Islam is socialist

[bobsburger]

i stopped reading there. the two are not the same.

they are similar one is just more extreme

 

[bobsburger]

You can pay zakat in the form of she camels or property.

But in a communist society the government owns all the camels so u can't

 

[Lord]

Socialism and Communism is not the same thing. If you are interested Jesus was the biggets Socialist of his time and some even say the best. Implementing this system under sharia without Secularism is just impossible without creating unislamic loopholes.

Freedom of speech is the most important thing in any Society in this world.

 

[qalanjoqoordheer]

But in a communist society the government owns all the camels so u can't

Camels aren't money and if it is owned communal it wouldn't be private property.

 

[Omar del Sur]

What even is Communism?

Marxism basically stopped existing under Stalin.

Marxism was replaced with Marxism-Leninism.

Marxism-Leninism is actually not Marxist.

Stalin put together Marxism-Leninism after Lenin died.

Under Lenin, abortion and homoism were legalized and the abolition of the family was pushed.

This was a disaster. Stalin reversed these things. He did a bunch of stuff that went against Marxism.

Marxism-Leninism is not actually Marxist.

Then in a lot of third world countries, a lot of Marxist-Leninist revolutions were really more about an anti-colonial uprising than Marxist gibberish.

Unfortunately, Marxist-Leninists are more advanced than many Muslims in one specific point- the mls have a critique of imperialism and any real ml is inherently an anti-imperialist.

This is part of why Zionism and Israel were very anti-Soviet. Anti-imperialism is built into ml ideology.

MLism is really cool in that it teaches anti-imperialism as part of its core doctrine. However, it also promotes secularism, atheism and feminism.

So mlism as I see it is a mixed bag. Some of it is really good and some of it is really bad.

However- the aesthetics are wonderful. The old-school Communists had some seriously cool aesthetics.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I mean for example.... actual Marxism wants the elimination of patriotism.... yet Stalin and today Xi Jinping promote/promoted patriotism.... this illustrates how Stalin implemented a bunch of stuff that went against Marxism

 

[Angelina]

What even is Communism?

Marxism basically stopped existing under Stalin.

Marxism was replaced with Marxism-Leninism.

Marxism-Leninism is actually not Marxist.

Stalin put together Marxism-Leninism after Lenin died.

Under Lenin, abortion and homoism were legalized and the abolition of the family was pushed.

This was a disaster. Stalin reversed these things. He did a bunch of stuff that went against Marxism.

Marxism-Leninism is not actually Marxist.

Then in a lot of third world countries, a lot of Marxist-Leninist revolutions were really more about an anti-colonial uprising than Marxist gibberish.

Unfortunately, Marxist-Leninists are more advanced than many Muslims in one specific point- the mls have a critique of imperialism and any real ml is inherently an anti-imperialist.

This is part of why Zionism and Israel were very anti-Soviet. Anti-imperialism is built into ml ideology.

MLism is really cool in that it teaches anti-imperialism as part of its core doctrine. However, it also promotes secularism, atheism and feminism.

So mlism as I see it is a mixed bag. Some of it is really good and some of it is really bad.

However- the aesthetics are wonderful. The old-school Communists had some seriously cool aesthetics.

Marxist feminism is very different to liberal feminism as well.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Marxist feminism is very different to liberal feminism as well.

I believe you. I might be more sympathetic to a woman who wants to build "glorious socialist motherland" than..... whatever it is these modern day feminists are about

 

[Omar del Sur]

@qalanjoqoordheer why the qashin... what do you object to?

 

[Angelina]

I believe you. I might be more sympathetic to a woman who wants to build "glorious socialist motherland" than..... whatever it is these modern day feminists are about

The problem with any theory is that there are different versions. You have marxist and cultural feminists who abhor ography and the male sexual gaze ect and then you have lib feminists that celebrate onlyfans ect.

I'm very much a big supporter of female justice, but like marxism, feminism is a confusing ideology and sticking to Islam is better.

Maybe us women need to create something else that is less confusing.

 

[Omar del Sur]

The problem with any theory is that there are different versions. You have marxist and cultural feminists who abhor ography and the male sexual gaze ect and then you have lib feminists that celebrate onlyfans ect.

I'm very much a big supporter of female justice, but like marxism, feminism is a confusing ideology and sticking to Islam is better.

Maybe us women need to create something else that is less confusing.

I really recommend this book

she has original things to say, she has her own ideas, she develops her own viewpoint, she is very intelligent and intellectual and her ideas are in line with Islam.

 

[Geelraac]

Communism is more radical than that.
They don't support private property which is something we are allowed to have in islam.
Also commerce and trading would be hard under a communist system. Communism is a secular ideology and the majority of it's followers are atheists. Islam cannot be compared to modern societal and economic models because it surpasses them all.

 

[Angelina]

I really recommend this book

she has original things to say, she has her own ideas, she develops her own viewpoint, she is very intelligent and intellectual and her ideas are in line with Islam.

Thank you. I will try to get a hold of it.