they are mentally retarded. Like monkeys they talk about three things :

1.Sex/Marriage
2.Clan
3.Islamic Fundamentalism.

Just look at our famous stars they are all either mentally disturbed (dabascar) , clan warlords (aydiid , dhuuso bixi ) or "Wadaads" (no explanation needed).

For a grown man bragging like this Im surprised you’ve falled prey to orientalist ideology.
A simpleton like you sees how capitalism and gaal ideology is proving successful in secular lands today (which obvs is no coincidence) so to you it *must* be the way and everything else is backward, forgetting that islamc empires thrived in the past under the islamic economic model.

You remind me of muslims who when communism was its peak and successful they started calling on muslims to essentially get with communism.
A victim to the gaal tide you are. Make taubah bcos islam isnt just a spiritual religion we tuck away after the 5 salah-it’s a social system, an economic one and every other system you can think of.

 

[DR OSMAN]

What?
You telling me most Muslims around the world are following the deen as it is yeah? What a liar. That is *precisely* the problem- Muslims collectively couldnt have been further away from Islam and most ‘muslim’ countries *do* engage in ribah whether they call it that or other fancy names.

Are u to thick to understand what @PhySom said? even you perform RIBA, the cash your carrying came from a bank and the govt set ribah on it before he sent that money to the bank which is now in your hands and wallet. You can't survive today without ribah. Even all those charities in Somalia got they're money from countries dealing ribah. Saudi arabia sells it's oil to countries who pay them with ribah money.

The arabs then buy your livestock with the same ribah. If you refuse ribah u will still have to 'carry' money right. If you don't want to do ribah, u need to stop using MONEY, it's simple as that. Then your free of RIBAH, but if your using any sort of currency, your in ribah.

 

[Reer-Bari]

Yeah bro, these islamic fundamentalist are making us poorer, that's why they say 'religion' makes society backward, they don't want to accept the world they live in has changed since they believe the religion cannot change. So now what do we have bro? we live from sadaqa from western countries, we can't even fund our own govt, we can't employ our own people, our research sector is dead.

Why u think Japan is richer then all islamic countries combined? it's because they 'planned' they're economy thru ribah they made money from money itself which is fundamental problem in Islam, where they teach money has no intrinsic value, if that's the case I won't ever see these muslims give me $100 for my $100 shillings, they are full of lies u see.

They know deep down money has value and what gives it value is 'interest' or else that money will never grow and catch up with market prices. The money will die and not be able to purchase anything. That's why strict controls are in place to ensure interest is applied to each financial year and this means either 'supplying' more money to banks and they won't supply more money if there is no guaranteed economic activity happening in that year.

They list down all the 'business activity' that will occur and then work out last year economic activity and apply formulas on how much supply of cash needs to be provided to each bank. Interests are SET by government. The banks then compete on applying the interest and adding they're profit margin, remember they survive on the 'profit margin' the interest is already decided by GOVT.

Stagfurulah. I can’t believe this guy is promoting this bullshit. Your openly promoting 1 of the major sins in islam and disrespecting the people who protect our people from it. The uae Qatar and Saudi got rich from natural resources not ribbah. You need to take this shit somewhere else. Are you arguing with us or the Quran. Are you one of those people who believe the Quran needs to be edited and changed to fit the modern world?

 

[Reer-Bari]

Are u to thick to understand what @PhySom said? even you perform RIBA, the cash your carrying came from a bank and the govt set ribah on it before he sent that money to the bank which is now in your hands and wallet. You can't survive today without ribah. Even all those charities in Somalia got they're money from countries dealing ribah. Saudi arabia sells it's oil to countries who pay them with ribah money.

The arabs then buy your livestock with the same ribah. If you refuse ribah u will still have to 'carry' money right. If you don't want to do ribah, u need to stop using MONEY, it's simple as that. Then your free of RIBAH, but if your using any sort of currency, your in ribah.

Nope your wrong. It’s not haram too except money that has been passed throug riba as long as you personally are not using the money for riba. If someone else previously used the money for riba and it ends up in your wallet in a halal way than your not responsible. So stop trying to sugarcoat shit.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Nope your wrong. It’s not haram too except money that has been passed throug riba as long as you personally are not using the money for riba. If someone else previously used the money for riba and it ends up in your wallet in a halal way than your not responsible. So stop trying to sugarcoat shit.

That's wrong understanding. In Islam even if you 'eat ribah' in terms of working for a company that started as ribah which 99% of companies in the west started with bank loans that had ribah, all that salaries somalis earn as workers came from ribah origins. The reason you can't escape ribah is because the govt controls the bank supply and apply interest way before the currency even circulates. It basically effects anyone using money be it workers, charities, ngos, taxpayers, business owners.

Go research the RIBA ruling, anyone found even taking a cent from ribah money is deemed haram. Your idea doesn' stack up. I am not saying I like ribah but this is the world economy and no-one can escape it, I want to save my people, awalba way cuni lahayeen. The second u refuse ribah u become poor in the world and then you still are forced to eat it thru SADAQO and NGO.

You are not allowed to take haram money, u dumb f*ck. If I made millions thru drug trade, wud u take my 'sadaqo' since the money reached you halal? you don't understsand ISLAM deeply you have your OWN VERSION. All Riba either the one doing it or the one using it is haram in ISLAM, so you shouldn't be carrying any currency waryaa since the currency itself started in RIBA. But your Ali Saleman you always side with hawiye, so if hawiye sold you darod looted property, you would buy it since it reached you halal? this nigga is on some next level shit.

I want to open up ribah because it's the reality of the world and save our people from eating sadaqo ribah and budget support and all this nonsense

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Reer-Bari

Those who eat Riba (usury) will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaitan (Satan) leading him to insanity. That is because they say: “Trading is only like Riba (usury),” whereas Allah has permitted trading and forbidden Riba (usury). So whosoever receives an admonition from his Lord and stops eating Riba (usury) shall not be punished for the past; his case is for Allah (to judge); but whoever returns [to Riba (usury)], such are the dwellers of the Fire – they will abide therein.

When you bring those NGO/CHARITIES/WESTERN GOVT FUNDING YOUR STATE GOVT TO PAY IT'S WAGE. WHEN U SELL YOUR LIVESTOCK TO SAUDI WHO PURCHASES IT WITH OIL HE SOLD TO RIBAH COUNTRIES. WHEN U EAT THAT RIBAH, HA COYIN.

Anigu Dembi uma arki RIBAH, this is the world and how it is, we cannot change it is all I am saying, why not accept it, denying it will just lead to 'sadaqo' ribah as u r isolated from world economy becuz your country has no banking engine to generate growth, u rely on foreign investors with american dollars, why u want they're ribah money to invest in your country? I hate caqli xumada dalka ka jira, maad iska gashid awalba wa cuni lahayde.

We need modern religious ruling who understand the economic climate today and there is no escaping RIBAH, do not tell us to accept PART ribah like sadaqo and charities and then tell us loaning ribah is haram. This is now being MUNAFAQIN

 

[DR OSMAN]

Nope your wrong. It’s not haram too except money that has been passed throug riba as long as you personally are not using the money for riba. If someone else previously used the money for riba and it ends up in your wallet in a halal way than your not responsible. So stop trying to sugarcoat shit.

Diin yarida ku hayso bal eeg. U said it if it reaches me halal it is not a problem? wax kasto haram ku bilowdo haday gacantada gasho waa haram, regardless how it has been given to you. This is the islamic understanding, somalis TWIST islam to suit your agenda.

The DOCTOR is coming to PL to plan our economy, step aside hawiye boy. I notice u ali saleban are not open to new thought, i hope u guys never lead us, leaders need NEW THOUGHT, that's the whole idea of GOVT, new IDEAS. U will make us regress and become like ALI SALEBAN. Osman Mahmoud will pioneer Somalia into a new age, the first challenge is to remove the ignorance they think they escape ribah as somali, waxayba moodan inaysan soo GAADHIN...that is IGNORANCE

 

[DR OSMAN]

I honestly believe PL govt should send a team to see how central banks and private banks cooperate. Central banks prints enough money by using 'interest' to decide how much to print to support it's economic activity for a year. He cannot supply too much and he cannot supply to less.

How is this ribah? is the islamic understanding markeedi hore ma saxsan yahay hala so huubiyo because interest rate waa 'sicirka' suuqa, it means business people price they're goods higher year by year following the interest rate set by government. Banks apply interest rate in loaning to ensure they're money also doesn't devalue and keeps value and is profitable over the loan period.

Anigu usury ama ribah the way it's understood and the economic model of the world are not the same at all. If you don't supply enough currency in your banks, how will people buy and sell in the market place haday lacagti meesha oolin? I honestly believe RIBA is something else, maybe it meant something different in the 7th century to what it means now. Controlling your currency is critical to ensure stability in the market place for trade to occur smoothly. Look at Somali shilling today, waa dhintay, why? ma jiro banki mamulayo lacagti lol so no-one trusts your money since it's not legal tender, it's not following standard economic models of interest rate to keep up with inflation prices, it's not following the economic model of ensuring your banks has only one supply point for it's currency through the government. No-one can trust your baboon economy, that's why Somalia is so fragile, mamul la'an meel laguma gaadho, they prefer living life with no sort of CONTROL.

 

[Sakiin]

Stagfurulah. I can’t believe this guy is promoting this bullshit. Your openly promoting 1 of the major sins in islam and disrespecting the people who protect our people from it. The uae Qatar and Saudi got rich from natural resources not ribbah. You need to take this shit somewhere else. Are you arguing with us or the Quran. Are you one of those people who believe the Quran needs to be edited and changed to fit the modern world?

Wallahi some of the stuff you read on this forum is crazy.

Dr Osman is right in saying that the world economy is based on Riba. However, for him to conclude that we should get in on the riba game is something no Muslim who believes in his religion would say.

I think he is one of those new modernists who want to chop and change what is haraam and what is halaal.

Brother , i believe i am in the top 1% of somalis "intelligence" wise. I have met the average somalis and they are mentally retarded. Like monkeys they talk about three things :

1.Sex/Marriage
2.Clan
3.Islamic Fundamentalism.

Just look at our famous stars they are all either mentally disturbed (dabascar) , clan warlords (aydiid , dhuuso bixi ) or "Wadaads" (no explanation needed).

Waxa la dheha

Nin is faanay waa rii is nuugtay

 

[Sakiin]

Well obviously when you compare the "shilling" to the "dollar" theres a significant difference due to the economies that back those different currencies. The US dollar is trusted only due to the dominance the US has had on the world and the shilling is weak due to the disastrous economy behind it. We use it only based on faith. This faith was substantially increased when the petrodollar was introduced. So whenever a nation calls to buy oil in gold US national security is at stake.

If hyperinflation occurs in a economy and the currency loses its value its worth as much as toilet paper. Inversely the amounts of gold in the world is limited and so are camels which means they have tangible value and rare qualities. These constitute real mediums of exchange. In many of your threads you conflate matters that have nothing to do with each other.

/end thread.

Brother you summed up things perfectly.

There are many variables as to why a certain country's currency is more valuable than others.

In the case of the USA the petrodollar is one of the greatest reasons for the dollar's power in the world. The end of the Petrodollar is the end of USA global power imo.

Btw love for my brothers in this thread who know that the real money is in gold. This paper money is one of the biggest scams in the modern global economy.

 

[Reer-Bari]

That's wrong understanding. In Islam even if you 'eat ribah' in terms of working for a company that started as ribah which 99% of companies in the west started with bank loans that had ribah, all that salaries somalis earn as workers came from ribah origins. The reason you can't escape ribah is because the govt controls the bank supply and apply interest way before the currency even circulates. It basically effects anyone using money be it workers, charities, ngos, taxpayers, business owners.

Go research the RIBA ruling, anyone found even taking a cent from ribah money is deemed haram. Your idea doesn' stack up. I am not saying I like ribah but this is the world economy and no-one can escape it, I want to save my people, awalba way cuni lahayeen. The second u refuse ribah u become poor in the world and then you still are forced to eat it thru SADAQO and NGO.

You are not allowed to take haram money, u dumb f*ck. If I made millions thru drug trade, wud u take my 'sadaqo' since the money reached you halal? you don't understsand ISLAM deeply you have your OWN VERSION. All Riba either the one doing it or the one using it is haram in ISLAM, so you shouldn't be carrying any currency waryaa since the currency itself started in RIBA. But your Ali Saleman you always side with hawiye, so if hawiye sold you darod looted property, you would buy it since it reached you halal? this nigga is on some next level shit.

I want to open up ribah because it's the reality of the world and save our people from eating sadaqo ribah and budget support and all this nonsense

Walahi your allowed to take haram money. If I made a million in drug money or interest in Islam it says either leave the money or donate it but you won’t get any good deeds from it

 

[Tukraq]

Both money and currency have value anything can have value if you value it, if everyone stops valuing gold guess what? It won’t have any value, same with livestock like cows, in India try eating it

 

[PhySom]

For a grown man bragging like this Im surprised you’ve falled prey to orientalist ideology.
A simpleton like you sees how capitalism and gaal ideology is proving successful in secular lands today (which obvs is no coincidence) so to you it *must* be the way and everything else is backward, forgetting that islamc empires thrived in the past under the islamic economic model.

You remind me of muslims who when communism was its peak and successful they started calling on muslims to essentially get with communism.
A victim to the gaal tide you are. Make taubah bcos islam isnt just a spiritual religion we tuck away after the 5 salah-it’s a social system, an economic one and every other system you can think of.

So i am a simpleton for analyzing world societies and finding that the most successfull societies are those that live in pluralistic secular ones.There is not one powerful nation , today, that is not based on secular principles.All religious kleptocracies have lead to stagnation in human development and thought.


Islamic golden age is a myth and there was no united islamic nation. The islamic golden age had constantly dealt with internal rife and seperation of its states. The Scientific progress by muslims were mainly inspite of islam rather then because of it.

Furthermore, going back 1000 years to find a time where an islamic nation was "great" exposes the limitation of the "Quran" . If its economic model was feasible for the 21st century then why are most rich islamic countries using interest? If its social model is good then why are the populace mainly uneducated and poor?

Islam is a system which was "ok" for early societies, we live in the 21st century where we don't need to not eat pig , wish imaginary demons away or pray for rain.

Finally, Somalia has always been a shit hole under islam. There was never a "golden somalia" age because of islam, we were the most advanced under a pseudo socialist system.

 

[Samaalic Era]

Riba is why poverty in most of the world is permanent